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 Topic: Hi from on the fence muslim

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  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #570 - February 13, 2011, 03:12 PM

    @ muddy

    it seems to me that you are under the illusion that i'm making Dawah, here? No. I'm just interested in reading Ishina... I can't read her so far.

    You, muddy, on the other hand are obvious.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #571 - February 13, 2011, 03:14 PM

    Why did this god please to create unneeded things?

    Go back to the angels.


    because if He created nothing, He wouldn't be a creator.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #572 - February 13, 2011, 03:15 PM

    because if He created nothing, He wouldn't be a creator.

    Well "Nothing Creates Nothing" So he could be  "Nothing"

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
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  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #573 - February 13, 2011, 03:18 PM

    I already explained to you what i eally think. But then you offered your sincere point of view, which was based on certain premises (based on how you actually read the Quran). My answers were based on such premises, although my last answer (God does as He pleases) would have been the same regardless of the course our discussion took.


    Yeah, I must have missed it. Remind me breifly, why do you worship Allah?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #574 - February 13, 2011, 03:19 PM

    because if He created nothing, He wouldn't be a creator.


    Allah clearly created nothing. If he did he would know basic science of this Universe, but Quran clearly demonstrates that he does not even know basic stuff. Quran does not mention brain as center of thought and understanding, and follows the whole superstitions about heart. Is is oblivious about the universe in general and makes Earth a center of universe just by sheer number of times the insignificant Earth is mentioned with a very significant Heaven (likely Mohammed's version of the rest of the universe).

    For Quran the stars are only for adornment, but the sheer number of them disprove Quranic claim. How can they just be for adornment when we cannot see a majority of them.


    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #575 - February 13, 2011, 03:20 PM

    Quote
    Allah clearly created nothing. If he did he would know basic science of this Universe, but Quran clearly demonstrates that he does not even know basic stuff. Quran does not mention brain as center of thought and understanding, and follows the whole superstitions about heart. Is is oblivious about the universe in general and makes Earth a center of universe just by sheer number of times the insignificant Earth is mentioned with a very significant Heaven (likely Mohammed's version of the rest of the universe).

    For Quran the stars are only for adornment, but the sheer number of them disprove Quranic claim. How can they just be for adornment when we cannot see a majority of them.


    right, but that wasn't olweasel question.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #576 - February 13, 2011, 03:24 PM

     Cheesy you are trying to avoid most genuine points..

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  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #577 - February 13, 2011, 03:25 PM

    @ ishina

    Quote
    i thought you got tired of hearing it. I belive God is the creator of all existence, He owns my soul, and I own nothing. He demanded worship, so I'm giving god His due. It's like when I owe someone money, I must pay them back whether they needed it or not, whether I liked it or not.

     

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #578 - February 13, 2011, 03:25 PM

    I read somewhere that even if the Quranic God were to reveal Himself to you, you would still deny (or reject) Him. What did you really mean by that?

    Sorry for jumping in like that but the same applies to me as well. Reason being that submission to such god (an external factor, god as a judge ticking 'good' or 'naughty' boxes or god in the superego sense) is immoral.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #579 - February 13, 2011, 03:26 PM

    Cheesy you are trying to avoid most genuine points..


    that might be true, but what is certain is that i AM doing my best to avoid YOU.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #580 - February 13, 2011, 03:27 PM

    @ Ishina

    I read somewhere that even if the Quranic God were to reveal Himself to you, you would still deny (or reject) Him. What did you really mean by that?


    The god of Islam, according to the mythology, is an absolute monster and tyrant.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #581 - February 13, 2011, 03:27 PM

    Sorry for jumping in like that but the same applies to me as well. Reason being that submission to such god (an external factor, god as a judge ticking 'good' or 'naughty' boxes or god in the superego sense) is immoral.


    how is that immoral, and please try to forget about the browny points idea.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #582 - February 13, 2011, 03:29 PM

    The god of Islam, according to the mythology, is an absolute monster and tyrant.


    Ok, what if another God appeared to you and told you he created this misearable world, would you acknowledge him?

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #583 - February 13, 2011, 03:29 PM

    i thought you got tired of hearing it. I belive God is the creator of all existence, He owns my soul, and I own nothing. He demanded worship, so I'm giving god His due.


    Yeah, I get that you're doing what you are told. What I'm not getting is why.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #584 - February 13, 2011, 03:30 PM

    the why is that i believe i don't even own my soul, God does.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #585 - February 13, 2011, 03:31 PM

    Ok, what if another God appeared to you and he told you he created this misearable world, would you acknowledge him?


    What do you mean by acknowledge? Acknowledge the thing in front of my eyes or submit to it?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #586 - February 13, 2011, 03:31 PM

    the why is that i believe i don't even own my soul, God does.


    Why?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #587 - February 13, 2011, 03:32 PM

    double post

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #588 - February 13, 2011, 03:34 PM

    Quote
    What do you mean by acknowledge? Acknowledge the thing in front of my eyes or submit to it?


    acknowledge that the god who created all the suffering and injustices in the world is also your maker.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #589 - February 13, 2011, 03:35 PM

    Just what exactly is your soul?

    Does your Soul store any memories?

    NO! Because otherwise a person with damaged brain would not suffer amnesia.

    Does your Soul do any motor functions?

    NO! Because otherwise you would not lose motor functions from brain damage, and there would be no such thing as "Alien Hand Syndrome".

    Does your Soul possess any intelligence?

    NO! Otherwise down syndrome with its physical manifestation would be overridable just by Will.

    Does your Soul make you do good or bad, or live in fear or live fearlessly?

    NO! There are demonstrated parts of brain responsible for it!

    YET ! The claimant of the creation of this universe NEVER mentions brain in any of his scriptures.

    SO WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR SOUL GOOD FOR? IF EVEN BEING A HOMOSEXUAL MAKES YOUR BRAIN VERY DIFFERENT PHYSICALLY!

    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #590 - February 13, 2011, 03:35 PM

    how is that immoral, and please try to forget about the browny points idea.

    Theists do what they perceive as good deeds in order to fulfil God's will and to earn salvation; atheists do them simply because it is the right thing to do.
    Is this also not our most elementary experience of morality? When I do a good deed, I do so not with an eye toward gaining God's favour; I do it because if I did not, I could not look at myself in the mirror. A moral deed is by definition its own reward.

    The only way to show true respect for God (and hence be truly moral) is to act morally while ignoring god's existence.

    1. Doing good because of Jannah. Motivation: reward; this is immoral
    2. Doing good because of Jahannam. Motivation: fear; this is immoral too

    3. Doing good for the sake of it. Motivation: because it is the right thing to do; this is the only true moral stance

    I would also like to quote The tailor here - I completely agree with his views on this:

    At the level of morality, I DEFINITELY agree that to be truly "moral", we must ignore any form of God-as-superego -- any form of God as a judge that stands outside of reality, ticking boxes. The moment we imagine such a "father-figure" creator, we land ourselves in all kinds of trouble. To be truly moral is to understand that, ultimately, judgement is whatever your have chosen your life to be -- judgement IS your life as your free will has determined it, and morality is absolutely internal and constructed by you and you alone. To understand this is to be self-aware and entirely responsible for the choices we make: we never make them because we will get a "naughty tick" or a "nice tick" from an external observer.

    The Super-Ego is CERTAINLY a law (a shariah-of-selfhood). It is formed from the Oedipus Complex and thus derives from a primal fear of castration from a "Father" figure's authority. Approximately, it is a kind of internalized father-as-law. For a LOT of religious people, the Super-Ego IS exactly God: a pure judgement that presides over every action we make, and insists on his law. As you probably understand, a malformed super-ego can be very unhealthy -- creating such a God for ourselves that is pure fear of judgement ... is not a good thing and can lead to all kinds of mental pathology. Lacan is very useful at this point in terms of his understanding how a "healthy" negotiation of the Complex can be made ... but the model ceases to be precisely Freudian.

  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #591 - February 13, 2011, 03:37 PM

    acknowledge that the god who created all the suffering and injustices in the world is also your maker.


    If there somehow was undisputable proof this particular god created everything, I'd have to concede that it created me at the very least.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #592 - February 13, 2011, 03:38 PM

    because if He created nothing, He wouldn't be a creator.

    Wouldn't he have to have created himself and the universe, for starters?

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #593 - February 13, 2011, 03:41 PM

    Just what exactly is your soul?

    Does your Soul store any memories?

    NO! Because otherwise a person with damaged brain would not suffer amnesia.

    Does your Soul do any motor functions?

    NO! Because otherwise you would not lose motor functions from brain damage, and there would be no such thing as "Alien Hand Syndrome".

    Does your Soul possess any intelligence?

    NO! Otherwise down syndrome with its physical manifestation would be overridable just by Will.

    Does your Soul make you do good or bad, or live in fear or live fearlessly?

    NO! There are demonstrated parts of brain responsible for it!

    YET ! The claimant of the creation of this universe NEVER mentions brain in any of his scriptures.

    SO WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR SOUL GOOD FOR? IF EVEN BEING A HOMOSEXUAL MAKES YOUR BRAIN VERY DIFFERENT PHYSICALLY!

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  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #594 - February 13, 2011, 03:43 PM

     
    If there somehow was undisputable proof this particular god created everything, I'd have to concede that it created me at the very least.

    off course , there is a proof., You know "you are real not imaginary." ,  right?  It means some one created you.. and some one created  those who created you ..

    So at the end there is a creator ..  The question is what is it?? And  If there is no creator how all this stuff exist??  or begin with??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #595 - February 13, 2011, 03:44 PM

    If there somehow was undisputable proof this particular god created everything, I'd have to concede that it created me at the very least.


     but you wouldn't submit to his commands, regardless?

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #596 - February 13, 2011, 03:45 PM

    off course , there is a proof., You know "you are real not imaginary." ,  right?  It means some one created you.. and some one created  those who created you ..

    So at the end there is a creator ..  The question is what is it?? And  If there is no creator how all this stuff exist??  or begin with??


    Wait... what?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #597 - February 13, 2011, 03:46 PM

    Wouldn't he have to have created himself and the universe, for starters?


    are you saying you would accept my last answer to you, except you're not convinced he created anything in the first place?

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #598 - February 13, 2011, 03:48 PM

    but you wouldn't submit to his commands, regardless?


    Are you seriously claiming that hearsay from a so-called prophet Mohammed are equivalent to the commands, and scriptures sent by an Omniscient GOD of the entire Universe. You cannot be serious that ramblings of a mad Kahin are the final word of GOD.

    It is all hearsay, and only fools believe in hearsay and legends. Think for a minute, why would an Omniscient GOD require your skin, feet, hands, ears and tongues to testify against us on the day of Judgement. Yet, he never ever mentions our BRAIN in the SLIGHTEST.

    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: Hi from on the fence muslim
     Reply #599 - February 13, 2011, 03:51 PM

    Just what exactly is your soul?

    Does your Soul store any memories?

    NO! Because otherwise a person with damaged brain would not suffer amnesia.

    Does your Soul do any motor functions?

    NO! Because otherwise you would not lose motor functions from brain damage, and there would be no such thing as "Alien Hand Syndrome".

    Does your Soul possess any intelligence?

    NO! Otherwise down syndrome with its physical manifestation would be overridable just by Will.

    Does your Soul make you do good or bad, or live in fear or live fearlessly?

    NO! There are demonstrated parts of brain responsible for it!

    YET ! The claimant of the creation of this universe NEVER mentions brain in any of his scriptures.

    SO WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR SOUL GOOD FOR? IF EVEN BEING A HOMOSEXUAL MAKES YOUR BRAIN VERY DIFFERENT PHYSICALLY!


    soul is responsible for experience, but philosophers, like z10, although reject this idea, they do acknowledge *the hard problem of conscienceness*. Obviously, you don't.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
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