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 Topic: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims

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  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #90 - February 23, 2013, 07:39 AM

    It's ok not to have it all figured out. Society created a system where you're all expected to get into the line and chug along the defined path and if you stray you're seen as 'lost', made to feel bad about it etc. There are many different paths.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #91 - February 23, 2013, 01:00 PM

    Truth is, in order to actually believe this idea you need to be a bit of an idiot. Because none of us are really worth all the things we want. Do you really believe that you deserve a 5 bedroom house with a jacuzzi and an Infiniti with heated leather seats? Nobody really does. Nobody really is worth anything they think they are. You are not special - as Tyler Durden would say.

    It's sad but people who have a higher level of thinking tend to despair into nihilism. I get by in life because I'm content with baser and more carnal things. I could give less of a shit about what Kant or Nietczhe says.. I'm very happy with a woman's ass and a nice car. I'm basic and that's all I really need.

    So it's all about what you want out of life. If you have excessive material desire, true love or are seeking great spiritual fulfillment on a higher level.. then you're shit out of luck. But if you're happy with just being able to enjoy the next Planet of the Apes installment.. then life is for you.  Afro


    This didn't make sense to me until now Afro

    And Saleri's posts made sense too. My god, the absence of these two guys makes this place more boring at this moment.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #92 - February 23, 2013, 04:37 PM

    Anyone who quotes Tyler Durden is ok in my book! To me, life is like a rock. In and of itself, it has no purpose. We may do with it as we will. It can build castles or it can be a paper weight. In the end it is still just a rock.
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #93 - February 23, 2013, 05:21 PM

    Before anyone tries to get on the motivating train, I just want to remind you that in this capitalist system, it is required that some individuals not make it beyond certain points, society only has a certain capacity and ability to accommodate a limited number of people. In 2009 suicide rates were 5,706, I imagine they haven't changed much. There are people required to fill those statistics so not everyone is meant for saving.


    Mon Dieu, I could have written this myself. It all feels like such a facade, a burlesque. I find myself manually going through the motions and when my thoughts catch up to whatever mundane charade I am enacting, it hits you like a shit ton of bricks. It's easy for someone to look down from their place of privilege at all those poor fuckers toiling in the dirt and tell them it'll be okay. But it isn't, is it? You feel like like an outsider, because no one else around you is willing to admit the ridiculousness, the absurdity of absolutely everything. All you can do is create for yourself a character in this society and hone that character accordingly in as rational and conscious a manner as possible, so as to create the 'perfect' guise. Thing is - there are limitations. You can't be the character you want. You are who they tell you you are (female, POC, LGBT) and if you try to break the mold, you're just another rogue.

    And there isn't really any point. We work so we can work and then we work some more until society deems us useless, tosses us aside with a comfortable sum (if you're lucky) and we're finally free to do what we want - but by that point, you're not relevant. You don't even register. Nihilism isn't an alternate - it's the reality (in my opinion, anyway). My advice? Try not to let it drive you crazy. Revolt. I read about something called Anarchist Calisthenics, the idea of which is basically to break little societal rules every day, exercising those 'muscles', so that when the time comes for a great revolution it won't be too difficult. Now, I'm not advocating Anarchy (I am but whatever), but this can be domesticated and applied on a more personal basis - you can revolt against your own Nihilistic tendencies by consciously attempting to find meaning in the mundane -- like others have said read, draw, dance, cultivate your interests, do things for others. This will help you transcend the "void", the emptiness or perhaps elude it for a little while.

    Also, physical exercise. Push yourself. As hard as possible. By bridging the gap between the mental and the physical (thinking "I can fucking do five more pushups" and then actually doing it) you're establishing in yourself a sense of competence and ability and this leaks into other aspects of your life.

    Sorry about that rant. Most of it probably didn't even make much sense and it was more for my own sake really. As someone said above, this is wonderfully therapeutic.

    ETA: Also, education. Obviously ex-Muslims aren't a monolith, we come from a variety of backgrounds but this here is specifically targeted at those from a less advantageous milieu. You might not have been able to give yourself the best education growing up but you can change this now. Realize that, as you haven't been fortunate enough to inherit wealth and a reputable name, you'll have to make it yourself. It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, it all goes to dust without a degree (or two - and some further education) to reinforce it. Growing up as a Muslim may have stunted your curiosity a little (because you're constantly discouraged from questioning lest you *shock horror* devolve into the realm of blasphemy) but you can re-ignite it. Be genuinely interested in the world around you. So I'm just gonna start doling out the platitudes now. We're here, we might as well make do. Appreciate all that life has to offer. Don't limit yourself to one genre of music or one literary style. Expand. Learn. Absorb. Those feelings of inadequacy and that you've 'missed out' on a lot of things can be a wonderful impetus for broadening your horizons and growing as a person.

    "The more powerful and original a mind, the more it will incline toward the religion of solitude."


    "i used to steal my sisters barbies so i could take their clothes off and perv on them" - prince spinoza
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #94 - February 23, 2013, 06:12 PM

    Is anyone else ashamed of Rendezvous wisdom?

    When I was her age I was a bum.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #95 - February 23, 2013, 06:43 PM

    Is anyone else ashamed of Rendezvous wisdom?

    When I was her age I was a bum.




    Ah, you flatter me far too much -- honestly, I am far from wise. I know very little, actually, but that's a work in progress and I suppose I could say I'm a little less ignorant each day Afro

    "The more powerful and original a mind, the more it will incline toward the religion of solitude."


    "i used to steal my sisters barbies so i could take their clothes off and perv on them" - prince spinoza
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #96 - February 23, 2013, 06:48 PM

    Quote
    Ah, you flatter me far too much -- honestly, I am far from wise. I know very little, actually, but that's a work in progress and I suppose I could say I'm a little less ignorant each day


    I'm in the same age group(late teens/early twenties) as you and trust me I feel like a dumb ass in comparison to you Seriously.


    I guess your life experiences made you more mature than most people our age.



    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #97 - February 23, 2013, 07:42 PM

    Rendezvous has a curious habit of writing everything I'm feeling but unable to express.

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #98 - February 23, 2013, 07:57 PM

    Wish I were as skilled in literacy as Renna. :<

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #99 - February 23, 2013, 08:10 PM

    *pretends to be wallpaper* <3

    "The more powerful and original a mind, the more it will incline toward the religion of solitude."


    "i used to steal my sisters barbies so i could take their clothes off and perv on them" - prince spinoza
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #100 - February 23, 2013, 08:11 PM

    These are some really awesome advice! I need to get my ass up and find a job quickly, kind off impossible because I'm so lazy. wacko
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #101 - February 23, 2013, 08:23 PM

    Wise words well put! Can someone add this to the greatest hits thread? I'm on my phone or else I would.
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #102 - February 23, 2013, 08:39 PM

    Advice;

    Make friends with people like Rendezvous.
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #103 - February 23, 2013, 08:50 PM

    Is anyone else ashamed of Rendezvous wisdom?

    When I was her age I was a bum.




    Not only you bro,I was clueless and dumb as fuck at her age. What she wrote was quite awe-inspiring that I have now decided to go back to my shell and indulge more in reading about anarchism and nihilism like how I initially started before I got distracted  IRL


    Wise post,Ren. Not trying to flatter you but trust me,you are going places with these kind of thoughts.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
     Reply #104 - February 23, 2013, 09:23 PM

    I've given to my own self an advice and maybe it could help some other people:

    We are young. And so we have time ahead of us. We haven't lived our life to the fullest. We probably never will. Life is so short. So instead of focusing too much of "being an ex-muslim", why can't we focus on other stuff? Some events, situations, occasions will never show up in our life ever again. Maybe those moments that happen to us, we shouldn't be afraid to take them and live them. For the bad or for the good. Because it will anyway makes us stronger. But...being in your corner, depressed about how you are different from the people around you won't make any good. I just think we should stop labeling each other as "ex-muslim". It sounds so pejorative. We are young and I think at our age, we should enjoy life just the way it is. We didn't decide to be born in a muslim community, but we have the power to just forget about it and look over that. Thinkin about it won't help.

    I don't know... the more I think I'm an ex-muslim...the more I think that "my parents will kill me, will do this, will do that... and blablabla" just makes me feel miserable. So I just don't care anymore.

    Il faut savoir grandir et aller de l'avant.
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