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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #60 - January 05, 2011, 01:18 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJGzNzVGm4M

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo_ycFe602c

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #61 - January 05, 2011, 01:28 PM


    Read this really powerful article written by Salman Taseer's son in August 2010 about Pakistan and its increasing loss of self in the face of extremism. Given what happened to his father, it is very prescient and sad.


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    Losing faith in Pakistan

    Another attack on a shrine underscores the zeal to cleanse Islam of all references to the Indian subcontinent. The border issue cannot alone be the cause of this hatred. After it wipes out traces of its shared culture with India, and as the world begins to see that Pakistan’s problems are not administrative, its people will have to find a new narrative

    It is one of the vanities of a war, like the war on terror, to believe that your enemy’s reasons for fighting are the same as yours. We are bringers of freedom, democracy and Western-style capitalism; they hate freedom, democracy and Western-style capitalism. It is an irresistible symmetry; and if not a way to win a war, it is certainly a way to convince yourself that you’re fighting the good war. But there is another possibility, one that the Americans, and other defenders of post-colonial thinking, are loath to admit: that a place’s problem might truly be its own; that your reasons for fighting are not your enemy’s reasons; and that you might only be a side-show in an internal war with historical implications deeper than your decade-long presence in the country.

    In the case of Pakistan, the imposition of this easy West versus Islam symmetry has helped conceal what is the great theme of history in that country: the grinding down of its local syncretic culture in favour of a triumphant, global Islam full of new rigidities and intolerances. It is this war, which feels in Pakistan like a second Arab conquest, that earlier last month saw, as its latest target, the Data Sahib shrine in Lahore—among the most important of thousands of such shrines that dot the cities and countryside of Punjab and Sindh.

    These shrines are a memorial to the hybridity of the land, if not the state, of Pakistan. Until Partition, before the exodus of Pakistan’s Hindu and Sikh populations, they were places (as they still are in India) where Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims worshipped together. Behind each one—formed out of more than six centuries of religious reform, which created humanistic, more tolerant hybrids of India’s religions—would be some tale built around a local saint that celebrated the plurality of the land. To adhere to the spirit of these shrines was to know that deeper than any doctrinal difference was a shared humanity; it was almost to feel part of a common religion; the spread of this shared culture through Punjab, Sindh and Kashmir constituted an immense human achievement. And for as long as the plurality remained, the religion remained, seemingly immune to fanaticism, incapable of being reduced to bigotry and prejudice. But once the land of Pakistan, after Partition, was drained of its diversity (and this constituted no less a shock than if London or New York were suddenly cleansed of their non-white populations), the religion lost its deepest motivation, which was to bring harmony to a diverse and plural population. The amazing thing was that even after Partition, when the land of Pakistan was no longer so plural, it was this religion, full of mysticism, poetry and song, that clung on as the dominant faith of the people of Pakistan.

    But it is also this religion now, far greater than any Western import or influence, that is the enemy of the new fanaticism. It is, if not the true front of the war on terror, certainly the cause of the rage behind it. It is this war that the Taliban, more than any about freedom, capitalism or democracy, concepts of which they have at best a thin knowledge, are fighting. For, in order to achieve the vacuum in which their nihilistic vision of Islam can be realized—and it can only be realized thus—the full world, the world of culture, of stories, of songs, of dress, of ornate ritual, must be destroyed. It is the busyness of the world—and this is where the West comes in too—a busyness made of the labour of men, of their ambitions, their hopes, their entertainments, their culture, that is the enemy of the bearded men.

    But there is also something else, and this has been going on in Pakistan since its inception: the wish to cleanse the Islam of that country of its cultural contact with the Indian subcontinent, a contact that is, for many in Pakistan, a contamination. For me, with my Indian upbringing, and Pakistani father, this desire to remove all trace of India was visible everywhere. It was there in the dress of a woman in Karachi, under the hem of whose black Arab abaya an inch of Indian pink was visible; it was there in the state’s desire to impose restrictions on weddings so that they would be stripped of their Indian rituals and become only Islamic; it was there in the hysteria surrounding the kite-flying festival of Basant, where public safety concerns—and this in Pakistan!—were invented so that the Indian spring festival could be put out of business once and for all.

    The attack on the old religion of Pakistan—and there will be many more—is the last front, and one hopes the most resilient, in the way of meeting the conditions for a complete nihilism. The reaction in Pakistan to this latest attack on Data Sahib has been one of widespread outrage, reaching into sections of society beyond that tiny sphere that foreign journalists like to describe as “civil society”. It has also been notably less muted than the reaction after the attack on the Ahmadi Mosque in May, which produced that same mixture of lies and conspiracy that is the foundation of Pakistani political opinion.

    But one cannot be too hopeful. Pakistanis have stood by and watched the decay of their society for over six decades now. It seems that once the original outrage dies down, no significant majority will be found to defend the old religion of Pakistan. They will see it go as they have seen so many things go. The reason for this is that original idea on which Pakistan was founded, the idea of the secular state for Indian Muslims, has perished and nothing has taken its place. The men who say “Pakistan was founded for Islam, more Islam is the solution”, have the force of an ugly logic on their side. Their opponents, few as they are, have nothing, no regenerative idea to combat this violent nihilistic one.

    As the attacks on shrines like Data Sahib multiply, as the Americans discover that nothing will be achieved by throwing money at Pakistan, as India realizes that Pakistan’s hatred of it is not rational, that the border issue with Kashmir cannot alone be the cause of such passion, as the world begins to see that Pakistan’s problems are not administrative, Pakistanis will have to find a new narrative. The sad truth is that they are still a long way from discovering the true lesson behind the experience of the past 60 years: that it is of language, dress, notions of social organization, of shared literatures and customs, of Sufi shrines and their stories, that nations are made, not religion. That has proved to be too thin a glue and 60 years later, it has left millions of people dispossessed and full of hateful lies: a nation of human bombs.


    http://www.livemint.com/2010/08/06210142/Losing-faith-in-Pakistan.html

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #62 - January 05, 2011, 01:38 PM

    So-called Educated people of Land of pure.. watch them

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU2KBkMvfj4
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    Host:

    Welcome and peace be upon you  Viewers ,  Today's program guests are

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    1). Justice Tari Muhamood  former President of Pakistan Bar association
    2).  Dr. Anees Ahmed  Vice Chancellor and president of Islamic  University
    3). From Karachi Sherry Rahaman , A lady Journalist and former minister in Zardari govt.
    4). (That Cricket Player., a god heated fellow and a fool  Imran Khan

    So to day we will discuss the subject of Blasphemy laws in Pakistan


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    Preview:

    From 1927 to 1986 there were 7 cases of Blasphemy in Pakistan(THIS FOOL  SEEM NOT TO KNOW that Pakistan was born in 1947) and after Zia regime where this 295B and 295 C clauses were added to the Pakistan constitution these Blasphemy case went up to 1058 cases  and in that there were also 40 Muslims who are accused of Blasphemy.  Punjab Province is the worst affected people due to these laws .

    When Musharraf came in to power  he wanted to change the  section 295A, 295B and 295C of the Pakistan Penal Code that deals with Blasphemy laws. But due to the force from Fundamentalist Muslims Musharraf could not do anything in changing these Blasphemy rules.

    Also recently  Sherry Rehman, MNA from Pakistan Peoples Party has submitted this Amendment Bill in National Assembly of Pakistan on Nov 2010.

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    Host:   Now with this introduction, Let us discuss the subject of Blasphemy Laws in Pakistan., Now let us go and talk to Imran Khan who joining from London

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    Host:..  Imran you gave a statement on this Blasphemy, can you tell something on that?

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    And my man whom I used to respect .. The fool says.,   You see people should NOT use   these Blasphemy laws to victimize others. In Pakistan something else happens between the parties and the case comes as Blasphemy using the Pakistan penal code.  You see, As Prophet of Islam showed us that Islam's  most important tenet is Humanism .  When Muslims were ruling Spain.. they made libraries, good job ..built good society.. yadi.yadi.. (THE FOOL NEVER READ ANYTHING ABOUT SPAIN)

    In earlier days in Spain , when some said some insulting words against Prophet., they used to go these calipha courts ., These Kazis(local lawyers in Caliph courts)  used to tell the victims who were alleged to Insult Muhammad., again and again to say that

    "You  did not do Blasphemy against Prophet, . you didn't say anything against prophet"  and the victims used to agree   and the case gets dismissed.., Now in Pakistan  we have no courts.. no government .. no law . so that is why these Blasphemy cases  happen in Pakistan .


    That is what this FOOL says.,

     but he doesn't have guts to say..
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    leave that Christan lady alone you idiots., If she insulted Prophet( I believe she didn't do) it is for Allah in the after life to take care of the case.. and she will go to hell if she doesn't repent. BUT ON THIS EARTH.. you can not put her in Jail or kill her.

     well that is what that videos says dear billy..   I will do rest later..


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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #63 - January 05, 2011, 01:47 PM


    What are they saying yeezeevee sum it up in one sentence you know I cannot understand Hairdo.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #64 - January 05, 2011, 01:48 PM

    Read this really powerful article written by Salman Taseer's son  

    Hmm., This is another fascinating book from Aatish Taseer

    http://niranjana.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/the-temple-goers-by-aatish-taseer/

    "The Temple-Goers by Aatish Taseer"



    The guy writes good.. worth reading..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #65 - January 05, 2011, 02:32 PM

    What are they saying yeezeevee sum it up in one sentence you know I cannot understand Hairdo.



    well you can not understand "Hairdo" and I can not do it in "ONE SENTENCE"  we got a problem billy..lol.  but let me do My favorite guy.. Imran Khan,  read that. I will do rest later..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #66 - January 05, 2011, 03:10 PM

    What people say on this Shocking Murder:

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    Author Taslima Nasreen, who has been banished by fundamentalists from her homeland Bangladesh for speaking about the condition of Muslim women in her books, said, "Was Salman Taseer assassinated because he spoke against blasphemy law?

    How many of us would have to shut our mouth to save our lives?"

    I say to her   "Shut your mouth and save life.,  A live Taslima changes the world But Dead Taslima can do nothing. " and there is plenty of life,  love and laughter in you..

    well that India connection of Salman Taseer., a news pare highlights on his Indian son...
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    Salman's India connection was close. He fathered a child with noted columnist and author Tavleen Singh, and abandoned them. As a child, all Aatish ever had of his father was a photograph. Raised by his Sikh mother in Delhi, his father remained a distant figure.

    His book Stranger to History is the story of the journey Aatish made to try to understand what it means to be a Muslim in the 21st century, and reconnect with his father. Starting from Istanbul, Islam's once greatest city, he travels to Mecca, its most holy, and then home through Iran and Pakistan. Ending in Lahore, at his estranged father's home, on the night Benazir Bhutto was killed.

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    "I had begun my journey asking why my father was Muslim, and this was why: none of Islam's once powerful moral imperatives existed within him, but he was Muslim because he doubted the Holocaust, hated America and Israel, thought Hindus were weak and cowardly, and because the glories of the Islamic past excited him," wrote Aatish.


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    So he was indeed shocked when his father hit back at him, accusing him, among other things, of blackening the family name by spreading 'invidious anti-Muslim propaganda'.


    Shruti Debi, who was the editor of Taseer's book Stranger to History: A Son's Journey through Islamic Lands, said, "The book speaks volumes about Aatish's relationship with his father."

    Violent times
    "We live in violent times. Any person who holds a view that goes against fundamentalist principles pays a price. We have moved into extreme corners. It is tragic," said author Sudeep Chakravarty. Indeed!

    well that is a good question  lol..., the question is
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    why: none of Islam's once powerful moral imperatives existed within him,

    Now I realize that there is need to   educate Indians such as people like Aatish Taseer.. lol., Any way the guy  had very interesting life., Lucky .,  his mother took care of him and that is because She is a Sikh lady.. If he would have lived in Pakistan .. he would have cried.. Jihad.. Jihad... That is all the difference between this side and that side..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #67 - January 05, 2011, 03:13 PM

    Reading the Sana Saleem article in the guardian and the comments. The obfuscation comments are funny, in a sad way.  " He was killed by corruption! Drone strikes make the killer do it! What about Stalin and the murder of Native Americans, they assassinated people too!"

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #68 - January 05, 2011, 03:21 PM


    ^^^ Has anyone blamed the Juice or Indians yet  Roll Eyes

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #69 - January 05, 2011, 03:29 PM


    Actually amid the white noise there are some good posts on that discussion board. This is by Khokar976

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    Salman Taseer was a brave man who tried to stand up against extremists in Pakistan. There are many who celebrated his death. On 31st of December, the last Friday of the year 2010 there were country wide rallies to protest against any plans to change blasphemy laws of Pakistan. The Barelvi school of thought, often touted as the "moderate" face of Islam in Britain has always been advocating death penalty for blasphemers and apostates. The assasin of Mr. Taseer uses the family name "Qadri", a well known sufi order.

    Currently, some Barelvi/Sufi TV channels are also running on Sky network in the UK. Two of them have regular live shows filled with hate speech against other Islamic sects as well as non-Muslims.

    The recent hate campaign in London against Ahmadi Muslims was also orchestrated by a Pakistan based organization called Khatme Nabuwwat or MTKN, which has strong links with certain oil rich sponsors. Similar organizations have been issuing fatwas of death against moderate Muslims who oppose their world view. The worrying thing is, that such organizations have been allowed to promote their hatred in this country through leaflets, TV channels and websites. They can set up offices, collect funding, invite hate mongers from Pakistan and support their British MPs in elections by threatning violence and social boycotts against minorities.

    Salman Taseer died for his political beliefs in a country thousands of miles away. A country which is fighting the cancer of religious extremism and failing. Are we waiting for an assasination or religiously motivated murder in the UK before we realize that bigotry imported from Pakistan has taken roots in our towns and cities as well?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/9021025


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #70 - January 05, 2011, 03:48 PM

    I hate being hyberbolic and there isnt such a thing as one event that can demarcate everything, but I had a sad feeling that this is the point at which we can see Pakistan commit communal suicide. the end is still a while coming and there will be other events, but now we are just watching Pakistan bleed.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #71 - January 05, 2011, 03:56 PM

    Deusvault, I somewhat agree, they will bend completely to the Extremists and there will be a lot of non-muslims in that country right royally screwed. I can easily see a situation then of the States and Europe heading into Iran with the backing of the Saudis and either eventually there being a war between India and Pakistan or eventually somebody invading Pakistan. I probably will be proved wrong but these are my fears.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #72 - January 05, 2011, 04:27 PM

    ^^^ Has anyone blamed the Juice or Indians yet  Roll Eyes

    I was thinking that - this one cant really be pinned on conspiracy theories, so the public might begin to see the wood through the trees, and see what really has become of their society

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #73 - January 05, 2011, 04:44 PM

    Deusvault, I somewhat agree, they will bend completely to the Extremists and there will be a lot of non-muslims in that country right royally screwed. I can easily see a situation then of the States and Europe heading into Iran with the backing of the Saudis and either eventually there being a war between India and Pakistan or eventually somebody invading Pakistan. I probably will be proved wrong but these are my fears.


    Well my fear is that they have nukes. I fear for India being nuked. The extremists don't care. They literally have no care for their own lives or the lives of others, either Pakistani or Indian. They regularly plot mass terrorist atrocities in Mumbai and places like that. Nuking India will be like a fulfilment of an Islamic dream they have, to destroy the polytheists Hindu mushrikeen who held back the power of Islam. That Pakistan would be wiped off the face of the earth in return wouldn't matter to them at all. As long as Mecca is still standing, they would say Islam has triumphed.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #74 - January 05, 2011, 04:46 PM


    I'm talking about the prospect of extreme circumstances and the ascendancy of the far-right Islamic nationalists taking or influencing these decisions. For now, wiser heads probably prevail. But will that be the case in the future? It is genuinely frightening.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #75 - January 05, 2011, 04:46 PM

    Don't India have nukes? If so isn't the situation a bit like the Cold war with the arms race where the arms themselves were not used?
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #76 - January 05, 2011, 04:51 PM

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    Don't India have nukes? If so isn't the situation a bit like the Cold war with the arms race where the arms themselves were not used?


    Yeah but the Cold War had Mutually Assured Destruction at the heart of it. When you have religious fanatics who don't care about their own destruction that falls by the wayside. A country that is so unstable and religiously volatile, that has so much violence, exports violence, and is gripped by Islam so tightly it is losing touch with reality is a scary prospect. Especially if some of the scenarios that you discussed get played out at some point in this century.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #77 - January 05, 2011, 04:55 PM

    Okay guess I'm still of the mind that people want to live.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #78 - January 05, 2011, 04:57 PM

    Okay guess I'm still of the mind that people want to live.

    Unless there is a sacred cause that trumps such earthly considerations.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #79 - January 05, 2011, 05:00 PM

    Okay guess I'm still of the mind that people want to live.


    They do, but if someone is in the grip of a delusion that this life doesn't matter, and its after death that the real living begins they can be suicidally, and murderously, fanatic.  Look at 9/11, 7/7, etc.

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #80 - January 05, 2011, 05:06 PM

    Okay guess I'm still of the mind that people want to live.

    They do.
    But it only takes one person to kill thousands..

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #81 - January 05, 2011, 05:10 PM

    I am somewhat of the mind that in the next 3 yrs we are going to see the start of WWIII
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #82 - January 05, 2011, 05:18 PM


    Some good articles coming out of this news story. This is a good piece on Pakistan's history, and why its troubles can't just be blamed on General Zia.


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    Salman Taseer is a victim of Pakistan's fatal flaw

    The murder of Salman Taseer is the culmination of Pakistan's historic move towards religious intolerance and Islamisation


    Pakistan's founders explained their hasty creation as the promised land where no Muslim would be killed for being Muslim. Today, it is a land where Muslims are killed for not being Muslim enough. Salman Taseer, the governor of Pakistan's largest province, Punjab, was assassinated because he had the temerity to assail the country's anti-blasphemy laws when he responded to the plight of Aasia Bibi – a 45-year-old Christian woman awaiting execution for the capital crime, under Pakistan's penal code, of blasphemy against Islam.

    Who bears the responsibility for Taseer's death? To Pakistan's liberals, the principal cause of religious extremism in their country begins and ends with one person: General Zia-ul-Haq, an austere bigot who governed the country from 1976 until his death in 1988. Apportioning the blame so disproportionately exonerates his predecessors, erases the deeper history of theocratic idealism that underpins the very idea of Pakistan, and promotes, to the present generation, the erroneous idea that, prior to Zia, Pakistan accommodated pluralism.

    Liaquat Ali Khan, Jinnah's erstwhile deputy and Pakistan's first prime minister, formally initiated the Islamisation of Pakistan in 1949. The objectives resolution he introduced set out the core constitutional principles by which the new country would be governed. Among other things, it proclaimed that Allah, who held sovereignty "over the entire universe", had "delegated it to Pakistan", and it called for the creation of conditions "wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah".

    This immediately disenfranchised non-Muslims, and empowered mullahs and extremists. Senior government officials were soon calling for the adoption of Arabic as the national language and mooting the prospect of "Islamistan", a global confederation of Islamic states. This pan-Islamic fervour – part of Pakistan's attempts to anchor its invented identity – was not shared by other Muslim nations which, for all their inadequacies, had more definite pasts and less fragile presents than the self-appointed Land of the Pure. But there were consequences.

    By the time Ayub Khan launched the first military coup in 1958, 11-year-old Pakistan had been ruled by seven prime ministers. His finely clipped moustache and fondness for scotch whiskey led outsiders to view him as a great moderniser. Indeed, Ayub's first major act as president was to commission the construction of a new capital city. A Greek firm of architects was tasked with the job. On 24 February 1960, Ayub gave the city its name: Islamabad, the City of Islam. Fittingly, while the parliament and the supreme court built by the Greeks are frequently forced into abeyance, the one building that is always open for business in today's Islamabad is a mosque named after a Saudi despot who funded it.

    A new constitution was promulgated in 1962. Pakistan's official name was changed to Republic of Pakistan, dropping the "Islamic" that the 1956 constitution had introduced. But this was superficial at best. The constitution created a greater role for religion – and religious policing. It established an Advisory Council of Islamic Ideology to bring Pakistanis "into conformity with the teachings and requirements of Islam". It called for the creation of an Islamic Research Institute to "assist in the reconstruction of Muslim society on a truly Islamic basis". The first amendment to the constitution restored the country's old name: the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

    Pakistan's pluralistic heritage was subsequently erased in order to create a malleable monolith. Education was the principal target – the study of Islamiyat was promoted at universities; a new discipline called Pakistan studies, locating the country's origins in the history of Islam, was created; and the army, particularly Ayub, was portrayed as its saviour. India, meanwhile, was demonised as a "Hindu" state.

    Ayub launched a war against India in 1965. At the battle of Badr in the 7th century, the prophet's tiny band of Muslim soldiers claimed to have vanquished the Quraysh with the help of white-turbaned angels sent by Gabriel. Ayub's propaganda machinery borrowed directly from that legend, reaffirming Pakistan's position as the defender of Islam. Stories about Pakistan's forces being assisted by green-robed angels who deflected Indian bombs with a wave of their hand were circulating, as were legends about Pakistani soldiers shooting down Indian aircraft with Enfield rifles. Pakistanis weren't just being invited to celebrate the valour of their soldiers – they were being told that their side had received celestial sanction.

    Salman Taseer's security guard seemingly felt blessed by such a divinity when he pulled the trigger on the man he was commissioned to defend. To all those in Pakistan's armed forces who sympathise with Taseer's killer, this act may be a logical culmination of the journey that began in 1947. The suppression of dissenting or minority expression in a country that claims to symbolise the liberation of an allegedly oppressed people exposes Pakistan's fatal flaw: it remains, to use Salman Rushdie's words, an "insufficiently imagined" idea.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/jan/05/salman-taseer-murder-pakistan-islam


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #83 - January 05, 2011, 05:32 PM


    This one mentions that horrible rabid fanatic Maududi.

    Reading this, its hard to have hope that things will get better for Pakistan.

    ++++++

    The End of Jinnah's Pakistan

    Governor Salmaan Taseer's murder raises questions about the future of Pakistan's Western-educated elites..

    Every time you think things can't possibly get worse in Pakistan, along comes something to prove you wrong. On Tuesday, in possibly the country's most consequential political shock since the 2007 murder of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, Salmaan Taseer, the 65-year-old governor of Punjab province, was gunned down in an upscale Islamabad market by one of his police bodyguards. The reason: the governor's plain-spoken defense of Asia Bibi, an illiterate Christian woman sentenced to death under Pakistan's harsh blasphemy laws. According to press reports, Taseer's killer pumped nine bullets into him for daring to call the blasphemy provision a "black law."

    Needless to say, Taseer was right. Pakistan's blasphemy laws belong more in a chronicle of medieval horrors than in a modern society, let alone one that receives billions of dollars in Western largesse. Since the mid-1980s, blasphemy—including criticizing the prophet Mohammed—has carried a mandatory death sentence. Amnesty International calls the laws "vaguely formulated and arbitrarily enforced" and "typically employed to harass and persecute religious minorities." Over the past quarter century, at least 30 people have been lynched by mobs after being accused of blasphemy. Many others have been forced to flee the country. Though Christians make up less than 2% of Pakistan's population, they account for about half the country's blasphemy cases.

    In a larger sense, however, the significance of Taseer's murder lies in what it says about the future of nuclear-armed Pakistan. Carved out of the Muslim-majority provinces of British India in 1947, the country has long struggled to reconcile two competing visions of its reason for being. Is Pakistan, as imagined by its founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah—a London-trained barrister with a fondness for pork sandwiches and two-toned spats—merely a homeland for the subcontinent's Muslims? Or was it created to echo the far more ambitious formulation of Abul Ala Maududi, the radical Islamist ideologue born roughly a generation after Jinnah: for the enforcement of Islamic Shariah law upon every aspect of society and the state?

    Taseer broadly belonged to Jinnah's Pakistan. He was educated as a chartered accountant in England, founded a successful telecom company, and published the country's leading liberal newspaper in English. (Though, as the son of a famous Urdu poet, Taseer was perhaps more culturally authentic than his nation's founder.) By contrast, Taseer's killer, a 26-year-old named Mumtaz Qadri, symbolizes Maududi's vision. In photographs, he's bearded and moustache-less, in the manner prescribed by fundamentalist Islam. That Mr. Qadri could defy South Asia's usually rigid codes of hierarchy by murdering someone far above his station jibes with the contempt radical Islamists often feel for traditional elites. According to press reports, Mr. Qadri showed no remorse for the murder.

    The murder highlights anew the way in which Pakistan's English-speaking classes resemble a small island of urbanity surrounded by a rising tide of fundamentalist zeal. They have only themselves to blame for their predicament. From independence onward, successive governments—military and civilian alike—have ridden the tiger of fundamentalism out of political expediency, misplaced piety or geopolitical ambition. A statistic from Zahid Hussain's "Frontline Pakistan" is telling: When Pakistan gained independence in 1947 it housed 137 madrassas. That number has since swelled to about 13,000, between 10% and 15% of which are linked to sectarian militancy (Sunni versus Shia) or terrorism.

    For many analysts, Pakistan's slide began during the prime ministership of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, the debonair, Scotch-swilling feudal from Sindh first elected in 1970. Believing that he could co-opt the then small fundamentalist lobby, Bhutto banned alcohol and gambling and shuttered night clubs. He replaced the traditional Sunday holiday with Friday and declared the tiny heterodox Ahmadiyya sect to be non-Muslim. Bhutto promoted the pious and ultimately treacherous Zia ul-Haq to head the army.

    After Zia seized power in a coup in 1977, the Islamization of Pakistan took off in earnest. The general set up Shariah courts, began government collection of zakat (an Islamic alms tax), denuded libraries of books deemed un-Islamic, and mandated compulsory prayer for civil servants and marks in their personnel files for piety. In the 1980s, army officers were instructed to read "The Quranic Concept of War," a book by a zealous officer, Brigadier General S.K. Malik, which argues that "terror struck in the hearts of the enemies is not only a means, it is the end in itself." Many of these officers subsequently rotated through the notorious Inter-Services Intelligence whose links to violent fundamentalist groups fighting NATO troops in Afghanistan and India in Kashmir are widely regarded as too deep to sever entirely.

    Since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the U.S. has worked hard to stem the rising tide of fundamentalism in Pakistan. First it backed the military strongman Gen. Pervez Musharraf. When he failed to deliver, policy makers in Washington held out hope that a democratically elected government, armed with greater legitimacy, would fight a better fight. But so far—despite co-operating with stepped-up U.S. drone strikes against militants in the country's remoter reaches—the regime of President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani has hardly succeeded in stemming the tide of fundamentalist anger in either Pakistan or Afghanistan.

    Perhaps Governor Taseer's murder will lead the country's squabbling politicians and scheming generals to come together in a renewed bid to save Jinnah's country from Maududi's vision. Perhaps Pakistani society will be outraged enough to act against the thousands of madrassas that poison the country daily. But if the past is any guide to the future, it may not be a good idea to hold your breath. Jinnah, it can safely be assumed, is spinning in his grave.

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #84 - January 05, 2011, 06:56 PM

    Thanks for all the new articles and videos guys.

    Good to see thousands turn up to the funeral. However, when there are a large number of Paksitanis praising openly with the killing, I think there is a serious Islamism problem in Pakistan at mosque level. And when they have nukes, I think it is serious issue indeed if Islamists get into power at higher levels.


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    Though they are the same blood and modern India is rooted from Pakistan technically, the Pakistani side where drowned in the black colour of the women wearing burkas. Silence too. The Indian side had colour of women's Saris and loud dancing of Punjabi songs. Though they are the same blood, this is the impact of Islam in the minds on one side and not on the other.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #85 - January 05, 2011, 07:26 PM


    HO you just planted an idea for a thread in my brain.


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #86 - January 05, 2011, 07:52 PM

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    After Zia seized power in a coup in 1977, the Islamization of Pakistan took off in earnest. The general set up Shariah courts, began government collection of zakat (an Islamic alms tax), denuded libraries of books deemed un-Islamic, and mandated compulsory prayer for civil servants and marks in their personnel files for piety.

     
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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #87 - January 05, 2011, 07:53 PM

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    Though they are the same blood and modern India is rooted from Pakistan technically, the Pakistani side where drowned in the black colour of the women wearing burkas. Silence too. The Indian side had colour of women's Saris and loud dancing of Punjabi songs. Though they are the same blood, this is the impact of Islam in the minds on one side and not on the other.


    Uhh, what? Where did you see that?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeSX6AZ5xEI

    This was a few years back but you can clearly see girls wearing salwar kameez shouting out "Pakistan zindabaad."

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #88 - January 05, 2011, 07:53 PM

    HO you just planted an idea for a thread in my brain.




    Inception! Booooooommmmmm......

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #89 - January 05, 2011, 08:03 PM

    News says

    1). Imran Khan condemns murder of Taseer
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=8710

    2). Shahbaz condemns assassination of Taseer
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=8715

    3). Altaf condemns assassination of Governor
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=8711

    This was the interview by the Salmaan Taseer on that Blasphemy case on 23 dec 2010
    http://www.newslinemagazine.com/2010/12/interview-salmaan-taseer-governor-of-punjab/

    None of the so called heroes of Pakistan Imran Khan,   Shahbaz Shariff, Altaf Hussain or Nawaz Shariff or even Chief Justice of Pakistan  that you read so often from Land of pure  had guts to go against Bearded Brain dead  baboons in the case Asia bibi and Blasphemy laws..

    If theses Clean shaved  Brainless leaders with Mullah brains/Mullah fear  could stand say few words on that Asia bibi   Blasphemy case ., Salmaan Taseer  would have not get killed..

    I say Get Musharraf Back..  Put these guys out of Pakistan., It needs some one who can kick the butts and take the heat even if it is unconstitutional and undemocratic...   Damn basics of Islam is unconstitutional and undemocratic.

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