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  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #240 - January 16, 2011, 08:42 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on January 16, 2011, 05:52 PM
    Socialism is NOT wealth redistribution through taxation, Einstein. Socialism is about putting the means of production in the hands of the working class-- hardly something that benefits the unproductive, quite the opposite in fact.


    its about taking most productive companies and putting it into the hands of the masses, which ends up killing the value of the product, that is why there is alot of shit coming out of places like china but has no value it is of a poor quality compared to a same product created in/by a capitalist driven market.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #241 - January 16, 2011, 08:47 PM
    And its the capitalists going to the chinese begging for $  Cheesy Face it, capitalism has failed  yes

    Some people within punjab (Jhelum and Rawalpindi I think) are no different to the people in Azad kashmir.

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    While majority of the really fucked up Pakistanis (we call them jungalis) "uncivilized" are largely from the Mirpuri community, and Kashmiri community.


    Fuck you, prick!
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #242 - January 16, 2011, 08:54 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on January 16, 2011, 08:42 PM
    its about taking most productive companies and putting it into the hands of the masses, which ends up killing the value of the product, that is why there is alot of shit coming out of places like china but has no value it is of a poor quality compared to a same product created in/by a capitalist driven market.


    Factories in China are owned and operated by the workers? You might want to tell that to the Chinese workers who have been striking their workplaces and assassinating factory bosses. You also might want to notify the managers and Chinese government who have been jailing and murdering union activists. All of them seem to have missed the memo.
    fuck you
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #243 - January 16, 2011, 09:05 PM
    Like Q-Man said, China is essentially capitalist. It's just that their version of capitalism is slightly different when compared to the standard "western" model.

    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 16, 2011, 08:47 PM
    And its the capitalists going to the chinese begging for $  Cheesy Face it, capitalism has failed  yes

    You couldn't be more wrong.

    If anything capitalism has shown an incredible power of adaptability and resilience and is here to stay for a while yet. Just look at the recent financial crisis. What is has done to the system is merely making it leaner and meaner.
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #244 - January 16, 2011, 09:07 PM
    No what it's done is made the working class pick up the pieces, stupid wankers I mean bankers. 
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #245 - January 16, 2011, 09:11 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 16, 2011, 08:47 PM
    And its the capitalists going to the chinese begging for $  Cheesy Face it, capitalism has failed  yes


    Capitalists fail and beg for money all the time, it is called bankruptcy.  It means you failed ( as in individual, company or government), not capitalism.  Failure is written into capitalism, well it is written into everything really, its what makes people and economies adaptable and flexible.  
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #246 - January 16, 2011, 09:19 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 16, 2011, 09:05 PM
    Just look at the recent financial crisis. What is has done to the system is merely making it leaner and meaner.


    Leaner and meaner indeed. Issue is how many people will put up with that if they're out of work indefinitely, especially in my country where being out of work means no medical insurance, limited retirement benefits, unemployment compensation for only a limited amount of time, and few welfare programs available to able-bodied males?

    Capitalism depends on some level of consumption by the working-class. Capitalism in developed countries with largely finance, retail, and service economies depend on large levels of consumption by the working-class. When there are few jobs for working-class people and a steady decline in real wages and benefits, such a system is no longer sustainable. Workers, corporations and governments have been living well beyond their means for some time, propped up on a shaky foundation built of credit cards, as hard industry, the tax base, and good paying jobs have all been systematically removed from the foundation. That's what the current crisis is really about, and it's going to get worse, albeit with a few small upswings here and there. I been saying this would happen since I was 16 and it's finally coming to pass.
    fuck you
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #247 - January 16, 2011, 09:27 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 16, 2011, 09:07 PM
    No what it's done is made the working class pick up the pieces, stupid wankers I mean bankers.  

    The bolded bit is 100% correct (not sure why you put a "no" in there though).

    Which is exactly what I claimed - the crisis didn't just not hurt those responsible for it, the exact opposite happened. Working class is going to foot the bill and capitalism was triumphant once more.

    Re: China
    What is worrying about china is that in the standard "western" model political democracy (with human rights, liberalization etc) grew organically as a result of popular struggles which in turn made capitalism even more successful. Chinese authoritarian capitalism is on the other hand so successful precisely because of its despotic nature. What if their version of capitalism turns out to be more successful (in capitalist terms that is) then "ours"?
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #248 - January 16, 2011, 09:37 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on January 16, 2011, 09:19 PM
    I been saying this would happen since I was 16 and it's finally coming to pass.

    I don't quite share your optimism there Q, I don't think that it'll happen quite yet.

    On the other hand the standard liberal-capitalist framework does not address some fundamental issues inherent to the very system (some of which you have mentioned) therefore it is only a matter of time when capitalist dynamics is finally exhausted.
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #249 - January 16, 2011, 09:39 PM
    Quote
    The bolded bit is 100% correct (not sure why you put a "no" in there though).

    Which is exactly what I claimed - the crisis didn't just not hurt those responsible for it, the exact opposite happened. Working class is going to foot the bill and capitalism was triumphant once more.


    Not really.  Large amounts of money was transfered from productive people, companies, and institutions to insolvent institutions.  That is what is allowing them to continue.  They can't and won't operate in capitalistic society where failure to produce means bankruptcy.  Instead the require wealth transfers from productive people.  "bankers" aren't a problem per se, it is insolvent banks getting the government to cover for them.  There are quite wealthy bankers who earned their money honestly though hard work, in depth study, and risk taking moves.  

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    Re: China
    What is worrying about china is that in the standard "western" model political democracy (with human rights, liberalization etc) grew organically as a result of popular struggles which in turn made capitalism even more successful. Chinese authoritarian capitalism is on the other hand so successful precisely because of its despotic nature. What if their version of capitalism turns out to be more successful (in capitalist terms that is) then "ours"?


    The problem is that the authoritarian or state run companies are black holes for the Chinese economy, the semi private companies are the ones making the money.  Chinese state run 5 year plans have created housing bubbles with whole towns built but no one to live in them, while there are millions of Chinese homeless.  It might not look a "Western style" democratic system because the Chinese are used to more authoritarian social structures, but it won't be a top down run economy.  
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #250 - January 16, 2011, 09:40 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 16, 2011, 09:27 PM
    The bolded bit is 100% correct (not sure why you put a "no" in there though).

    Which is exactly what I claimed - the crisis didn't just not hurt those responsible for it, the exact opposite happened. Working class is going to foot the bill and capitalism was triumphant once more.

    Re: China
    What is worrying about china is that in the standard "western" model political democracy (with human rights, liberalization etc) grew organically as a result of popular struggles which in turn made capitalism even more successful. Chinese authoritarian capitalism is on the other hand so successful precisely because of its despotic nature. What if their version of capitalism turns out to be more successful (in capitalist terms that is) then "ours"?


    Human rights?  Cheesy Tell that to the people living in nations that are rich in resources but are are world dictators, most of which are probably pally with the "west" and corporations!

    Sorry should have put a comma after "no"

    It hasn't triumphed, its on its death bed  grin12
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #251 - January 16, 2011, 10:10 PM
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    Human rights?   Tell that to the people living in nations that are rich in resources but are are world dictators, most of which are probably pally with the "west" and corporations!


    Yes Human rights, no one said anyone was perfect, or that people should do more, but people in democratic capitalist or democratic socialist systems, as are people who don't live in them but aspire to become one are far more concerned with human rights, than in any other time in history.   


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    It hasn't triumphed, its on its death bed


     015
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #252 - January 16, 2011, 10:23 PM
    @deusvult

    Afaic the problem with capitalism is systemic. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.

    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 16, 2011, 09:40 PM
    Human rights?  Cheesy Tell that to the people living in nations that are rich in resources but are are world dictators, most of which are probably pally with the "west" and corporations!

    Tell "to the people" what? That features associated with liberal capitalism such as universal vote, trade unions, human rights, free public education, abolition of child labour etc. are not a result of capitalism per se but rather a result of struggles fought in the 19th and 20th century?

    Seems to me that your reading comprehension is rather poor sometimes.

    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 16, 2011, 09:40 PM
    It hasn't triumphed, its on its death bed  grin12

    See above.
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #253 - January 16, 2011, 10:26 PM
    Quote
    @deusvult

    Afaic the problem with capitalism is systemic. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here


    Go ahead and explain. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #254 - January 16, 2011, 10:33 PM
    Lord, what fools these mortals be. On display is another witless, mirthless, charmless debate over which long dead man's idea is superior to another dead man's idea by an endless series of cognitively deficient men with no ideas of their own to speak of. May God save us from the catamites.
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #255 - January 16, 2011, 10:45 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on January 16, 2011, 10:26 PM
    Go ahead and explain.

    I'll take a rain check on this one atm. Gtg, tomorrow maybe.

    Quote from: Mount A Bison on January 16, 2011, 10:33 PM
    ... endless series of cognitively deficient men with no ideas of their own to speak of.

    True that.  propellor head

    btw I still owe you on this one:

    Quote from: Mount A Bison on January 14, 2011, 08:08 PM
    Owing to the fact I've done you a colossal favour, would you care to reciprocate? Nothing big. Can you jerk me off?

    Hanjob is a bit too impersonal and dull for my taste and it will fail to show the full extent of my appreciation for you. I have noticed however that you have an inclination towards podophilia - would you be ok with that?
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #256 - January 16, 2011, 11:12 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 16, 2011, 10:45 PM
    Hanjob is a bit too impersonal and dull for my taste and it will fail to show the full extent of my appreciation for you. I have noticed however that you have an inclination towards podophilia - would you be ok with that?

    Big word. Blew my hair right back. What does it mean my sweet?

    Tell me the minimum wage in your neck of the woods and I will double it if you suck my toe. Unwashed. As befitting my advanced age the toes are a little crooked and callus bitten with huge areas of sharp protrusions. And being no lover of water I usually just dip my head under the shower on the morn, curse out loudly, and jump out before the water reaches my feet.

  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #257 - January 17, 2011, 04:54 AM
    .
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #258 - January 17, 2011, 05:53 AM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison
    Tell me the minimum wage in your neck of the woods and I will double it if you suck my toe.


    $0.00
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #259 - January 17, 2011, 11:39 AM
    Quote from: arthur1 on January 16, 2011, 03:49 PM
    It seems to me that this problem has developed because no one had the bottle to stand up and expose it when it first appeared, mainly because of peoples fear that they would be labelled racist, which is precisely what is going on now.
    I've heard more rants against Jack Straw than I have about the animals that have been raping little girls.

    So society, with it's lefty liberal outlook thought it was worse to offend some people than it was to protect children, to the extent that it has been covered up for some 15 to 20 years.
    Just like the Catholic church covered up it's dreadful abuse of children, that does not mean that all Catholics are child abusers, just as this doesn't mean all muslim men are child abusers



    Can't disagree with that.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #260 - January 17, 2011, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on January 16, 2011, 10:33 PM
    Lord, what fools these mortals be. On display is another witless, mirthless, charmless debate over which long dead man's idea is superior to another dead man's idea by an endless series of cognitively deficient men with no ideas of their own to speak of. May God save us from the catamites.


    I keep getting catamites mixed up wth castrato

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato

     wacko

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #261 - January 17, 2011, 11:53 AM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 16, 2011, 09:40 PM
    It hasn't triumphed, its on its death bed  grin12


    Thats one of your best ones so far  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #262 - January 17, 2011, 03:43 PM
    Capitalism is here to stay. End of debate. If anything Capitalistic societies, have better human rights, and are alot more prosperous, even though they might not have natural resources, like some socialist nations.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #263 - January 17, 2011, 08:57 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 16, 2011, 10:23 PM

    Tell "to the people" what? That features associated with liberal capitalism such as universal vote, trade unions, human rights, free public education, abolition of child labour etc. are not a result of capitalism per se but rather a result of struggles fought in the 19th and 20th century?

    Seems to me that your reading comprehension is rather poor sometimes.
    See above.


    *facepalm* And you say I can't understand  Roll Eyes Tell me, what good has capitalism done for the people in the Niger delta? and other similar places? Fuck all!

    Quote
    free public education, abolition of child labour


     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Nothing 'free' about paying 9 grand a year to go to uni. Google something like "child sweatshops"
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #264 - January 17, 2011, 08:58 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on January 17, 2011, 03:43 PM
    Capitalism is here to stay. End of debate. If anything Capitalistic societies, have better human rights, and are alot more prosperous, even though they might not have natural resources, like some socialist nations.


    Shame they won't give others those human rights, oh I forgot! Then they wouldn't be able to get their grubby paws on those natural resources!
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #265 - January 17, 2011, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 17, 2011, 11:53 AM
    Thats one of your best ones so far  Afro


    Thank you  Smiley
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #266 - January 17, 2011, 09:25 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 17, 2011, 08:58 PM
    Shame they won't give others those human rights, oh I forgot! Then they wouldn't be able to get their grubby paws on those natural resources!

     capitalism is pro human rights in the sense that it gives people ownership of private property.  To the extent that governments intrude on this right in order to illegally or immorally, if you wish, gain access to those resources by force, fraud, or deception then they aren't being capitalistic and the owners of the stolen property should receive recompense.

    I think what you mean by " capitalism" is really hegemony and your hope that capitalism falls is a desire to see hegemonic institutions desolved so that a more equitable order can come about.  In that sense, both capitalists, socialists and others want the same thing.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #267 - January 17, 2011, 09:35 PM

    Yeah but what about children not being allowed to play in puddles in Patagonia, deusvult

    Capitalism LoLz

    Anyway..........talk about a thread being taken off topic.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #268 - January 17, 2011, 09:39 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 17, 2011, 08:57 PM
    *facepalm* And you say I can't understand  Roll Eyes Tell me, what good has capitalism done for the people in the Niger delta? and other similar places? Fuck all!

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Sometimes I really do wonder. Are you simply taking the piss or you really don't get it? Your response is a complete non sequitur.

    This is what I have written:

    Features associated with liberal capitalism such as universal vote, trade unions, human rights, free public education, abolition of child labour etc. are not a result of capitalism per se but rather a result of struggles fought in the 19th and 20th century.

    Protip: pay particular attention to the "not" bit

    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 17, 2011, 08:57 PM
    Nothing 'free' about paying 9 grand a year to go to uni. Google something like "child sweatshops"

    This is getting kinda repetitive but - see above.
  • Re: Jack Straw says some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex
     Reply #269 - January 17, 2011, 09:44 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on January 16, 2011, 11:12 PM
    Tell me the minimum wage in your neck of the woods and I will double it if you suck my toe. Unwashed. As befitting my advanced age the toes are a little crooked and callus bitten with huge areas of sharp protrusions. And being no lover of water I usually just dip my head under the shower on the morn, curse out loudly, and jump out before the water reaches my feet.

    Delivered!
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