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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #510 - February 04, 2011, 12:19 PM

    Autocrat Action Figures

    http://www.markfiore.com/political-cartoons/watch-egypt-middle-east-revolution-mubarak-yemen-saudi-arabia-animated-video-mark-fiore-animation
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #511 - February 04, 2011, 12:40 PM

    why?  I have never come across hannity before,   is he a neocon or whats he known for?


    here's a sample of what this fucking pig spews in his shows:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA8WtrnyTA4

    Hannity, O'Reiley and Beck, those three are the main reason why FoxNews is so popular with white trash America*.

    * I use the term, white trash, to refer to those people (white or nonwhite) who are morally bankrupt yet they behave as if they have the high moral ground. Example: FUCK Iraqis and then expect them to thank you in return. It doesn’t get any trashier than that, and unfortunately, a sizable minority of Americans are becoming like that. Teabaggers are only a manifestation.  

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #512 - February 04, 2011, 12:42 PM

    Oh, btw, may Mubarak fall... soon.

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #513 - February 04, 2011, 01:12 PM

    here's a sample of what this fucking pig spews in his shows:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA8WtrnyTA4

    Hannity, O'Reiley and Beck, those three are the main reason why FoxNews is so popular with white trash America*.

    * I use the term, white trash, to refer to those people (white or nonwhite) who are morally bankrupt yet they behave as if they have the high moral ground. Example: FUCK Iraqis and then expect them to thank you in return. It doesn’t get any trashier than that, and unfortunately, a sizable minority of Americans are becoming like that. Teabaggers are only a manifestation.  

    well writing that on cemb board helps no one Debunker. As long as they are minority Americans with no political power in hands one  need not worry  and I am sure there are plenty of Americans who put Mr. Hannity where he belongs.

     I certainly like Mr. Hannity., the more he talks the more votes republicans loose in the next elections.

    But you should write letter/e-mails to this place  http://www.hannity.com/contact and other American new papers...

    see this how these guys like hannity gets the name in America

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4523348

    because of Idiots like the one above you see..   They interview such Muslim ROGUES  on  Islamic rubbish and that  London Idiot gives the credit to people like Hannity in some American minds that don't use common sense and don't have enough political background.

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #514 - February 04, 2011, 01:19 PM

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    Massive waves of euphoria are sweeping through the region now, my friends in Baghdad, Sanaa, Beirut and Damascus tell me as they sit glued to their TV screens.

    Tunisia was the start but Tunisia was far away, people said; it's small and relatively educated compared to the rest of the Arab world – but Egypt is something else. For almost two centuries Egypt was the heart of the Arab world, influencing it with cinema, music, journalism and ideology.

    A Yemeni official I talked to yesterday was so enthusiastic he called what is happening "the great Arab revolution" that will sweep away corrupted regimes – including his own, he said. "Those regimes that have been running their states like fiefdoms, looted by army generals, tribes and the sons and cousins of the president will go. After decades of stagnation the people are awake now and the days of these decayed presidents are numbered."

    The Iraqis I have talked to all expressed a sense of shame. A friend told me on the phone from Baghdad: "We Iraqis looted and gutted our museum in 2003 while the Egyptians protected theirs. They protected houses and public buildings while Baghdad was reduced to rubble within days of the fall of the regime. Egyptians love their country; they are patriotic; we weren't."

    One Egyptian embassy official put his hands on his knees and said with a shy smile: "You know the president thinks he is like a big father. He treats the people like they are his children: 'go to sleep', and they all sleep, 'wake up', and they all wake up. Things have changed: the people are no more children, and you can't boss them around. If you don't talk to them in the language of democracy you will be swept away."

    Arab kings and presidents are scrambling to appease their people: Jordan's king dismissed his government, Algeria's president said he will end emergency laws, the Yemeni president pledged not to run again. But for us Arabs, the biggest change has already happened. The holy image of his deity the ruler, surrounded by fearless, mustachioed mukhabarat officers, has been shattered.



    From http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/04/egypt-protests-day-departure-live

    GOD I FUCKING LOVE EGYPT AND EGYPTIANS!!!!!!



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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #515 - February 04, 2011, 01:37 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS4KvGFGf44

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzw5SpAZxbk


    Hats off to Egyptians  so far so good..


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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #516 - February 04, 2011, 01:47 PM

    Egyptians Must Keep out This Idiot meddling in their Politics in the name of Islam
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110204/wl_mideast_afp/egyptpoliticsunrestusiranmubarakkhamenei_20110204103140
     
    Quote

    Mubarak 'servant' of Zionists, US: Khamenei


    (Clicky for piccy!)

    TEHRAN (AFP) – Embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is a "servant" of Israel and the United States, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in his Friday prayer sermon.

    "For 30 years this country (Egypt) has been in the hands of someone who is not seeking freedom and is the enemy of those seeking freedom," Khamenei said.

    "Not only he is not anti-Zionist, but he is the companion, colleague, confidant and servant of Zionists. It is a fact that Hosni Mubarak's servitude to America has been unable to take Egypt one step towards prosperity."

    Khamenei, Iran's spiritual guide, said Israel was the country most concerned about the Arab revolts.

    "Today more than the fleeing Tunisian and Egyptian officials, Israelis and the Zionist enemies are the most worried about these events as they know if Egypt stops being their ally and take its rightful place, it would be a great event in the region," he said.


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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #517 - February 04, 2011, 01:50 PM

    Idiots going in to the crowd with Camels and Horses with Mubarak and alalallalala...   foolish..


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXwKqmDmuDs


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k0_9Y1XaC8

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #518 - February 04, 2011, 03:23 PM

    عشت يا بلدي عشت يا مصر

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #519 - February 04, 2011, 03:44 PM


    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #520 - February 04, 2011, 03:50 PM

    what are those picture about?

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #521 - February 04, 2011, 04:02 PM

    Nothing, really. Just some of the headwear some of the protesters have been pictured wearing, which was put together by somebody and uploaded to the internet.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

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    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #522 - February 04, 2011, 05:38 PM

    These revolts are doomed to fail because, even though the people are rebelling they have no leadership. The reason why certain movements such as the civil movement etc. was successful was because you had people like Martin Luther King,  to rally behind. Organization is important if you want revolts like this to make an impact. However in countries like Iran and Eygpt the government makes sure to kill and dispose of any possible leaders/influences as quickly as possible, so there will never be a Martin Luther King figure. Sadly I think this protest will go on for another week and then everyone will go home just like Iran, without change, just a mess to clean up.

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #523 - February 04, 2011, 05:48 PM

    These revolts are doomed to fail because, even though the people are rebelling they have no leadership. ...

    that is indeed a very serious problem in so-called Islam dominated nations.. I was thinking some one like this guy  http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=12&q=Ahmed+Zewail&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=fDpMTZveBoP58Abu6bmqDg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CE4QsAQwAg&biw=1280&bih=625

     will step in but times are passing away he is still not moving in.. And also worried any one goes from west to those lands will be branded as outsider irrespective the commitment and love  they have to their people.

    any way this is worth reading

    Iran and Egypt, Twin Outsiders of the Muslim World  by MOHAMAD KORRANI


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    Tahseen Bashir, the late Egyptian intellectual and erudite diplomat, once said that Egypt and Iran are the only two real countries in the region, and the rest are simply "tribes with flags."

    The cataclysmic events in Egypt have got Iranians thinking, Will the same eventually happen in Iran?

    This question is new neither to Iranians nor Egyptians. A close look at the history of the two nations reveals enough precedents to suggest that Iran will one way or another follow, or rather, sooner or later respond significantly to the events in Egypt.

    The two nations share an important legacy. They were both sites of grand and ancient empires before the Islamic conquest. The resulting "empire consciousness" always set them apart from the Muslim epicenter. Though they were vanquished militarily, they never acquiesced to the superiority of the Bedouin culture. It is not by chance that the first challenge to the Abbasid Empire emanating from the Arabian Peninsula was in the form of the Fatimid state in Egypt with Ismailism as its official religion.

    The intellectual dialogue between Fatimid Egypt and Iranians was vast and multifaceted and Iranians responded by starting their own Ismaili movement. It failed politically but succeeded culturally, producing some of the grandest works of Iranian literature and thought like the Safarnama (Book of Travels) of Nasser Khosrow, the History of Beyhaghi, and the philosophy of Avicenna.

    The Ismaili cultural movement in turn laid the groundwork for the rise of Shiism in Iran, which eventually led to the formation of the first native Iranian state after the Arab conquest, the Safavid Empire.

    The Fatimid Empire of Egypt and the Safavid Empire of Iran shared two important bequests: Both were outsiders in the Muslim world pushing against the mainstream "orthodox Islamic party line," represented by the Abbasid and Ottoman empires, and both were heirs to profound intellectual movements within the Islamic world.

    The next close encounter between Egypt and Iran was in the nineteenth and early twentieth century when the Asiatic empires of yore collapsed under the challenge of modernity at a time when the two civilizations were experimenting with nation building.

    Quote
    First, Egypt under Mohammed Ali Pasha began founding a modern state through the establishment of a professional bureaucracy, civil code of laws, secular judiciary, modern educational system, and public works. Similar to Fatimid times, Egypt became a hub for Iranian intellectual expatriates. They took the modern ideas they encountered there and exported them home though various means such as the Cairo-based Persian-language newspaper Sorraya (Pleiades), which played an important part in Iran's Constitutional Revolution.

    Mohamed Ali's reforms and state-building efforts deeply affected Egyptian society and later became the blueprint for Turkey's Kemal Ataturk and Iran's Reza Shah Pahlavi. The shared path of the two modernizing dynasties was highlighted by an intermarriage between Princess Fawzia of Egypt and Crown Prince Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the future Shah.


    The post-World War II era and the rise of nationalism in the region similarly impacted the two countries. Iran's move to nationalize its oil industry in 1951 served as a model for the 1952 Officers' Coup in Egypt and Gamal Abdel Nasser never failed to name Mohammad Mosaddegh as his role model. After Mosaddegh was deposed in a western-backed coup, Iran switched course after 1953 and followed the Egypt/Mohammed Ali development model while Egypt pursued the Iran/Mosaddegh model, putting the two countries at odds for 20 years.

    Subsequent to the failure of Nasserism in Egypt, evidenced by its military defeat in 1967, the country reverted to the Mohammed Ali, pro-Western model that had been retained as the state model throughout the Pahlavi period in Iran. That led to the eventual rapprochement of the two countries and a strong alliance and friendship between the two heads of state, the Shah and Anwar Sadat.

    In the late 1920s, the Islamic cultural authenticity movement had begun in Egypt with the formation of the Muslim Brotherhood, which played an important role in the empowerment of Gamal Abdel Nasser. Similar to the 12th-century relationship between the Fatimids of Egypt and the Ismailis in Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood in Cairo helped form secret cells in Iran that culminated in the formation of the Fedayeen of Islam, an antimodernist, militant terrorist sect. Though few in number, the Fedayeen had a formative impact on the rise of fundamentalist Islam in Iran and played a crucial role in the success of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the subsequent absolute clerical domination of the state.

    Ironically, the relationship between Mosaddegh and Nasser and the Muslim Brotherhood and the Fedayeen of Islam led to inverse outcomes in Iran and Egypt. As Nasser rode to success in Egypt, riding high on a populist movement that started in Iran, the Fedayeen triumphed in Iran fired by the ideas of a group that sprang up in Egypt. Today, the Muslim Brotherhood has shifted ideologically toward a liberal Muslim viewpoint similar to Mehdi Bazargan's anti-Shah freedom movement in pre-revolutionary Iran or Turkey's Refah (Welfare) Party, while the Fedayeen ideology has been further radicalized.

    The current epochal development in Egypt -- the swift and unexpected rise of a strong multiclass, nonviolent, nonideological, leaderless, organic movement calling for basic necessities and civil liberties -- is a virtual replica of what occurred in Iran in response to the fraudulent 2009 elections. Egyptians took to the streets for the same reasons that Iranians revolted in 2009, similarly employing the Internet -- Facebook and Twitter, in particular -- to mobilize dissent: a keystroke movement. Once again and true to the dichotomous yet wedded history of the two nations, the Iranian model appears to have gained political ground in Egypt.

    Considering the linked history of the two nations and the unusually symmetrical exchanges between these two cultural centers of the Islamic world, there is no doubt that the ball is now in Iran's court. The question is therefore not whether but when will Iran follow Egypt and in what manner.

    Quote
    Members of Tehran's political elite from every shade of the ideological rainbow have been quick to claim credit for events in Egypt, attaching it to their respective political agendas within the confines of the prevailing theocracy. What they appear not to be perceiving is that the flood of unprecedented numbers of young men and women onto the streets of Cairo and Tehran thirsty and hungry, impatient and restless for change, is not just another chapter in Islamic ideological discourse but the inauguration of a completely new era.


    These young people have no memory of the Islamic revolution or nativist nationalism or third worldist socialism. Their existence, their weight, and their inalienable civil rights are organic, overt, incontestable, realistic, and do not fit any preordained ideological narrative. They will build their future very swiftly, through the prism of modernity and in the mirror of democracy. It will only be then that the Muslim world will be truly integrated with the modern world -- or, as happened 800 years ago, the periphery will become the center.

    So i do hope for future..

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #524 - February 04, 2011, 05:52 PM

    ^ they seem to be doing a great deal better than revolutions with definitive leaders?  I expected things to get a lot nastier than they actually have by now.  Ministers have been arrested and their assets frozen, by whom?  They seem really organized, there has to be someone leading it?



    Insight by professor from Cairo University that mirrors Hassan's take on the situation.  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLhJ-8BQ34U


    and a listing of reactions to the situation from governments around the world, great resource:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_2011_Egyptian_protests
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #525 - February 04, 2011, 05:59 PM

    Yes and no.  In organizational structure you have an axis between hierarchical structures and decentralized structures. Hierarchical structures for organizations allow for more complex planning and organization while decentralized structures are difficult to take down because they don't have a "center of mass" like a hierarchical structure does.   Decentralized structures work well when their is a common broad goal and the method to achieving that goal is pretty well laid out.  HIT in the UK is an example of a decentralized organization because propogranda of the Islamist sort doesn't really require intricate planning.  The goals have already been laid out in the Quran and though a cloud network they can diffuse information.  The US military is a hierarchical structure because to coordination 1000's of people of vastly different training and all having weapons to move in a syncronized fashion takes a lot of planning and training.  

    The democracy movement in Egypt doesn't need a hierarchical structure because the goals are pretty widely known and obvious, the removal of Muburak and his political party, while the infrastructure to affect the change is already in place.  Egypt has the structures for a democracy, a relatively free press, political parties, open internet ect, so they just have to keep the structure they have and remove the president.  There doesn't need to be a "leader" in which to coalesce around because the goal is widely known and the method to achieve it is already widely known.  Plus it makes the revolution hard to take down.  Who can the president "take out " to stop the revolution? No one because there isn't any one leader or structure to take out.  He'll have to resort to wide spread violence, placation, and propaganda.  


    Iran went the "massive repression" way.  The Iranians didn't just give up, they were systematically hunted, tortured, and killed.   Their revolution was somewhat more hierarchial and what did the regime do? Threaten the leaders with prision, death of themselves and loved ones and the leaders started to sway while the thugs took care of the people on the ground.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #526 - February 04, 2011, 06:06 PM

    In an odd way the Mubarak regime has its hands tied.  Unlike Iran Mubarak has international stakeholders like the US and Europe.  He has to placate them as well.  He can't just go into crowds and shoot people or beat the thugs rushing though the crowds; that make subdue the protesters but it will destroy his credibility with the world leaders who he depends on for aid.  He tried that and lost the support of the US and Europe.  That is why he said he was stepping down in September.  That didn't placate the protesters, they were probably insulted that he would wait all the way until September, but for the US and Europe it matches their wants.  To placate the protesters while Mubarak's party continues in power keeping their interests in mind. If he didn't have to please the US and Europe as much as he as to in order to stay in power he probably would have ordered the police to openly open fire on the protesters.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #527 - February 04, 2011, 06:14 PM

    what are those picture about?



    Many injuries and fatalities yesterday and the day before were stones, rocks, concrete blocks and slabs from buildings hitting the heads. This is to protect their heads. Cairo cylcle club collected cycle helmets to give to the people.

    Mubarak thugs went onto roofs and threw them down onto the protesters - they pulled up satellite dishes of foreign broadcasts and threw them down onto the people. (They were planned, targeted and bussed in with POLICE escorts - the police are nowhere to be seen - except escorting Mubarak's thugs.)
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #528 - February 04, 2011, 06:23 PM

    so far today
    Quote
    Hundreds of thousands of anti-Mubarak protesters have again gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square to call on the president to resign on what they have termed "a day of departure".

    • The Egyptian army is manning checkpoints at all entrances to the square, searching people for weapons before allowing them in. No pro-Mubarak protesters are being allowed into the square, following days of clashes between the two groups. The atmosphere — in the square at least — has been relaxed and peaceful, although skirmishes and gunfire were reported later in central Cairo (5.18pm).

    • The Nobel peace laureate Mohamed ElBaradei has reportedly said he will not run for the Egyptian presidency in future elections (5.10pm). However, Amr Moussa, secretary general of the Arab League, who was in Tahrir Square today has reportedly suggested he is considering running for president (3.37pm).

    • Youth activists in Egypt have drawn a list of four very specific demands that they want to be met, including the dismantling of the ruling NDP government, a new constitution and the creation of a committee to have responsiblity for appointing a transitional government (5.05pm).

    • EU leaders, meeting in Brussels, have called on the Mubarak regime to begin genuine reform of the government immediately, saying "this transition process must start now". (2.52pm)



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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #529 - February 04, 2011, 06:29 PM

    In an odd way the Mubarak regime has its hands tied.  Unlike Iran Mubarak has international stakeholders like the US and Europe.  He has to placate them as well.  He can't just go into crowds and shoot people or beat the thugs rushing though the crowds; that make subdue the protesters but it will destroy his credibility with the world leaders who he depends on for aid.  He tried that and lost the support of the US and Europe.  That is why he said he was stepping down in September.  That didn't placate the protesters, they were probably insulted that he would wait all the way until September, but for the US and Europe it matches their wants.  To placate the protesters while Mubarak's party continues in power keeping their interests in mind. If he didn't have to please the US and Europe as much as he as to in order to stay in power he probably would have ordered the police to openly open fire on the protesters.  

    Not sure if he is worried about relations with his allies at this stage, self-preservation is paramount.  I think he is more worried about being prosecuted for war crimes or if he stays in Egypt, the possibility of being hung like Saddam.

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #530 - February 04, 2011, 06:34 PM

    These revolts are doomed to fail because, even though the people are rebelling they have no leadership. The reason why certain movements such as the civil movement etc. was successful was because you had people like Martin Luther King,  to rally behind. Organization is important if you want revolts like this to make an impact. However in countries like Iran and Eygpt the government makes sure to kill and dispose of any possible leaders/influences as quickly as possible, so there will never be a Martin Luther King figure. Sadly I think this protest will go on for another week and then everyone will go home just like Iran, without change, just a mess to clean up.


    The sistuation is VERY different from Iran for many reasons. This is a new generation - they have seen the events of the last 30 years - this is not 1979 - they have seen the face of Islamic regimes and theocracies.

    Also, unlike Iranian religious Muslims, Egyptian religious Muslims do not follow the clerics or give them the same sanctity or infallibility. Nor are the Shiekhs and Imams united or preach the same thing.

    As I have said even many religious Egyptians do NOT want a theocracy. There are also many, many Secularists - and have been for many years in Egypt and they know and understand what has been going on and the dangers.

    1 in 10 Egyptian is Christian. Despite the more recent friction between some - the true fact is that for hundreds of years Christian Egyptians and Muslim Egyptians have got on very well. I remember when I was in Egypt in the 70s and a Christian Coptic neighbour of my Aunt was always there and I used to be taken out by her children and they showed me arounf Cairo - they once took me to a Jewellers shop of a relative which had just opened and they had a Qari (Qur'an reciter) there on the first day as a sort of blessing for the opening - he sat there under a crucifix that was on the wall as they were Copts!

    I've said many times, Egyptians know each other well - and know their country is diverse and has a long and great pre-Islamic history that they are also very proud of.

    Egyptians on the whole have never been given to extremism despite the fact there have been groups like takfeer wal higra and Islamic Jihad - these were despised by the majority and something alien to most. Egyptians are generous, hospitable and very human and good-humoured.

    They are Egyptian first - they love their country very much - it's deep in the blood!
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #531 - February 04, 2011, 06:48 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpwKfC9OrXs

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #532 - February 04, 2011, 07:11 PM

    I hope all your family and friends are OK Hassan and that all the Egyptian people stay strong and see this thing through to, hopefully, a better life for all.   Afro


    Thanks - I have a sister and her family in Masri el-Gedida and uncle/cousins in Manial el-Roda. I've tried contacting them but heard nothing back yet.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #533 - February 04, 2011, 07:14 PM

    Quote
    Backing tyrants – or hellish wars of plunder, as in Iraq – creates far more jihadis than it suffocates. This is especially the case in Egypt, where Mubarak deliberately ensured the opposition would be Islamist to keep the US aid dollars flowing. While he utterly crushed the liberals and democrats, he kept space open for the Muslim Brotherhood because, as Imad Gad, a leading political analyst in Cairo puts it, “Mubarak wanted the [Brotherhood] to appear as the only alternative.”


    From: We all helped suppress the Egyptians. So how do we change? -by Johann Hari

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #534 - February 04, 2011, 08:01 PM

     001_wub One of my personal heroes: Nawal El-Saadawi: "50 Pounds and a Chicken to Beat Us"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1scxpmbWQ

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #535 - February 04, 2011, 08:45 PM

    A Hitchen's article

    http://www.slate.com/id/2283168/

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    The Shame Factor
    When will dictators learn not to treat their people like fools?
    By Christopher Hitchens


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    I think that the factor of indignity and shame, of the sort manifested in the anecdote above, makes a more satisfactory initial explanation. And one of the cheering and reassuring things about dictatorship is the way that it consistently fails to understand this element of the equation. How gratifying it is that all such regimes go on making the same obvious mistakes. None of them ever seems to master a few simple survival techniques: Don't let the supreme leader's extended family go on shopping sprees; don't publicly spoil some firstborn as if the people can't wait for him, too, to be proclaimed from the balcony; don't display your personal photograph all over the landscape; don't claim more than, say, 75 percent of the vote in any "election" you put on. And don't try to shut down social media: It will instantly alert even the most somnolent citizen to the fact that you are losing, or have lost, your grip.
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    People do not like to be treated like fools, or backward infants, or extras in some parade. There is a natural and inborn resistance to such tutelage, for the simple-enough reasons that young people want to be regarded as adults, and parents can't bear to be humiliated in front of their children. One of Francis Fukuyama's better observations, drawing on his study of Hegel and Nietzsche, was that history shows people just as prepared to fight for honor and recognition as they are for less abstract concepts like food or territory.

    ......


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #536 - February 04, 2011, 08:52 PM

    001_wub One of my personal heroes: Nawal El-Saadawi: "50 Pounds and a Chicken to Beat Us"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1scxpmbWQ

    Oh my goodness isn't she brave? she is fighting for 60 years..
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        Maybe America gains a lot when it exports to us arms and cars or planes, but it loses more when it does not export the best that its civilisation has produced, which is freedom and democracy and human rights. The value of America is that it should defend this product, not only in its country but throughout the world! It may harm some of its interests, but it will make gains that will live hundreds of years, for the friendship of peoples live forever, because the peoples do not die, but governments change like the winter weather.

    Those are the words of Mostafa Amin, A well known  columnist and journalist of Egypt.

    So I am very confident people of Egypt  one day will walk like Egyptians and that day is not far..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #537 - February 04, 2011, 08:54 PM


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #538 - February 04, 2011, 09:29 PM

    001_wub One of my personal heroes: Nawal El-Saadawi: "50 Pounds and a Chicken to Beat Us"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1scxpmbWQ


     Afro
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #539 - February 04, 2011, 09:59 PM

    Guardian video: Egyptians protesting in London

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/feb/04/egyptians-london-protest-mubarak-video
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