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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #30 - January 26, 2011, 10:44 AM

    Don't forget that US foreign policy is primarily geared towards their own country's interests, which means they don't give even half a crap about Mubarak.  As long as he is replaced by someone who is equally co-operative to their objectives, the US won't care either way.

    Their current reaction is probably more uncertain, because obviously they don't know who, if anybody, will be the replacement.  


    True, all they want is a "house negro" he can be secular or religious (like the saudis) they don't care, as long as he accepts their objectives.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #31 - January 26, 2011, 11:09 AM

    Wait! This is not a Jihad to rape the infidel?

    I want no part of it then.


    Lmao

    Egypt president’s son, family flee to Britain

    http://www.inewsone.com/2011/01/26/egypt-presidents-son-family-flee-to-britain/23596
    Hmm.. where did billions go? Swiss banks??

     I want all elected MNAs,  babboos of state, central govt including President of Land of Pure  + all opposition parties along with bearded baboons (~ 2000names) leave Pakistan and live in  England permanently.



    As if England doesn't have problems of its own? But the thought of bearded baboons seeking asylum is funny! Cheesy Cheesy



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #32 - January 26, 2011, 11:14 AM


    My biggest fear though is that the Islamists will try to take over - they have the organistational ability and the popular support - not because people want a Theocracy but because the people have yet to mature enough to express any sort of uprising in any other way than by justifying it by Islam being. No surprise that you can of course hear cries of "Allahu Akbar" in the crowds - you and I know that you would not expect to hear otherwise - that's natural - but doesn't mean they want a narrow theocracy - nor that they want the Ikhwan or any of the other Islamists to muscle in - but as yet they cannot express an uprising in any other way - at least most can't.

    I just hope that the more secular forces (who started this) will be able to keep the Islamists from trying to muscle in.


    I understand your fear but they have the right to participate in elections. full stop. Everyone keeps waving that boogeyman in our face which is then the excuse for supporting so-called secular totalitatian governments. Did you know that France, the land of human rights, was getting ready to ship anti-riot gear to Ben Ali on the day that he left?

    Why should neo-nazi parties be allowed to participate in Europe but somehow Islamists have to be barred from participating (Im not saying this is your position). I say no more fear mongering, if the islamists win, they win.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #33 - January 26, 2011, 11:20 AM

    Quote
    I say no more fear mongering, if the islamists win, they win.


    Hey hey we wouldn't want the 'west' to be forced to do more of this now would we?  whistling2

    http://english.aljazeera.net/palestinepapers/2011/01/2011125123356396297.html


  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #34 - January 26, 2011, 11:22 AM

    I understand your fear but they have the right to participate in elections. full stop. Everyone keeps waving that boogeyman in our face which is then the excuse for supporting so-called secular totalitatian governments. Did you know that France, the land of human rights, was getting ready to ship anti-riot gear to Ben Ali on the day that he left?

    Why should neo-nazi parties be allowed to participate in Europe but somehow Islamists have to be barred from participating (Im not saying this is your position). I say no more fear mongering, if the islamists win, they win.


    Yes, and of course I wasn't suggesting for a second that this should ever be an excuse for supporting dictators or totalitarian/corrupt govts.

    However it doesn't change the fact that this is a major concern - and past experience has shown that the Islamists are quite happy to use secularists calling for more freedom and democracy to gain power and then to betray them by imposing their own brand of totalitarianism.

    But that's something that must be left to happen. Things must be allowed to take their course as that is the only way things evolve naturally. I just hope the secularists are strong enough and have learnt from the past, not to let this happen.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #35 - January 26, 2011, 11:34 AM

    It would be very interesting to see how the Islamists would fare when in control.It's so easy to be in the opposition and make appropriate populist noises but a totally different ball game when you are in charge and are supposed to effect the changes that really matter.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #36 - January 26, 2011, 11:47 AM

    Egyptians will never put up with any sort of extreme Islamist govt.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #37 - January 26, 2011, 11:52 AM

    Egyptians will never put up with any sort of extreme Islamist govt.


    Good for them! Hope we get to see a vibrant secular government that doesn't seek supernatural help to function.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #38 - January 26, 2011, 12:11 PM

    It would be very interesting to see how the Islamists would fare when in control.It's so easy to be in the opposition and make appropriate populist noises but a totally different ball game when you are in charge and are supposed to effect the changes that really matter.


    Exactly, as far as I can see some religious parties do not have a serious political programme (other than slogans). They would be forced to make alliances with other who have institutional memory and know how to run ministries and public services.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #39 - January 26, 2011, 12:12 PM

    Egyptians will never put up with any sort of extreme Islamist govt.


    You are right of course but there will be a religious element to any egyptian government if free elections are held; and thats ok.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #40 - January 26, 2011, 12:18 PM

    Why should neo-nazi parties be allowed to participate in Europe

    In some European countries, even the mere symbols of Nazism are against the law (which, in my opinion, is a ridiculous form of censorship).
    So you might want to reformulate that in a less vague way?

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #41 - January 26, 2011, 12:46 PM

    You are right of course but there will be a religious element to any egyptian government if free elections are held


    Oh without doubt - Egyptians, are deeply religious even if the appear on the surface quite western. But even the Ihkwan have amongst them those who seek a more secular and modernist interpretation and would have no problem with a great deal of separation between religion and politics.

    Of course I'd rather they would go further and make religion a entirely private affair and keep it completely out of politics - but that's not going to happen yet - the best we can hope for is the more 'enlightened' religious elements gaining power along with secularists.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #42 - January 26, 2011, 12:47 PM

    Twitter and web video site face clampdown in Egypt

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12284649


    Egypt appears to have clamped down on web services, such as Twitter, that have been used to help organise anti-government protests in Cairo.

    Twitter confirmed that its service has been blocked in Egypt on Tuesday from around 1600GMT.

    A Swedish mobile video site called Bambuser also reported that it had been blocked around the same time.

    However, the Facebook page used to co-ordinate many of the protests has remained online.

    Facebook has not said whether it has implemented any technical measures to keep the site up and running but a spokesperson said that it was "seeing consistent levels of traffic".

    The social network, which has more than 600m users, recently was forced to intervene when it emerged that political protest pages in Tunisia were being hacked and passwords stolen, seemingly at the behest of the former government.

    The site implemented a series of technical measures to counter the attacks, including encrypting all requests for the site from within Tunisia.

    'Right to protest'
    Details of the blocks in Egypt began to emerge on Tuesday afternoon, as thousands of people joined a "day of revolt" against the government of President Hosni Mubarak.

    Initially it was unclear whether state authorities were blocking internet access or if mobile networks were simply overloaded by the numbers of people gathering in the streets.

    Twitter were at first unwilling to comment, instead directing people towards Herdict, a website created by a group at Harvard University, which collects reports of websites that are down.

    The site has seen a small spike in the number of reports about Twitter from Egypt.

    But overnight, Twitter issued a statement..

    "We can confirm that Twitter was blocked in Egypt around 8am PT today. It is impacting both Twitter.com and applications."

    The block had previously been confirmed by BBC readers and telecom operator Vodafone Egypt, which sought to reassure customers that it was not responsible.

    "We didn't block Twitter - it's a problem all over Egypt and we are waiting for a solution," it said.

    Some Twitter messages - many tagged #jan25 to show they were in support of the demonstrations - seemed to have got through via text messages and some third-party applications.

    Bambuser, a service that allows people to stream live video from a phone to a website or a Facebook page, also said that it had been hit by the ban.

    "We are working hard to ensure access resumes for the Egyptian community and stand by them in their quest for the right to protest," it said.

    Street ban
    In support of the protests, a collective of online "hacktivists" known as Anonymous claimed to have taken down the Egyptian interior ministry's web page.

    Anonymous came to prominence for its cyber-attacks on the websites of companies it deemed to be anti-Wikileaks.

    It has since turned its attention to supporting the protests in Tunisia and Egypt.

    The group uses so-called "denial-of-service" attacks, that seek to swamp websites with large volumes of traffic, until they are knocked offline.

    The group was one of many that also offered advice to the protesters on how to evade blocks on sites and services.

    However, some sites appear to have escaped the block.

    Google-owned video sharing website YouTube, which has been used to share film of the protests, has seemingly not been blocked.

    Protesters are also turning to other digital tools to help.

    For example, a map has been set up by the Arabic Network for Human Rights Information, for people to report arrests, and harassment during the protests.

    The digital blocks come as the government issued a ban on street protests.

    Public gatherings, protests and marches are all now prohibited, the country's official news agency reports.


  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #43 - January 26, 2011, 12:49 PM

    Egypt protests: Demonstrators 'face prosecution'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12283849

    Egypt is to crack down on public protest and has vowed to arrest and prosecute anyone found taking to the streets against the government.

    Public gatherings, protests and marches will no longer be tolerated, the interior ministry has said.

    The warning came as a fourth person died after nationwide protests, which were broken up with tear gas overnight.

    Medics said the injured person died in Suez, in the east of Egypt, where two protesters were killed on Tuesday.

    A police officer was also killed amid the violence in Cairo.

    Police used water cannon late on Tuesday as they forced protesters from Tahrir Square, a symbolic city centre location in the heart of Cairo.

    Protesters had been inspired by the recent uprising in Tunisia, vowing to stay until the government fell.

    Small crowds had gathered in Tahrir Square on Wednesday morning, just hours after the last protesters were removed. But there were few signs of a heavy police presence.

    Unauthorised demonstrations are illegal in Egypt, which has been ruled by President Hosni Mubarak since 1981. The government tolerates little dissent and opposition demonstrations are routinely outlawed.

    In Washington, the White House urged the Egyptian government to allow protests to go ahead, describing the situation as "an important opportunity" for the nation.

    France's foreign minister said she regretted the loss of life in Egypt but said democracy should be encouraged in all countries around the world.

    Social protesting
    Tuesday's event had been co-ordinated on a Facebook page, where the organisers said they were taking a stand against torture, poverty, corruption and unemployment.

    Continue reading the main story

    Start Quote

    We believe that the open exchange of information and views benefits societies and helps governments connect with their people”

    Official posting by Twitter
    Egypt protests face net clampdown
    They said that the rally would mark "the beginning of the end".

    The BBC's Jon Leyne, in Cairo, said that it had been unclear how many people would respond to the online call, but in the end, the turnout was more than the organisers could have hoped.

    Police were taken aback by the anger of the crowd and let protesters make their way to Tahrir Square near the parliament building, he says.

    Microblogging site Twitter also played a key part, with supporters inside and outside Egypt using the search term #jan25 to post news of the day.

    However, Twitter confirmed later on Tuesday that it had been blocked inside Egypt from 1600 GMT, meaning many were unable to post updates from the scene.

    "We believe that the open exchange of information and views benefits societies and helps governments connect with their people," Twitter said on its official account.

    There have been renewed calls for protest on Wednesday, but there is no indication yet whether they will attract large crowds.

    'Mubarak the coward'
    The crowd's anger was largely focused on the president on Tuesday, with thousands calling for his resignation and "Down with Mubarak" scrawled on the walls of buildings.

    But at 0100 local time (2300 GMT Tuesday) police moved in, firing tear gas and driving protesters into nearby streets. There were reports that some people had been beaten by police.


    There have been suggestions protesters will try to gather for a second day
    "It got broken up ugly with everything, shooting, water cannon and [police] running with the sticks," one of the last protesters to leave, Gigi Ibrahim, told the Associated Press.

    Protests were also held out in other areas of the country on Tuesday, including the eastern city of Ismailiya.

    Thousands joined protests in the northern port city of Alexandria, some chanting: "Revolution, revolution, like a volcano, against Mubarak the coward."

    In Washington, the White House said Egypt's government had "an important opportunity to be responsive to the aspirations of the Egyptian people".

    In a statement, it said Egypt should "pursue political, economic and social reforms that can improve their lives and help Egypt prosper".

    "The United States is committed to working with Egypt and the Egyptian people to advance these goals," it added.

    'Rudderless' opposition
    The Egyptian government said it had allowed Tuesday's protesters "to voice their demands and exercise their freedom of expression".

    It blamed the violence on the banned Islamist movement the Muslim Brotherhood, although they were reported to have been ambivalent about the protests.

    One opposition leader, Mohamed ElBaradei, had called on Egyptians to take part in the protests.

    Tunisia's President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali was ousted from power and fled the country earlier this month, after weeks of protests in which dozens of people were killed.

    Egypt has many of the same social and political problems that brought about the unrest in Tunisia - rising food prices, high unemployment and anger at official corruption.

    However, the population of Egypt has a much lower level of education than Tunisia. Illiteracy is high and internet penetration is low.

    There are deep frustrations in Egyptian society, our Cairo correspondent says, adding that Egypt is widely seen to have lost power, status and prestige in the three decades of President Mubarak's rule.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #44 - January 26, 2011, 01:12 PM

    Egypt: Al-Qaida attempting to establish terror cells in Gaza  says Juice..

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/egypt-al-qaida-attempting-to-establish-terror-cells-in-gaza-1.339094?localLinksEnabled=false

    Quote
    Egypt interior minister says 19 Al-Qaida suspects were arrested for planning suicide bombings at holy places in Egypt, including one who is suspected to have received instruction in Gaza for New Year's Eve church bombing. Al-Qaida is trying to establish terror cells in the Gaza Strip, Egypt's interior minister said in an interview Tuesday, in which he also said that Egyptian security forces had arrested 19 suspected al-Qaida militants.

    General Habib al-Adli told Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram that Al-Qaida militants were entering the strip through tunnels near the southern city of Rafah. Hamas, the Islamist group which rules Gaza, is trying to prevent the establishment of the cells, Adli said, adding that it was in Egypt's interest to destroy these tunnels.

    Hmm.. is that a juice news.. or news of Paharas??

    No..no..no we can not arrest such Allah loving people ., They should have freedom, Vote freely to elect their leader and they should have freedom to meet allah doll  and take some along with them..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #45 - January 26, 2011, 01:25 PM

    In some European countries, even the mere symbols of Nazism are against the law (which, in my opinion, is a ridiculous form of censorship).
    So you might want to reformulate that in a less vague way?


    Neo-Nazi is an adequate term in my opinion but it doesnt have to be nazi, in france Arlette Laguillier leads a stalinist party while the MNR is a good old white racist party.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #46 - January 26, 2011, 01:48 PM

    I don't see any beards in this., Glad the  brothelhood of Islam is missing here.,   I am glad to see this protest..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WNTE_uqHqw

    Why these idiots police firing in to crowd?? people are just shouting..   But this is a very good news.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/4736358/Al-Qaeda-founder-launches-fierce-attack-on-Osama-bin-Laden.html

    Al-Qaeda founder launches fierce attack on Osama bin Laden

    Quote
    One of al-Qaeda's founding leaders, Dr Fadl, has begun an ideological revolt against Osama bin Laden, blaming him for "every drop" of blood spilt in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Sayyid Imam al-Sharif, who goes by the nom de guerre Dr Fadl, helped bin Laden create al-Qaeda and then led an Islamist insurgency in Egypt in the 1990s.

    But in a book written from inside an Egyptian prison, he has launched a frontal attack on al-Qaeda's ideology and the personal failings of bin Laden and particularly his Egyptian deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    Twenty years ago, Dr Fadl became al-Qaeda's intellectual figurehead with a crucial book setting out the rationale for global jihad against the West.

    Today, however, he believes the murder of innocent people is both contrary to Islam and a strategic error. "Every drop of blood that was shed or is being shed in Afghanistan and Iraq is the responsibility of bin Laden and Zawahiri and their followers," writes Dr Fadl.

    The terrorist attacks on September 11 were both immoral and counterproductive, he writes. "Ramming America has become the shortest road to fame and leadership among the Arabs and Muslims. But what good is it if you destroy one of your enemy's buildings, and he destroys one of your countries? What good is it if you kill one of his people, and he kills a thousand of yours?" asks Dr Fadl. "That, in short, is my evaluation of 9/11."

    well I agree with him partly if not fully., You can not just blame uncles Osama  or uncle baboon., There is system that generates these baboons that need to be changed.. And I am very confident internet will shave these baboons and shave their brains.   What all needed is " PROTECT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AT ANY COST"

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #47 - January 26, 2011, 01:59 PM

    Neo-Nazi is an adequate term in my opinion but it doesnt have to be nazi, in france Arlette Laguillier leads a stalinist party while the MNR is a good old white racist party.

    What do you mean with neo-Nazi then?
    Anything xenophobic?

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #48 - January 26, 2011, 05:27 PM

    Egyptians will never put up with any sort of extreme Islamist govt.

    The same thing could've been said about Iranians in 1979. Look how Iran is now.  Wink
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #49 - January 26, 2011, 05:56 PM

    Qman sent me this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgh1iOXI6sQ
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #50 - January 26, 2011, 07:52 PM


    Q-man - do you think they will topple Mubarak -  If so do you think Islamists will end up in charge?

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #51 - January 26, 2011, 08:22 PM

    Fresh protests in Egyptian cities

    26 January 2011 Last updated at 16:30

    Link has video of todays unrest.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12288996

    Police have clashed with anti-government protesters in two major Egyptian cities following Tuesday's unprecedented protests.

    Police broke up a demonstration in central Cairo, beating protesters with batons.

    Demonstrators also gathered in the eastern city of Suez. Meanwhile security officials said at least 500 people had been arrested in a crackdown against the protests
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #52 - January 26, 2011, 08:25 PM

    I just heard news that Facebook has been blocked in Egypt -  Is that true?

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #53 - January 26, 2011, 08:26 PM

    Demonstrators also gathered in the eastern city of Suez. Meanwhile security officials said at least 500 people had been arrested in a crackdown against the protests

    They be stuck for space in the jails soon, as well as their ability to mann them

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #54 - January 26, 2011, 08:30 PM

    fuck corruption

    في قلبي يا مصر و نيليك بيجري في دمي

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #55 - January 26, 2011, 08:30 PM

    I want to hug this man.

    As the water cannon raced in to chase demonstrators away - he ran towards it and stood in front of it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNcTz1Eqar0
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #56 - January 26, 2011, 08:38 PM

    I think someone just discovered a design flaw  Smiley

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #57 - January 26, 2011, 08:42 PM

    yeah, I think a bloke in a car with a hosepipe would be more effective that than heap of metal

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #58 - January 26, 2011, 08:45 PM

    for all arabic speakers
     this is a minute by minute update

    http://dostor.org/politics/egypt/11/january/26/35747

    it is great i used it in school today and im still using it

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #59 - January 26, 2011, 08:51 PM

    Thanks Kod  Afro
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