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 Topic: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #180 - January 29, 2011, 02:28 PM

    I'm thinking that maybe we should start discerning between a towelhead and a Muslim in the same way as Chris Rock did between 'Niggas and Black People'.

    In that sense, you'd be a towelhead.

     Cheesy

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #181 - January 29, 2011, 02:34 PM

    (Reuters) - A senior Egyptian military official intends to return home on Friday from the United States, cutting short a visit for defense talks as unrest sweeps his country, the Pentagon said.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/28/us-egypt-usa-military-idUSTRE70R7E220110128

    I wonder what the army will do.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #182 - January 29, 2011, 02:35 PM


    Getting back on topic. This is from The Times, by Maajid Nawaz. Its behind a paywall, but I'm pasting it from the Rupert Murdoch paywall-busting Harry's Place.

    ++++++++++++

    You may have looked on in pleasant surprise as the Arab youth of Tunisia spontaneously rose up to remove their ruler of 23 years, President Ben Ali. Not many of us know much about Tunisia. But now the flames of democratic revolution have spread to Egypt, we are really paying attention. Egypt is where we go on holiday; we study Egyptian history at school. And Egypt is now ablaze.

    For me there is more to it. Having served five years in Egypt as an Amnesty International-adopted prisoner of conscience, and survived the infamous Egyptian state torture, for me it’s personal.

    During my youth I belonged to Hizb ut-Tahrir, an extreme yet non-violent Islamist organisation calling for the creation of a global Islamist superstate. In my zeal, before the 9/11 attacks, I had tried to revive this group in Egypt. I have long since left Hizb ut-Tahrir and now work for democratic revival in Muslim-majority countries, but I am still barred from going back to Egypt. Unless regime change comes, I am unlikely to be able to return to meet those of my friends who are spearheading this revolution.

    Every revolt requires a spark, but Egypt’s flint was slightly damp. It took the uprising in Tunisia to convince young Egyptians that they could shake the throne of their “elected” President.
    They already had a symbolic figurehead. The most popular Facebook group co-ordinating this uprising was set up in the name of Khalid Said, one of the many young men tortured to death by Egypt’s brutal state police.

    I’ve been dragged through the dungeons of Egypt’s underground state security headquarters myself. The infamous al-Gihaz sits in the middle of Cairo and inspires fear in all who walk past. Anyone taken into al-Gihaz is immediately blindfolded, numbered and then has to listen as colleagues are tortured, one by one, in chronological order. My number was 42. The detainee is stripped, and then electricity is applied to the teeth, genitalia and other sensitive areas.

    During my time there, wives were tortured to force husbands to confess, and children as young as 15 to force parents to confess.
    Every revolt requires agitators. Using social networking as well as “resistance tactics”, the April 6 Youth movement has galvanised the young into action. This group is led by my friend Ahmed Salah. Until yesterday, Ahmed had been detained, but friends say that he has been released — this time only with a broken nose. As I write, he is probably back on the streets, taking part in demonstrations, though internet disruption will have made this more difficult.

    Every uprising also needs leaders. The leftist and popular Ahmed Saif, my lawyer during my trial, is at the forefront of the Egyptian Kifaya, or “enough is enough” movement. The former presidential challenger, Ayman Nour, of the Tomorrow Party, is also a popular symbol of hope. For years Western foreign policy wonks have scared advocates for change in Egypt by arguing that it can only come about through Islamists. This in turn has bolstered defenders of the status quo. My brave democratic friends in Egypt are now showing the world that there is a third way, and that Muslims too can fight for democracy. With or without our support, sooner or later, change will come.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #183 - January 29, 2011, 02:43 PM

    Some of the worst jails and torture happen in muslim countries:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-arabs-have-their-gulags-too-1968252.html
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #184 - January 29, 2011, 02:51 PM

    According to AJE 1 bearded guy has spoken:

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #185 - January 29, 2011, 03:20 PM

    Yes people have long been angry and fed up with the govt and the corruption and the brutal suppression of freedom etc... but what's changed is a new internet generation able to speak freely and exchange ideas and organise as never before and they want to have that freedom.


    Incredible how these new technologies are influencing and changing societies and generations. I've said it before on here, the free exchange of ideas and information that the internet and other new  communications represents is a real step change in our consciousness and experience.

    My only hope is that the Ikhwan don't usurp these protests or seize power. Egyptians deserve better than that.

    The problem is that successive regimes have so mangled social organising in order to muzzle dissent that infrastructures for protest and democracy have been handicapped, that the protest might fracture because the oppressiveness has cripples the bodies for social activism. Hopefully thats not the case, and that if Mubarak goes the army don't just take over or put a puppet in place and rule from behind the throne.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #186 - January 29, 2011, 03:58 PM

    Yesterday on my way home from work I was listening to BBC4 and they interviewed Butros Butros Gali. I didn't quite agree on his general take on the protests but he did say something I found interesting.
    He mentioned that due to the population explosion in Egypt the country is likely to have huge issues with providing enough food to the growing population and especially with drinking water supply. He even suggested that Egypt should implement a cap on a number of children per family (similar to what China did).

    Does anybody know if overpopulation in Egypt and issues stemming from it are as acute as claimed by Butros Butros Gali?
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #187 - January 29, 2011, 04:14 PM

    My only hope is that the Ikhwan don't usurp these protests or seize power. Egyptians deserve better than that.


    They won't  Smiley Like Pakistan the military has the final word but they're no way as religious as the Pakistan military. Its amazing isn't it, the top 3 military powers in the muslim world are a) extremely secular (Turkey) b) In the middle (Egypt) and c) Religious (Pakistan) and all 3 are awesome  001_wub

    Having said that the Egyptian military can become a threat to Israel once again:

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #188 - January 29, 2011, 04:32 PM

    now what is going on in egypt is stupid.

    thugs are robbing every atm or bank or anyplace that would have valuable things in it , no police to stop them anymore, just educated protesters are doing their best to stop it by making human shields etc

    people are burning everything.

    but then when you look at it who created those thugs ? the horrible education , the horrible jobs , the lack of money

    I can't blame the thugs for not trying to steal since it is in their blood but I would blame mubarak for not leaving yet and stopping this anarchy

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #189 - January 29, 2011, 04:37 PM

    They won't  Smiley Like Pakistan the military has the final word but they're no way as religious as the Pakistan military. Its amazing isn't it, the top 3 military powers in the muslim world are a) extremely secular (Turkey) b) In the middle (Egypt) and c) Religious (Pakistan) and all 3 are awesome  001_wub

    I find your military fetishism interesting.
    Do you believe that government or people of a country should maintain a strong military capability and be prepared to use it aggressively to defend or promote national interests?

    Having said that the Egyptian military can become a threat to Israel once again

    The outcome of the first clash of the two was expansion of Israel and the outcome of the second one was the established Israel as the premier military power in the region.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #190 - January 29, 2011, 04:49 PM

    It depends on what you mean by "national interests" if those interests are say oil or wanting to establish a military base in a certain region that happens to be in another continent then no. If the interest is defending yourself and making your nation prosperous then yes most definitely.

    Israel has never had to sustain a long war and its military superiority is diminishing (if they use nukes they're really stupid) their failure to subdue the Lebanese resistance is proof of that and what with relations with Turkey going cold, they might not even have a supply route via the Mediterranean. Just put the pricks under a siege for a few years and bob's your uncle  parrot
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #191 - January 29, 2011, 04:53 PM

    oh thamina Smiley... do you really think someone in the region can really pose a real threat to Israel? lol... Even if somehow israel really screws a possible future war (not possible but for the sake of argument), do you really think that USA and other Israeli allies will chill out and not do anything? LoL.

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #192 - January 29, 2011, 05:15 PM

    The US?  Cheesy Look at Iraq and who's in power there; Pro-Iranian shias who were once called "terrorists" for blowing up the American Embassy in Kuwait. Look at the situation in Afghanistan. My point is the US is in no position to get into another war esp. one that would be seen as directly supporting the Israeli occupation via military actions.

    Quote
    Even if somehow israel really screws a possible future war (not possible but for the sake of argument)


    Shows how very little you know  Wink In 2006 the IDF crossed in Lebanon wanting to destroy the resistance, they returned like cowards losing dozens of tanks, having a ship badly damaged and losing a lot of soldiers. On the other hand most of the Lebanese killed civilians. The loss was something Israelis and IDF generals themselves admitted:

    Quote
    "We did not win this war, and it is proper that those who directed it should take responsibility."


    http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-general-urges-army-chief-to-quit-his-post-over-failure-of-war-1.200501

    Quote
    "It's not a victory at all," said Ziona Dotan, 50, who returned to her rocket-damaged apartment in the hard-hit northern town of Kiryat Shmona on Wednesday. "It's going backwards. They keep getting more weapons. I don't see what we got out of this. Many people were killed, and what was it all for?"

    An Israeli radio poll released Thursday found that 28 percent of the 513 respondents believed Israel won, 24 percent believed Hezbollah won, and 36 percent thought neither side came out on top. The poll had a margin of sampling error of 4.5 percentage points. Two polls released Wednesday showed similar results.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/18/world/africa/18iht-web.0818israel.2526690.html?_r=1
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #193 - January 29, 2011, 05:47 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThvBJMzmSZI&feature=player_embedded
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #194 - January 29, 2011, 05:48 PM

    The US and it's friends do not need to do much, except bomb the shit out of egypt until israel occupies all of the sinai and stops at the canal (if in the very unlikely event israel does not manage to do it by themselves)... taking Sinai is the only thing that Israel needs to do in order to make Egypt nonthreatening ...

    As for hesbollah "wining" , you got to be kidding me Smiley... Not wining a war (achieving the objectives), is not equal to loosing it my dear... there is a 3-d option, return to the status quo and damage done to south Lebanon is much higher than any damage done to the Israeli army.

    If this hypothetical shit we are talking about hit's the fan, we will be here and see what will happen...

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #195 - January 29, 2011, 05:50 PM

    Just put the pricks under a siege for a few years and bob's your uncle  parrot

    What do you mean by that? How would a siege help the Palestinians not to mention the Israelis that want peace?
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #196 - January 29, 2011, 05:52 PM


    Great video IA.

    "We will not be silenced. whether you're a Christian, whether you're a Muslim, whether you're an Atheist, you will demand your goddamn rights, and we will have our rights, one way or the other! We will never be silenced!" 0:45

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=14412.msg396729#msg396729
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #197 - January 29, 2011, 05:56 PM

    FUck you billy you stupid fuck.

    I love how you keep mentioning a comment about blacks (I noticed you never provided any counter-argument apart from your bullshit outrage) while remaining silent when people refer to Muslims as towelhead. You hypocrite motherfucker


    Fuck you too and take billy the bitch with you


    Ive never said that, so you can suck my circumcised dick


    Here's goat and baboon boy with his piercing insights.

    Go back to defending Ali Sina on faithfreedom

    Fucking moron


    AW is going on a long-overdue, indefinite ban for repeated personal abuse. If you don't know how to have a conversation without blowing your top, stay out of public places and this forum especially.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #198 - January 29, 2011, 06:06 PM

    LOOOOL

    Poor Arab boy. I liked him. True enough, he was fond of raining down the F-bomb on the Murtadeen, and he and I have butted heads on occasion although I'm certain he was really trying to kiss me, but deep beneath that rough exterior is a heart beating with love and Christian charity. Let the rascal in!

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #199 - January 29, 2011, 06:09 PM

    EGYPT: Opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei accuses U.S. of dropping the ball

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/01/egypt-opposition-mohamed-elbaradei-accuses-united-state-dropping-ball.html

    Quote
    Egyptian dissident Mohamed ElBaradei called the U.S. position on the Egyptian crisis a disappointment and condemned Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's early Satruday morning speech as "almost an insult to the intelligence of the Egyptian people."

    ElBaradei also said in an interview with the English-language segment of France 24 that he would continue to speak out against Mubarak's regime, whether he was under house arrest or not, until the president leaves office.  

    "I will continue to participate in whatever it takes to make sure that the Mubarak regime should leave," he said. "I think that there is a consensus here in Egypt in every part of society that this is a regime that is dictatorial, that has failed to deliver on economic, social or political fronts and that we need a new beginning, an Egypt that is free, that is democratic and we need to go through a transitional period."

    ElBaradei said Egyptians had hoped that Mubarak would have announced his resignation earlier on Saturday, "but at the last minute he came out with an empty statement which was a huge disappointment to the Egyptian people."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA0hxCY5zfA

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #200 - January 29, 2011, 06:11 PM

    Oh great, a thread about the uprising in Cairo, and a historic push for freedom and democracy of the Egyptian people turns into a manifesting of Aphrodite's militaristic wet war dreams and fantasies  wacko

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #201 - January 29, 2011, 06:22 PM

    Quote
    Wired.com - Does Obama’s ‘Net Freedom Agenda’ Hurt The U.S.?

    On Thursday, President Obama declared access to social networks to be a “universal” value, right alongside freedom of speech. But when those networks helped weaken Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, one of the U.S.’ strongest allies in the Middle East, the Obama team demanded Mubarak turn the Egyptian Internet back on — but didn’t abandon support for him, either. Maybe this “Internet Freedom Agenda” wasn’t so well thought out?

    For more than a year, the White House has been pushing the idea that online connections are a good thing — no matter what’s said using those tools. It’s a way of signaling to wired people, not just governments, that the U.S. is on their side. The Obama administration called for Twitter to stay online during 2009 protests in Iran, and U.S. cash for new social networks like Pakistan’s Humari Awaz and SMS relief webs for Haitian earthquake victims. “The very existence of social networks,” State Department tech adviser Alec Ross said, “is a net good.”

    Now comes the test. The Internet Freedom Agenda may have just undermined an ugly pillar of the U.S.’ Mideast strategy — supporting dictators — without doing much to aid the discontented millions that might replace it. While Obama tepidly calls on Mubarak to let people keep tweeting, Egyptian protesters may want the U.S. ”to completely get out of the picture,” as one told al-Jazeera. “Just cut aid to Mubarak immediately and withdraw backing from him, withdraw from all Middle Eastern bases, and stop supporting the state of Israel.”

    That’s exactly what Mubarak never demanded — and why the U.S. fears what comes next. ”The traditional debate is that we’re willing to use these tyrants because they’re useful,” explains Marc Lynch, a George Washington University political scientist. “But if we continue to see developments like those we’ve seen over the last couple weeks, if they can’t hold on to power, it doesn’t matter if they’re useful in counterterrorism.”

    Not that the U.S. did much to persuade Egyptian protesters it’s on their side. The Obama team “could have come a lot stronger, prevented the Egyptian government from the crackdown on Internet communication, but they didn’t,” says Sherif Mansour from the human-rights group Freedom House. That makes Obama look either impotent or callous.

    And it shows the Internet Freedom Agenda to be a dodge. The heart of the issue is whether the U.S. actually sides with the protests spreading around the Arab world — first Tunisia, now Egypt, and in Jordan and Yemen as well. Asking Mubarak to bring back the Internet pales in comparison to the annual $1.3 billion in U.S. military aid he receives.

    “The Internet Freedom Agenda, to the extent it matters, it matters on the margin,” says Lynch. “Those like Alec Ross, they were right analytically about how important the new media are for changing how the youth engage in politics… but it’s part of a broader political context.”

    And if this conundrum looks bad in Egypt, it appears downright horrific in a place like Yemen, where the U.S. is fighting a shadow war against an al-Qaeda franchise with the backing of the dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh. “The obvious dilemma is if Saleh is overthrown we lose a partner in counterterrorism, just like we lost [Tunisian leader] Ben Ali, just like Mubarak,” Lynch says. So will Obama side with Yemeni protesters, who might not want U.S. cruise missiles and commandos in their country?

    Promoting Internet freedom doesn’t answer that question. Al-Jazeera today quoted an analyst who noted that the Egyptian protesters have “moved from Facebook to… people-book.” Social media, in other words, isn’t enough to topple a government, but it is enough to weaken one. On the flip side, promoting social media while also supporting repressive governments empowers dissidents without giving them any reason to sympathize with U.S. interests. Who are you going to call when you need to launch a drone strike?

    So far, the U.S. is trying to have it both ways. Obama’s spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said Friday that Internet communication is in the “fundamental basket” of freedoms the U.S. supports. Yet after days of silence, Mubarak finally issued a statement on the protests — and indicated he has no intention of stepping down.

    It’s recalibration time for the Obama administration. Its posture so far isn’t earning it much goodwill from the people who might take the place of the region’s dictators, no matter how much the U.S. stands up for their right to tweet.

    source: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/does-obamas-internet-freedom-agenda-hurt-the-u-s-without-helping-dissidents/


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #202 - January 29, 2011, 06:30 PM



    Thanks IA  Afro I wanted to make a vid like this - but have mirrored it instead. Smiley
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #203 - January 29, 2011, 07:08 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQD-X9G9xfk

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #204 - January 29, 2011, 07:16 PM

    Democracy for the Egyptians NOW!!!
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #205 - January 29, 2011, 07:48 PM







    see more at
    http://totallycoolpix.com/2011/01/the-egypt-protests/

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #206 - January 29, 2011, 09:43 PM

    The US and it's friends do not need to do much, except bomb the shit out of egypt until israel occupies all of the sinai and stops at the canal (if in the very unlikely event israel does not manage to do it by themselves)... taking Sinai is the only thing that Israel needs to do in order to make Egypt nonthreatening ...

    As for hesbollah "wining" , you got to be kidding me Smiley... Not wining a war (achieving the objectives), is not equal to loosing it my dear... there is a 3-d option, return to the status quo and damage done to south Lebanon is much higher than any damage done to the Israeli army.

    If this hypothetical shit we are talking about hit's the fan, we will be here and see what will happen...


    Bombing the shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan really worked didn't it?  whistling2 Yeah taking the Sinai is soo easy isn't it? The IDF couldn't even enter the centre of Gaza  Cheesy This isn't the 60s where the IDF was really superior. I never said Hezbollah won  Tongue Not achieving its objectives is a failure in my book.  Yeah attack villages and civilian infrastructure how 'honourable' of the IDF. And yes we will see.......
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #207 - January 29, 2011, 09:44 PM

    Oh great, a thread about the uprising in Cairo, and a historic push for freedom and democracy of the Egyptian people turns into a manifesting of Aphrodite's militaristic wet war dreams and fantasies  wacko


    Says the one who was arguing on here.....
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #208 - January 29, 2011, 09:46 PM

    A military commander giving a message to the people:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2VabpLtMHw
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #209 - January 29, 2011, 09:54 PM

    Bombing the shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan really worked didn't it?  whistling2 Yeah taking the Sinai is soo easy isn't it? The IDF couldn't even enter the centre of Gaza  Cheesy This isn't the 60s where the IDF was really superior. I never said Hezbollah won  Tongue Not achieving its objectives is a failure in my book.  Yeah attack villages and civilian infrastructure how 'honourable' of the IDF. And yes we will see.......


    yeah it got them occupied so it worked Smiley.... Second in the case of egypt the strategic bombing would be more than enough to make it sure that the IDF gets Sinai Smiley... If you think that IDF cant take Gaza you are really deluded my girl.. IDF won't take it because that means shooting hundreds of thousands of people. And they can't afford bad press now... But in a case of an all-time war IDF wont give much crap about public relations if you know what i mean Smiley...

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

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