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 Topic: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'

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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #390 - February 01, 2011, 04:35 PM

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7305150n&tag=related;photovideo

    Council of Foreign Relations says its a matter of when not if we have Mubarak steps down. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #391 - February 01, 2011, 04:35 PM

    Anyone who speaks Arabic, this website needs your help translating the speech to tweet of the Egyptians

    http://egypt.alive.in/get-involved/


    I tried to make some corrections, but find the process confusing - I don't understand how it works - and I've read the instructions several times. Seems they are all done now so will check back later.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #392 - February 01, 2011, 04:38 PM

    Cool, I got it from Zeba Khan so I am betting it is an ad hoc third party process.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #393 - February 01, 2011, 04:45 PM

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/01/AR2011020100903.html

    Looters included undercover Egyptian police, hospitals tell Human Rights Watch



    By Leila Fadel
    Tuesday, February 1, 2011; 8:36 AM
    CAIRO - Human Rights Watch confirmed several cases of undercover police loyal to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's regime committing acts of violence and looting in an attempt to stoke fear of instability as demonstrations grew stronger Tuesday against the autocratic leader.

    Peter Bouckaert, the emergency director at Human Rights Watch, said hospitals confirmed that they received several wounded looters shot by the army carrying police identification cards. They also found several cases of looters and vandals in Cairo and Alexandria with police identification cards. He added that it was "unexplainable" that thousands of prisoners escaped from prisons over the weekend.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #394 - February 01, 2011, 05:04 PM

    People's Revolt: ElBaradei 'just another puppet' in Egypt


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg6QTL8QjU4

    well there  goes  our prediction  down the drain about  ElBaradei

    That is it any one who lived  in US or uk ..that is a dead end for them in Egypt..  lol..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #395 - February 01, 2011, 05:49 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21qY-Owc9n4
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #396 - February 01, 2011, 06:01 PM

    lol protester cat says "Goz Away Mooburrak"

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #397 - February 01, 2011, 06:04 PM

    Have you seen the video with the women in full burkha screaming in support of Mubarak???
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #398 - February 01, 2011, 06:04 PM

    linky please Smiley

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #399 - February 01, 2011, 06:12 PM

    I have only seen it on AlJazeera. Can't find it on the net
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #400 - February 01, 2011, 06:20 PM



    Wonderful vid, Nesrin - bless her and bless all the young people who made this revolution happen and I wish with all my heart that their aspirations come true and that the more backward and regressive elements are kept at bay.

    I think I might mirror this (unless you are going to.)
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #401 - February 01, 2011, 07:59 PM

    Just saw one protester saying he wants freedom and rights for everyone:

    "Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Bahai, Gay, Lesbian, Transexual...."

    Well I wish! But - for the last 3 at least - he may be expecting a little too much.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #402 - February 01, 2011, 08:57 PM

    The groundswell of protest knows what its against, but does the country know what it wants beyond Mubarak? So many interesting questions, so few ...
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #403 - February 01, 2011, 09:30 PM

    Clever speech that Mubarak's advisers helped him write - but not enough - they want him to go now - no stopping them now!
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #404 - February 01, 2011, 09:31 PM

    Just saw one protester saying he wants freedom and rights for everyone:

    "Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Bahai, Gay, Lesbian, Transexual...."

    Well I wish! But - for the last 3 at least - he may be expecting a little too much.


    Yup a leap too far for Muslims in 2011. Maybe 2040-50?

    Through Logic, truth can be ascertained.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #405 - February 01, 2011, 09:34 PM

    The groundswell of protest knows what its against, but does the country know what it wants beyond Mubarak? So many interesting questions, so few ...


    All the Egyptians I have spoken to and heard say the same thing - they want democracy, freedom and dignity - a more humane govt - so they can be what they want. Egyptians know that they are a diverse lot - they will not try to impose one thing on anyone.

    I really believe and have faith in the Egyptian people - they will not allow dark forces to take control.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #406 - February 01, 2011, 09:40 PM

    hmmmmm i wonder if this speech/promise will inflate the number and force of the Protest.... I think he made a nice deal to the people since a transitional period and smooth transition would not be bad....  But it all depends on how the crowds will behave the next days...

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #407 - February 01, 2011, 09:56 PM

    hmmmmm i wonder if this speech/promise will inflate the number and force of the Protest.... I think he made a nice deal to the people since a transitional period and smooth transition would not be bad....  But it all depends on how the crowds will behave the next days...



    There's no going back now, Bardhi_i_zi - they want him to go NOW! No-one trust a word he says.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #408 - February 01, 2011, 09:57 PM

    All the Egyptians I have spoken to and heard say the same thing - they want democracy, freedom and dignity - a more humane govt - so they can be what they want.


    Yes, but is there a party/movement/organization that can ensure that ? The only movement that seems organized is the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Is El Baradei the answer ? He doesn´t have a party or a party program does he ?

    As MAB says, they know what they are against, but they seem to lack someone or something to rally round and put instead of Mubarak.

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #409 - February 01, 2011, 10:01 PM

    Yes, but is there a party/movement/organization that can ensure that ? The only movement that seems organized is the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Is El Baradei the answer ? He doesn´t have a party or a party program does he ?

    As MAB says, they know what they are against, but they seem to lack someone or something to rally round and put instead of Mubarak.


    Even the MB know the Egyptian people. We know each other, Paloma - we are not idiots.

    Wait and see!
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #410 - February 01, 2011, 10:05 PM

    @Paloma

    Hassan is a crazed optimist who believes that ElBaradei is going to bring in the New Jerusalem. The man is fetched by Messianic visions which, sprouting mighty wings, shall soar upwards and onwards till it comes thumping down. I will laugh.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #411 - February 01, 2011, 10:08 PM

    @Paloma
     I will laugh.


    You bad.

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #412 - February 01, 2011, 10:17 PM

    @Paloma

    Hassan is a crazed optimist who believes that ElBaradei is going to bring in the New Jerusalem. The man is fetched by Messianic visions which, sprouting mighty wings, shall soar upwards and onwards till it comes thumping down. I will laugh.


    You wait and see - Egyptians are decent and intelligent people - they will not fall for all that Islamist bullshit.

     Tongue
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #413 - February 01, 2011, 10:55 PM



    I just stumbled across this on a Danish blog. As mentionned below the article is not online so I don´t know if it is the full article, as I don´t subscribe to the paper issue of Jyllandsposten.

    Flemming Rose was the Cultural Editor of Jyllandsposten who was responsible for printing the Mohammed cartoons.

    I thought the article was quite a propos of posts upthread.

    Quote
    Iran '79: "We had a genuine desire for freedom ... but we did not know what freedom entails."

    Flemming  Rose comments on the developments in Egypt in today's Jyllands Posten - Arabic youthrebellion (not online).

    "A few years ago I met, in the Dutch university town of Leiden, with Afshin Ellian, an Iranian-born philosopher, who as a young man participated in the revolutionary upheavals in Iran in 1979. Ellian was  leftwing  and marched for freedom in Tehran's streets, but like most of his peers, he had only vague ideas about what this meant in practice.

    "We shouted  for freedom, but if someone had asked me what it meant I would have been unable to give a satisfactory answer ..." said Ellian ...

    I was reminded of Ellian, after following the recent demonstrations in the Arab world. The Arab youth rebellion must have reminded  Ellian of the tragic events in his native country 30 years ago.

    Demonstrators in Cairo know what they are against, and it is admirable to follow the fearlessness with which they challenge Mubarak and his police state, but so far we have not heard so much about how the nice slogans are to be realized.

    In January 2009, Ellian saw a connection between his generation´s ignorance of democracy and the debate now going on in Europe about Islam.

    " We had a sincere and burning desire for freedom, but we did not know what freedom entails." This  is the debate that is ongoing in Europe now, because many Muslims are in the same situation as in Iran in the 1970 's and 1980' s . Many Muslims do not understand that the price of freedom is that others may disagree with what you believe and that they can criticize your ideology and cultural background.
    [.
    Egypt and other countries within and outside the Islamic world need nationally minded Muslims, for it is only the nation state, which throughout history has been able to secure its citizens' rights across religious and ethnic divides. Even though some in Europe are about to forget this truth and fantasize about the destruction of the nation-state.

     


    http://www.uriasposten.net/

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #414 - February 01, 2011, 10:59 PM

    The moment I stepped off the plane and into the hot, moist atmosphere of Cairo airport, I realized I was in another universe. The scent of incense drifted through an intricate lattice window. Donkeys laden with vegetables weaved their way through an orchestra of blaring car horns; street merchants announced their wares with a siren cry that made me jump; men prayed on the pavement, wearing pyjamas; and women threw buckets of peelings from balconies above. It was a mad, chaotic patchwork quilt of smells, noise and colour and came as quite a culture shock to me. But despite its strangeness I soon felt at home. For the first time I didn’t have to hide or be embarrassed about my origins. Moreover, everyone admired and respected both halves of my cultural background.

    We stayed at my uncle’s house in Cairo. The Egyptians wore western clothes, watched dubbed Hollywood movies and had many of the modern conveniences found in England. But as I sat on the replica 18th Century French furniture, a loudspeaker in the street outside began bellowing the call to prayer. This triggered a wave of prayer calls that slowly unfurled across the Cairo rooftops and into the distance. Even on television, Clark Gable was cut off in mid flow, as a sign came up in Arabic, announcing the evening prayer. When everyone got up to pray, I was left sitting alone at the table, I felt a little uncomfortable.

    After prayer my cousin Nihal, who had been helping my aunty fry some food in the kitchen, came in carrying a steaming dish.
    “You like beetles?”
    “Er… I’ve never had them!” I said, feeling a little queasy.
    “I like them too much!” She put the plate on the table. “Especially I like Paul; he’s too cute!”
    “Oh… .”  I said with a sigh of relief, “Yeah I like them, but they split up a few years ago, you know!” Egyptians loved everything British and knew a great deal about the UK, though their information seemed to be about a decade old.
    “Split up?”
    “They don’t play together anymore.”
    “Oh? Why?”
    “Well bands do that after a while… .”
    “Georgie Best!” interrupted Hamdy, giving me the thumbs up. “Manchester United! Good.”
    “Well I support Spurs actually”
    “Sopurs? What is Sopurs?”
    “Tottenham Hotspur – they’re a football team.”
    Nihal showed me a picture in an Egyptian newspaper of Ayatollah Khomeini hugging a little girl. “Awww, he is such a good man!”
    “The people seem to love him.”
    “He says there is no difference between Sunni and Shi’ah. He says we are all Muslims and should be united.”
    Nihal was a very strong minded, independent woman who took her freedom to do as she wanted for granted. She didn’t wear a headscarf and had very western habits and tastes. Yet she seemed completely comfortable about identifying with traditional, orthodox views – something most Egyptians I met seemed totally at ease with despite being relatively westernised.
    “Eat, Hassan!” said Aunty Ola as she sat next to me. “We made you English food: Fish and Chips!”
    “Do you say your prayers, Hassan?” said my uncle.
    “To be honest, no, I don’t.”
    “Oh you must pray! Prophet Muhammad said that ‘Prayer is the key to Paradise.”
    “I’m not sure I really believe in all that. I mean why does God need us to pray?”
    “God doesn’t need us to pray. But we need to pray. To give thanks and seek His help.”
    “I still don’t see why we have to give thanks or ask for help through prayer.”
    “Have you read the Qur’an, Hassan?”
    “A bit.”
    Uncle Fouad took a book from the shelf.
    “Here’s an English translation for you. I want you to promise me you will read it.”
    I was reluctant to promise something I didn’t want to do, but as I was a guest in his house I could hardly refuse. I thought I could read a few pages then politely put it to one side.
    “Thanks. OK, I will.”
    “Insha-Allah,” prompted Uncle Fouad.
    “Insha-Allah,” I replied.

    The next day my father and uncle had gone out, leaving me at home with Aunty Ola. So I picked up the Qur’an, as promised, and began to read. To my surprise I found I couldn’t put it down. The Qur’an is not like any ordinary book. It doesn’t follow any of the conventions of standard prose. It has no definite beginning or end. There is no plot to follow and no neat resolution. It seems to jump rather abruptly from one account to another. Even its style changes with little warning, from a steady narrative to fast paced rhyming prose. Yet I found it strangely irresistible.

    “Alif Lam Mim.”
    I looked up at Aunty Ola who was quietly sitting smoking a cigarette as she read a magazine full of beautiful women strutting down a cat walk.
    “What does Alif Lam Mim mean?”
    “Nobody knows.” She smiled. “Some chapters of the Qur’an begin with letters of the alphabet. Scholars have tried to explain them. But nobody knows for sure.”
    “You mean it’s a mystery?”
    “Yes.”
    I liked mysteries.

    <snip>

    I spent most of my two weeks in Egypt just reading the Qur’an, with the occasional trip to meet other members of my newly discovered extended family. There, also, the conversations invariably turned to religion.
    “A friend of mine says that only by believing in Jesus can I be saved, because he died for our sins.”
    “Islam says the opposite,” said Magdi. “The Qur’an says:

    “Whosoever follows the right path, benefits his own soul and whosoever goes astray harms himself. No soul shall bear the burden of another.”(17:15)

    “Islam is the religion of our ‘Fitrah’ (inborn disposition); it is in complete harmony with our natural instinct.”
    “Then why can’t everyone see it?”
    “The prophet said; “Men are asleep and only when they die they awake.” That’s the nature of this world, Hassan. If everything was clear and easy, then there would be no test.”
    Magdi gave me a book of Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad) which I read from cover to cover. One hadith in particular touched me deeply:
    “(God says) I am as my servant thinks of me. I am with him when he remembers me. If he comes to me a hand’s span; I come to him an arm’s length. If he comes to me one arm’s length, I draw near to him by two outstretched arms. If he comes to me walking, I come to him running.” (Bukhari)

    I really enjoyed this Hass. Perhaps you could direct me to similar chapters of your work, the hot stuff, the juicy stuff. Spare me the family tree. Just the more diverting vignettes of your odyssey. You may be a pathological optimist, but I liketh what I see.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #415 - February 01, 2011, 11:03 PM

    I really enjoyed this Hass. Perhaps you could direct me to similar chapters of your work, the hot stuff, the juicy stuff. Spare me the family tree. Just the more diverting vignettes of your odyssey. You may be a pathological optimist, but I liketh what I see.


    My full story is here:

    http://abooali.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/welcome/
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #416 - February 01, 2011, 11:15 PM

    The problem with what you guys are saying is you are just assuming based on no experience with Egyptians
    For IA people whom live in poverty areas are usually the most people to get drunk and stoned and to just give you an example look at the movies.
    For RAM , people in Egypt or a lot of the people in Egypt at least 60% don't trust Muslim brother hood and the rest a lot of them like their motivation but wouldn't trust them with office.
    Egypt is probably one of the secularist middle east countries, come on if it was like what you guys are saying , there wouldn't be night clubs and beer brewed in Egypt and other kind of Wine.

    Hassan, You are right (underlined) The majority of Iranis are very secular in outlook, still the ayatollahs ceased the power. The secualrists are not organized, they are independant but the Muslim Brotherhood are very well orgainized.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #417 - February 01, 2011, 11:18 PM

    Hassan, You are right (underlined) The majority of Iranis are very secular in outlook, still the ayatollahs ceased the power. The secualrists are not organized, they are independant but the Muslim Brotherhood are very well orgainized.


    There is a difference RAM and I think the Ex-Shia Muslims here will back me up on this - the Ayatollahs and Shia'a clerics hold a greater sanctity over the people than the Sunni clerics do.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #418 - February 01, 2011, 11:23 PM

    The Ayatollahs in Iran executed the top officials of the intelligence and military when they took power, as they were scared of such people overthrowing them. I don't think the MB will ever be able to do that in Egypt.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #419 - February 01, 2011, 11:28 PM

    There is no way on earth the MB in Egypt could get away with what the Ayatollahs did in Iran - even if they wanted to!

    Comparing Iran to Egypt is simply ignorance - full stop!
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