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  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #30 - February 05, 2011, 02:02 PM

    He is an absolute creep, and the fact that the media never really confronts him with these facts also speaks of how ignorant or fearful journalists are in the face of Islamists in the UK, how they get an easy ride from so much of the establishment.


    See, more evidence the media like a good "debate".
    Bunglawala turned up at UCL to defend women wearing Burka and under the pressure FAILED with his puny speech. But to my amazement, many intelligent students there considered his opinion to be decent and valid since of course he is a Muslim and is part of Muslims4U, which is yet another self-appointed group? I wonder how many Muslim women got to voice their support in the formation of this group.  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #31 - February 05, 2011, 02:04 PM

    Thankfully, there are modern Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Nigerians who live by British values by default - just not enough of them, say, compared to the Indian demographic.


    Dude, it goes back over 22 years, even before 1989 and the Rushdie affair, that Bunglawala by coincidence was at the forefront of.

    Jamaat-e-Islami and Muslim Brotherhood fronts and activists have been pushing Islamism using 'multiculturalism' as a cover for their agenda for a long, long time now, and they have been the primary cause of all the issues we see here, including to a large degree the rise of the EDL, who are nothing more than another form of identity politics, as are the BNP. The BNP are the endgame of the kind of identity politics that have been played out with virulence the last 20 + years with special fervour by J-e-I and Ikhwan-esque separatism and supremacism and priveliging. Everything stems from this.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #32 - February 05, 2011, 02:18 PM

    Interesting billy. Because to me it goes back to when and still today when immigrants are evaluated at border control. Put it this way - a young Muslim coming to Britain to study is FAR more likely to integrate than someone who isn't here to study and gets to this country by the back door of marrying an immigrant or second generation immigrant with a British passport. You then end up with an entire community of people who don't integrate, and stay isolated because they can and leaves such people susceptible in that Islamism can dangerously infect their minds to extremism (such as our Oxford educated Hassan Mehdi) if not just having bigoted views in life (from the minority of Pakistani men who see white vulnerable women as easy meat to mainstream Muslims who identify English as one of them, not us ).

    Of course, we need immigrants  (and not just those that require higher education)  because of the declining job market and ageing British population . But I do think we need to consider, consequentially, who will be far more socially integrated and who will not. The pro-stance on European (e.g. Polish) workers and promoting student visas in recent years has been a step forward. But we have a sizeable isolated set of a growing ~2 Million Muslims in the UK. They can't be filtered at border control, nor can they be deported. So - they have to integrate. Somehow. And this is where politicians are having a headache trying to figure out what to.
  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #33 - February 05, 2011, 02:39 PM


    The Jamat-e-Islami / Muslim Brotherhood / Maududi-ist Ummah Identity Politics movements in the UK are composed of highly educated middle class men. Their ideology needs to be scrutinised and criticised from all angles - from within the Muslim community, and from outside it too.

    Truths need to be told - truths about how the reason for the lack of social integration on any number of indices comparative to other groups including other minorities is not because of barriers or prejudice from society, but because of barriers internal to the Muslim community.

    Changing a mindset means identifying the truth first.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #34 - February 05, 2011, 02:55 PM

    OOh yes please. I'll be happy to review. We can then submit to Hassan or Maryam for approval.


    Press release here - http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=14533.new#new
  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #35 - February 05, 2011, 04:15 PM

    Good speech. Very good speech.

    what are your thoughts on why he referenced skin colour in his speech? tactical, misguided or correct?

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  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #36 - February 05, 2011, 04:30 PM

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    what are your thoughts on why he referenced skin colour in his speech? tactical, misguided or correct?


    He used an example of a white person being racist as being unnacceptable in modern society and public life. To counterpoint how expressing bigoted and extremist opinions in religious terms is often overlooked, wrongfully. The point is sound, I don't think its anything worse than clumsily expressed. It doesn't detract from the important stuff he's saying in general.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #37 - February 05, 2011, 04:37 PM

    As for integration, as long as the mindset described in the article below prevails, I am afraid that the future does not look very promising.

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    Interviews in Weekendavisen - Kurdish woman about ex-husband: "He accused me of being a Dane.

    The three interviewed  Muslim women are not wearing veils, are not very religious and probably quite atypical. It is simply impossible for a culturally Christian Dane, to understand the depth of the problem.

    Article in Weekendavisen – We will be avenged by the 3rd generation (not online).

    "Weekendavisen has gone to Odense to meet with three Muslim women, two aged 19, one 39 One wants to be anonymous, the other two don´t mind their names mentioned. Two of them were born in Denmark, one came to Denmark at the age of five. All have gone to school among largely Danish students. None of them wear the veil, no one is particularly religious, two of them are about to start a higher education. All of them think that their lives are not significantly different from other immigrant womens´ lives ...

    Anonymous woman, 19 years old of Palestinian descent. Long straight hair, black scarf and black jacket.

    " When I was growing up, I did not know it was wrong to have a Danish boyfriend. I found out when I got older and met other immigrant girls, who said that girls with Danish boyfriends were bitches and cheap whores.

    I had an Iraqi boyfriend. We always had to meet in secret by a small harbor. Why can´t they accept that I am seeing someone I love? But it is detrimental to one's family. People would question how my mother had brought me up and people in the mosque would avoid my parents and my uncles would stop visiting us.

    My parents would not accept my Iraqi boyfriend ... They'd rather just have a Palestinian from Lebanon, where they come from ...

    Some years ago I was walking in the bus station with an Iraqi man - we were not lovers, we were just heading for the same bus. A taxi driver saw us and my parents got to know immediately.

    My sister, who is 11 years old, has told me that when she grows up, she will marry a Dane.
    Like me,' I replied. 'Welcome to the club. " Now I have become engaged to a Palestinian from Lebanon, who I have met on Facebook ...In about a 1 1/2 years, we will be married ... I am looking forward to it. You get freedom in marriage.

    For now, I cannot move out and I cannot dress as I please. Today I cannot wear a short dress. When you are married you are the husband´s responsibility and no one will interfere. I have asked my parents why I can dress as I please when I'm in Lebanon. They responded that in Lebanon it is normal. There no one notices.

    I dream about living the life of Danish girls, where I can travel and live alone. But that would harm my family. First they will blame my mother for bad parenting and then nobody will want to marry my siblings. We are five girls ...

    If I have to be realistic, I will not raise my own daughters in the freedom that I want for myself. One cannot. At the end of the day it is imperative that a woman preserves her virginity.
    [...]

    Hashan Khanjar, 19, pharmaceutial student of Iranian-Kurdish descent. White T-shirt, black jacket, long curly hair ...

    "I am allowed a lot of freedom by my family, but there are limits ... I am not allowed to go out with boys and cannot wear what I please. People will talk ... I've never been allowed to sleep over at the homes of my Danish friends. My mother has always heard stories about Danes. The newspapers have reported on Danish fathers who raped their children ...

    Mothers are afraid that you will be deceived by boys. If you have slept with a boy, very few will want you. If you get raped, very few will believe that you did not do it voluntarily. What were you doing there, they will ask. Virginity means very, very much. One should preferably be a virgin as a girl. If you are not a virgin, you're cheap. That is what most immigrant men believe.

    ... I've never been out on the town. As my mother says: 'You only go out to drink or to find a guy,' and I am not allowed to do either of those. I know of many that have been discovered while they were in town. Their phones are taken away from them, and they are kept on a short leash.

    I could never have a Danish boyfriend. I am not allowed to and I don´t want to. I see Danish men as a bit like poofters ...

    If my little sister, who is 17, told me that she had slept with a man, I'd smash her. I would not want her to go through life making mistakes. I know a girl in Herlev, who fled from her family. Why would she ruin her family?

    [...]
    Halime Oguz - 39 years old, graduate student, divorced, one child, Kurdish descent. Henna dyed curly hair. Green top, gray suit jacket ...

    I came to Denmark from Turkey when I was five years old in 1976. My father was a classic guest worker. He was incredibly intelligent, and he learned to speak Danish fluently in three years. He was also very well integrated. I got a Danish name: Lene. We had many Danish friends. That changed dramatically when we moved to Vollsmose. But it also changed because of the Islamization of the entire Middle East as a result of the Iranian revolution in 1979. It  reached Denmark too. My mother's headscarf started to look different, my father was suddenly seen in the mosque ...

    When I got married, I cut ties with all of my Danish friends. I had nothing in common with them. I became lonely - and hungry spiritually ... When I was 27, I signed up for courses at an adult education center. Then came the jealousy. He followed me and checked my bags to see if there was anything he could find. I could not say anything positive about the Danes, without him getting extremely angry. He accused me of wanting to be a Dane ...

    He knew exactly when school was over. If I arrived five minutes late, hell broke loose. When I had been married to him for 15 years, I could not take it anymore. In 2002 we were divorced. It's the best thing I've done. I held out so long because of the community and family manipulations .. I sacrificed myself for the family and the traditions that I curse to hell. When later I read medieval literature in literature class, I could not help but laugh. Immigrants live by medieval traditions.

    ... Many women are suffering and are traumatized. They cannot get out of their marriages. There are hundreds of examples. When I see those women, I curse tradition. It is so cynical ...
    Even when you are divorced, you need to be careful. Although I'm 39, I cannot hang out all night in Odense. It would harm my family if it were discovered.

    If I choose a Danish man, there will be trouble. Uncles and aunts would call from Turkey and get my mother all worked up and it will also influence my daughter and her future. Nobody will want to marry her, if I'm promiscuous.

    I think it is naive when parties in parliament say that Danes are racists. Sadly, I experience more racism and intolerance among Middle Eastern immigrants. There are many prejudices. No immigrant men are broad-minded where womens´ sexuality is concerned. Women are seen as a white sheet: It must be clean if she is to be the mother of his children. Immigrant women are even helping by throwing the first stone. Women are womens´ worst enemies. Thus they are afraid of each other.

    The integration has not worked. Go to Vollsmose: It is not Danish. It is Saudi Arabia.


    http://www.uriasposten.net/



    Quote
    In about a 1 1/2 years, we will be married ... I am looking forward to it. You get freedom in marriage.


    I hope she reads the interview with the 39 years old, it might give her second thoughts about freedom in marriage.

    Quote
    If I choose a Danish man, there will be trouble. Uncles and aunts would call from Turkey and get my mother all worked up and it will also influence my daughter and her future. Nobody will want to marry her, if I'm promiscuous.


    Her daughter could marry a Dane, problem solved.

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #38 - February 05, 2011, 05:18 PM

    He used an example of a white person being racist as being unnacceptable in modern society and public life. To counterpoint how expressing bigoted and extremist opinions in religious terms is often overlooked, wrongfully.
    The point is sound, I don't think its anything worse than clumsily expressed.

     
    I really think you are naive if you think the primeminister used clumsily expressions in a such a key & pre-planned speech with his team of organisers behind him.

    It was his first speech on the topic, and if anyone is going to start talking about skin colour, they have to be very careful, let alone the priminister of a G5 country.


    Quote
    It doesn't detract from the important stuff he's saying in general.

    I think it does, even though his other stuff was correct.  

    He left a hint of white vs black in a speech that had nothing to do with racism or skin colour.  

    Like I said earlier I think it was done to appease white right wingers/Sun readers  who work at this simpleton level after the gang grooming/Warsi fiasco.  

    Shame he had to pander to that level and tar all non-whites with the same brush, particularly those who are non-muslims, peaceful muslims & good human beings, even perhaps making them feel that they can never be part of what it really means to be "British" because of their imported, non-liberal, values.

    Muslims are only a fraction of  non-whites in the UK, it excludes white Muslims (like the shoe bomber) and at the same time adds wind to the White vs Non-white conspiracy that is such a part of Islamist rhetoric these days.

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  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #39 - February 05, 2011, 05:46 PM

    The Jamat-e-Islami / Muslim Brotherhood / Maududi-ist Ummah Identity Politics movements in the UK are composed of highly educated middle class men. Their ideology needs to be scrutinised and criticised from all angles - from within the Muslim community, and from outside it too.

    Truths need to be told - truths about how the reason for the lack of social integration on any number of indices comparative to other groups including other minorities is not because of barriers or prejudice from society, but because of barriers internal to the Muslim community.

    Changing a mindset means identifying the truth first.




    Ok Interesting.

    Sometime I think you should work for a think tank. Grin
  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #40 - February 05, 2011, 06:15 PM


    I really think you are naive if you think the primeminister used clumsily expressions in a such a key & pre-planned speech with his team of organisers behind him.

    It was his first speech on the topic, and if anyone is going to start talking about skin colour, they have to be very careful, let alone the priminister of a G5 country.

    I think it does, even though his other stuff was correct.  

    He left a hint of white vs black in a speech that had nothing to do with racism or skin colour.  

    Like I said earlier I think it was done to appease white right wingers/Sun readers  who work at this simpleton level after the gang grooming/Warsi fiasco.  

    Shame he had to pander to that level and tar all non-whites with the same brush, particularly those who are non-muslims, peaceful muslims & good human beings, even perhaps making them feel that they can never be part of what it really means to be "British" because of their imported, non-liberal, values.

    Muslims are only a fraction of  non-whites in the UK, it excludes white Muslims (like the shoe bomber) and at the same time adds wind to the White vs Non-white conspiracy that is such a part of Islamist rhetoric these days.


    I think your over reacting to it, but I take your points on board all the same.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #41 - February 05, 2011, 06:22 PM

    I think its a topic worth over-reacting for

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  • Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #42 - February 05, 2011, 06:48 PM

    Perhaps this might include the removal of shariah courts in Britain inshaAllah Wink
    Quote
      David Cameron says 'state multiculturalism' has failed and left young Muslims vulnerable to radicalisation.
       "State multiculturalism" has failed and left young Muslims vulnerable to radicalisation, David Cameron, the British prime minister, has said, arguing for a more active policy to heal divisions and promote Western values.

    Cameron, in a speech to a security conference in Munich on Saturday, said that Britain and other European nations needed to "wake up to what is happening in our countries" as well as tackling terrorism through military operations overseas.

    "Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream," Cameron said.

    "We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong ... all this leaves some young Muslims feeling rootless.

    "We've even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values.

    "It is time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past."

    His comments echo those made by Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, last year and reflect a push by many European governments to try to better integrate immigrants, given persistent domestic tensions between different cultures.

    'Muscular liberalism'

    Cameron denied that cuts to defence spending as part of efforts to tackle a record budget deficit mean that Britain is retreating from an "activist" global role.

    "That is the complete reversal of the truth," he said. "Yes, we are dealing with the deficit, but we are also making sure our defences are strong."

    Aides say his comments on multiculturalism and radicalisation help give a sense of future policy, but it remains unclear how the ruling Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition intend to turn such a vision into a reality.

    Critics point out that Western foreign policy in the Middle East and beyond, not just a clash of cultures at home, has played a big part in stirring up anti-Western sentiment.

    Some members of Cameron's Conservative party, activists in right-wing movements and some voters believe that Britain has become a safe haven for people with anti-Western political views.

    Others argue this tolerant approach is the lifeblood of any open and thriving democracy, fearing a crackdown on civil liberties would undermine the kind of society the government is seeking to establish.

    Cameron said it was time to replace Britain's "passive tolerance" with an "active, muscular liberalism" to send a message that life in Britain revolves around certain key values such as freedom of speech, equal rights and the rule of law.

    "A passively tolerant society ... stands neutral between different values," he said.

    "A genuinely liberal country does much more. It believes in certain values and actively promotes them." 


    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #43 - February 05, 2011, 06:51 PM

    Already posted topic,

    Mods - needs merging

    I prefer this title - more descriptive
  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #44 - February 05, 2011, 06:54 PM

    I thought if it has been posted it would have posted in "news in the UK"

    yeah mods !! delete , why cant the laymen delete posts no fair !!

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #45 - February 05, 2011, 06:55 PM

    China the reason why that doesn't happen is because then valuable posts could be lost, it is better that they are merged, it is in the UK section just under a different and non-descript title.

    Merge ahead mods
  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #46 - February 05, 2011, 06:56 PM

    Also where is the link for this excerpt?
  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #47 - February 05, 2011, 07:14 PM

     I can see your point of view. Maybe 'over reacting' was the wrong phrase to use.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #48 - February 05, 2011, 11:06 PM

    Can't wait to see what Mehdi 'All Kuffars Are Animals and Cattle With No Intelligence' Hasan has to say about it, steam will be coming out of his ears.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2011/02/cameron-speech-british

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  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #49 - February 05, 2011, 11:11 PM


    Thanks Shahid, pretty much says what I expected him to say.

    But then what do I know, I'm just a beastial kuffar animal with no intelligence.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #50 - February 05, 2011, 11:19 PM

    Quote
    The fact is that Muslims and Muslim organizations, as former Met police officer Robert Lambert argues over on the Staggers blog, have a crucial role to play in the struggle against homegrown extremism and in the battle for the hearts and minds of young, angry, alienated Muslims. Cameron's simplistic speech, and the predictable and depressing newspaper headlines that it provoked, has done more harm than good. It is a step backward rather than forward.

     

    Yeah yeah yeah, young, angry, alienated Muslims, we get it, we get it. Fund and privilege self appointed Muslim power brokers, often Jamat e Islami / Muslim Brotherhood / Maududi-ist, or there'll be trouble / violence in society and it will be the fault of all those people who oppose it, we get it already Mehdi.

    All these uppity kaffir cattle with no intelligence not knowing their place.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #51 - February 06, 2011, 05:38 AM

    Hmm so we're talking about issue what about solutions or suggestions? How do you get people to integrate into society. I thought of a few things but it'll never work cause Muslims tend to stick to themselves and never want to intermingle with people other than their own. if one wishes to do so they are met with unnecessary hardships and emotional grief. I think it starts with the youth and having something that brings them together, like same schools or some kind of activities which everyone can take part in happily. Everyone creates their own destiny. You can stay angry, upset, frustrated, depressed, complain etc... OR you can stand up and take charge. It only takes a few people to break the norm and then a revolution.  yes history shows that the a few who decided to stand up for what's right (in a non-violent way/ forceful way), resulted in great social changes.

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  • Re: Shocked. Amazed. Encouraged , Disheartened
     Reply #52 - February 06, 2011, 01:42 PM

    I agree with this:

    Quote
    He will say: "Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream. We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong.

    "We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values. So when a white person holds objectionable views – racism, for example – we rightly condemn them. But when equally unacceptable views or practices have come from someone who isn't white, we've been too cautious, frankly even fearful, to stand up to them."


    I think in an ideal scenario, we should aim for cultural assimilation over multiculturalism. That is the idea that those who voluntarily make the decision to migrate to another country adopt certain values and principles of the dominant culture.

    The USA has achieved this successfully, I think it is because the USA has a clear understanding of its own identity and the values it accepts as American. It has a constitution underpinning the values people share. It's one of the most diverse countries in the world and yet I seem to think there is a stronger sense of shared identity, African Americans in the south or Hispanic Americans in the West or Italian or Asian Americans in the North-East still seem to identify as American, at least.

    And good on Cameron for pointing out the Muslim Council of Britain. The Unite Against Fascism group have routinely used speakers from the MCB in their rallies and conferences, one of them who was used said that gay people were "diseased". The government or a far-left "humanitarian" group such as the UAF would never ally themselves with people who believe that gays are diseased, so why the hell do they think that the MCB are any better?

    I really disagree with Mark Steyn on most things, but one quote of his I do partially agree with:

    Quote
    "What is most regrettable? In the multicultural West, our values are that we have no values: we accord all values equal value; the English feminist concerned that her tolerance is implicitly intolerant or the wife-beater and compulsory clitorectomy scheduler.”


    The basic idea of multiculturalism is that we grant rights to things under the guise of "cultural cohesion" and assert that all world values are equal, but then what becomes British values? What unites people? What is stopping people from forming parallel societies? Grant inherent rights to humans, yes, but not "culture" as simple beliefs and traditions.

    I think Australia has achieved something similar to the melting pot of America, the melting pot term meaning that people of all different backgrounds "melt" into a society of shared values.

    On Australia Day every year, thousands of people from hundreds of countries attend citizenship ceremonies to become Australian, and they're all required to stand up and read out:

    Quote
    From this time forward
    I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
    whose democratic beliefs I share,
    whose rights and liberties I respect, and
    whose laws I will uphold and obey.


    It's not much, but to assert that a country has certain values, an understanding of equality, rights, liberties, democracy... Rather than to passively submit those values that make the UK such a free place to live... is regrettable.
  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #53 - February 06, 2011, 02:06 PM

    Sorry for the double post but I realise this is separate to my post above,

    David Cameron was labeled a "far-right propogandist for the EDL" by Mr Khan, the Shadow Justice Secretary of the Labour Party.

    In responce, Tory Chairman Baroness Warsi described Mr Khan’s remarks as an attempt to ‘smear’ the Prime Minister as a Right-wing extremist.

    Quote
    ‘This is outrageous and irresponsible,’ she said.

    ‘David Cameron has made it clear he wants to unite Britain around our common values, and he has done so in measured language.


    Finally, something by Baroness Warsi that I can agree with. It was only expected that Cameron's speech would get smeared with "racism" and "you extremist!", people simply don't want to have a legitimate discussion about this.
  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #54 - February 06, 2011, 03:34 PM

    Unechance, please give the link to stuff taken from newspapers, thanks.

    Predictable response from Labour to be honest.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #55 - February 06, 2011, 07:19 PM

    At last some one speaks out, fine words, but will he, Cameron, actually do anything.
  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #56 - February 06, 2011, 08:49 PM



    Yeah yeah yeah, young, angry, alienated Muslims, we get it, we get it. Fund and privilege self appointed Muslim power brokers, often Jamat e Islami / Muslim Brotherhood / Maududi-ist, or there'll be trouble / violence in society and it will be the fault of all those people who oppose it, we get it already Mehdi.

    All these uppity kaffir cattle with no intelligence not knowing their place.



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  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #57 - February 07, 2011, 11:24 AM


    Quote
    LOL! i love you, billy!

     
     
    Back at ya mate  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #58 - February 08, 2011, 12:30 AM

    I just posted a message on Mehdis comment page at the Newstatesman. Im not sure if it will be allowed to stay there so I post it here  for posterity anyway grin12
     

       Medhi,your hypocrisy is outshone only by your beguiling deviousness. Would you like to print transcripts of your own words from the bigotted videos you were the narrator of? It would be interesting to read them alongside this piece. Your portrayal of non-muslims as dumb animals was quaint in a Hitleresque sense and your weasly words of later trying to explain it away reveals so much of the type of man you are.

        I noticed that after your Question Time appearance you used these pages to print links of the program in which you appeared in order they know better your views. Therefore I assume you will not mind me typing a link to the other videos so that your followers can get an rounded view of your good self.

        http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/27/mehdi-hasan-part-ii-musli...


    Mutha Kuffar


    By the way I found this link in one of those comments

    these guys were quick of the mark with the slogan

    http://www.muscularliberal.com/

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Multiculturalism has failed : David Cameron
     Reply #59 - February 08, 2011, 12:32 AM

    LOL! i love you, billy!


     
    Back at ya mate  Afro


    Brotherly love. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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