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 Topic: World Domination

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  • World Domination
     OP - February 05, 2011, 05:57 AM

    Islam, like Christianity, like many other religions appears to have the idea of spreading itself over the entire world and killing those who fight against it.

    Many future foretellers i.e. Nostradamaus, baba venga etc have "predicted" that the spread of islam and its world dominance will continue to take place in the not too distant future.

    bearing mind that these predictions are often vague and often untrue and generally hyped up to scare,

    what are your thought on this?

    is it possible that islam will take over western europe?

    Do you believe that the west control of the world is slipping and will provide fertile grounds for which fundamentalist islam to flourish?

    and if so,

    also, is there some way to stop this from occurring?
    Can it be fought?
     thnkyu

    Beyonce was right; If you like it then you probably should put a ring on it. Tongue
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #1 - February 05, 2011, 06:02 AM

    This is a joke, right?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #2 - February 05, 2011, 06:08 AM

    What do you mean? how is it funny?

    Beyonce was right; If you like it then you probably should put a ring on it. Tongue
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #3 - February 05, 2011, 06:13 AM

    it's funny because Islam dominating the world is just as likely as the story of yajooj wa majooj..
    not going to happen.. the only thing we should be stopping is the violation of human rights that islamic laws now enforce... the fundies have no power if they cannot justify the violence.
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #4 - February 05, 2011, 06:15 AM

    I don't know where to start - Nostradamus, Islam taking over Europe (for some reason only western Europe)...
    Tell me how today is profoundly different in terms of favoring the  spread of Islam, than 500 years ago? Or 1000 years ago?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #5 - February 05, 2011, 06:28 AM

    Sorry, perhaps i should better explain myself.

    i am not muslim and have never been. i have known and been friends with muslims and had a basic understanding of islam,
    one day i thought i should increase my knowledge of islam and while researching found that there were people who were against muslims who werent backward uneducated hicksville folk who thought all muslims were terrorists, who perhaps came from a muslim upbringing but had, for whatever reason,  grown wary of their religion.

    anyways,

    i found this perspective interesting because i had not encountered it before and while im researching this i have encountered so called "arguments" that state islamic domination is inevitable because "some famous psychic said so and anyways look whats happening around the world so it must be true"

    This is not my belief.

    However reading your perspective in such an "argument" would be of interest.

    Hope my question makes a bit more sense!!

     thnkyu grin12

    Beyonce was right; If you like it then you probably should put a ring on it. Tongue
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #6 - February 05, 2011, 07:59 AM

    Quote
    Islam, like Christianity, like many other religions appears to have the idea of spreading itself over the entire world and killing those who fight against it.


    Yes.

    Quote
    Many future foretellers i.e. Nostradamaus, baba venga etc have "predicted" that the spread of islam and its world dominance will continue to take place in the not too distant future.


    No.  No such thing as future foreteller, only guessers.  

    Quote
    bearing mind that these predictions are often vague and often untrue and generally hyped up to scare,

    what are your thought on this?


    People read their own ideas into these things, it's more a picture of the person thinking these guys said these things than it is the original person them self.

    Quote
    is it possible that islam will take over western europe?


    No, but anything is possible

    Quote
    Do you believe that the west control of the world is slipping and will provide fertile grounds for which fundamentalist islam to flourish?


    No, in the sense that there is no diacotomy between " the west" and fundamentalism.  

    Quote
    and if so,

    also, is there some way to stop this from occurring?

     Challenge all those who push fascist ideologies to support their views with evidence and reason, that goes for anti Islamic fascists as well.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #7 - February 05, 2011, 12:32 PM

    Islam, like Christianity[it has come to its senses and has become more subtle and sophisticated in its methods,but yes it has great ambitions to spread all over like a pandemic!], like many other religions appears to have the idea of spreading itself over the entire world and killing those who fight against it.
    [Islam appears to be a sole contender here!]
     


    The modification above  up



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #8 - February 05, 2011, 01:44 PM

    Nostradamus knew not his own father... how can he tell you what will happen tomorrow!

    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #9 - February 05, 2011, 03:43 PM

     i think those so called "arguements" are driven by a few of things..
    a couple being fear and hate..
    they've argued about the birth rate of muslims, quote : "they are out-breeding us" = omg they are going to take over the world
    also.. immigration = omg they are going to take over the world.
    predictions.. well .. they also predicted the end of the world.. how many times?.. fun to read but not much more than that.
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #10 - February 05, 2011, 08:58 PM

    In the globalized world, conspiracy theories are the new superstition.

    When we deride those Muslims who believe the world is being taken over by zionist-crusaders bent on destroying *them*, let's remember that we are also human and may fall into the "OMG THEY ARE OUT TO GET US" Run for the hills trap of our baser, tribalistic thinking.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #11 - February 05, 2011, 09:05 PM

    No chance in hell , simply because they are backward

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #12 - February 05, 2011, 09:10 PM

    nessrriin & allat

    I think the various dawah peddlers, Muslim Brotherhood, Jamat-e-Islami, Tabligi Jamaati and other ideological groups who do actively assert their desire and prosletysing impulse to dominate and convert societies to Islam are equally to blame as right-wingers who basically just pick up and run with the torch that they wave around all over the place. There is a starting point to this that is rooted not just in good old right-wing nativist, xenophobic sentiment, and that is the actual beliefs and stated aims of the lunatics who not only talk about Islamicising non Islamic societies, but who say that they wish to work towards it. They are primarily culpable for feeding this narrative, and they have no self awareness about it at all. The documentary about the Ikhwan in Europe that Iraqi Atheist posted is just one example.

    I agree with you that these things pander to right wing chauvinism that is hostile to minorities anyway, but I reckon that the Muslim ideologues and groups who do peddle this nonsense shouldn't be ignored, they should be confronted about it rigorously too.
     

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #13 - February 05, 2011, 09:15 PM


    I'm speaking of it from a UK perspective, it may be different in Canada. But over here, these guys do not hold back from saying what they feel, and you can't criticise right wingers without taking them on too.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #14 - February 05, 2011, 09:22 PM

    nessrriin & allat

    I think the various dawah peddlers, Muslim Brotherhood, Jamat-e-Islami, Tabligi Jamaati and other ideological groups who do actively assert their desire and prosletysing impulse to dominate and convert societies to Islam are equally to blame as right-wingers who basically just pick up and run with the torch that they wave around all over the place. There is a starting point to this that is rooted not just in good old right-wing nativist, xenophobic sentiment, and that is the actual beliefs and stated aims of the lunatics who not only talk about Islamicising non Islamic societies, but who say that they wish to work towards it. They are primarily culpable for feeding this narrative, and they have no self awareness about it at all. The documentary about the Ikhwan in Europe that Iraqi Atheist posted is just one example.

    I agree with you that these things pander to right wing chauvinism that is hostile to minorities anyway, but I reckon that the Muslim ideologues and groups who do peddle this nonsense shouldn't be ignored, they should be confronted about it rigorously too.
     


    The genesis for all the phobia and hate.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #15 - February 05, 2011, 09:30 PM

    nessrriin & allat

    I think the various dawah peddlers, Muslim Brotherhood, Jamat-e-Islami, Tabligi Jamaati and other ideological groups who do actively assert their desire and prosletysing impulse to dominate and convert societies to Islam are equally to blame as right-wingers who basically just pick up and run with the torch that they wave around all over the place. There is a starting point to this that is rooted not just in good old right-wing nativist, xenophobic sentiment, and that is the actual beliefs and stated aims of the lunatics who not only talk about Islamicising non Islamic societies, but who say that they wish to work towards it. They are primarily culpable for feeding this narrative, and they have no self awareness about it at all. The documentary about the Ikhwan in Europe that Iraqi Atheist posted is just one example.

    I agree with you that these things pander to right wing chauvinism that is hostile to minorities anyway, but I reckon that the Muslim ideologues and groups who do peddle this nonsense shouldn't be ignored, they should be confronted about it rigorously too.
     


    Yeah, that's why I think our fight is with far-right bigotry/xenophobia/fascism itself, no matter where it comes from. In fact far right wingers among Islamists and among anti-Islam groups (like BNP'ers and Bible Belt fanatics in the U.S. etc.) benefit from each other's bigotry because it increases the fears of people who think they are being targeted by the other side and thus fattens the pockets of those who are banking on people's fears.

    There's no reason to play into their false binaries - that you're either a islamist or a zionist, or either you hate white people or you hate brown people. These false binaries only benefit those who are the leaders and profiteers of both kinds of far-right-wing/fascist way of thinking. Yes, let's openly and loudly condemn Islam's far-right-wing, xenophobic bigotry, AND let's openly and loudly condemn every other group's/society's far-right-wing, xenophobic bigotry. It's the only way to fight the real monsters that come in all kinds of shapes, sizes, colours, races: fascism, totalitarianism and plain old bigotry. It's not like we haven't seen these monsters before and it's not like any one race or group of people have a monopoly on them.

    And we must also remember that in order to fight monsters, we shouldn't become monsters ourselves. Because if we do, we will not have gained anything by the fight, and we will then be the monsters we thought we were fighting.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #16 - February 05, 2011, 09:38 PM

    I agree with all that allat.

    Things are different in the UK than in the USA / Canada, especially America, where rght wing literalist evangelicals seem to have extraordinary loud voices. The EDL and BNP here do thrive off Islamic extremism, but its not just Al Muhajiroun types of Islamists and those who preach jehadism. Its Jamat-e-Islami / MB inspired identity politics that divides the world into Muslim / Kuffar, and that does get alot of airtime in the media and purchase in society, and the right wingers feed off that. In the British context, its vitally important to repudiate their siren calls for Islam as an imperial claim, because it leads to alot of mistrust and countering forms of identity politics.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #17 - February 05, 2011, 09:49 PM

    Things are different in the UK than in the USA / Canada, especially America, where rght wing literalist evangelicals seem to have extraordinary loud voices. The EDL and BNP here do thrive off Islamic extremism, but its not just Al Muhajiroun types of Islamists and those who preach jehadism. Its Jamat-e-Islami / MB inspired identity politics that divides the world into Muslim / Kuffar, and that does get alot of airtime in the media and purchase in society, and the right wingers feed off that. In the British context, its vitally important to repudiate their siren calls for Islam as an imperial claim, because it leads to alot of mistrust and countering forms of identity politics.


    Yeah, it does sound like the polarization is far worse in Britain than in Canada and even in the U.S. This forum and the news/personal anecdotes I read about here keep me updated about things that I wouldn't know of if I didn't read the stuff here that you Brits post. The whole "let's not turn into monsters while we fight monsters" idea does need to work alongside the practical realities of the situation of each region. However, I definitely do think there's a lot of hyperbole in the notion brought up in the OP, that somehow those crazy muzzies are gonna take over the planet/western europe (because apparently that's the only part that matters).

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #18 - February 05, 2011, 09:56 PM

    Quote
    However, I definitely do think there's a lot of hyperbole in the notion brought up in the OP, that somehow those crazy muzzies are gonna take over the planet/western europe (because apparently that's the only part that matters).


    Definitely. Its lunacy.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #19 - February 05, 2011, 11:17 PM

     001_wub allat
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #20 - February 06, 2011, 05:08 AM

    I don't buy into it, just a hype. I think technology and the spread of free thinking and real education will be Islam's downfall. Also the European culture is already influencing the next generation of Muslims to a degree. So in the end Islam will end up like every other religion and end up splitting into even more sects than it is already. The conservative sects tend to be the minority while the majority lean towards liberal, along with the rest of the world whistling2. then again I don't live in Europe so I don't know, but I'm making my deductions based on historical trends of people with agendas to take over the world, or country never goes according to plan.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #21 - February 06, 2011, 03:09 PM

    001_wub allat


    What am I, chopped liver  Huh?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #22 - February 06, 2011, 03:32 PM

    Allow me to reiterate:


    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #23 - February 06, 2011, 05:23 PM

    Lol  Cheesy

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #24 - February 07, 2011, 01:02 AM

    What am I, chopped liver  Huh?

     fried up with garlic and lemon..   Yummy

    001_wub
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #25 - February 07, 2011, 05:09 AM

    You forgot the fava beanz.  Wink

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #26 - February 07, 2011, 11:17 AM

    fried up with garlic and lemon..   Yummy

    001_wub


     Grin Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #27 - February 07, 2011, 03:41 PM

    it's funny because Islam dominating the world is just as likely as the story of yajooj wa majooj..


    Or being invaded by little green men from mars? There is of course no substitute for ludicrous comparisons when you have nothing but lame attempts at ridicule to back up your position (ie head in the sand).

    Quote
    not going to happen..


    Millions of people who call themselves "Muslims" seem to think otherwise eg:



    Tell them why they are wrong to do so.

    Quote
    the only thing we should be stopping is the violation of human rights that islamic laws now enforce... the fundies have no power if they cannot justify the violence.


    They "justify the violence" with their "holy book" the Qur'an eg surahs 8:59-60

    Against [the disbelievers] make ready your strength to the utmost of your power.... to TERRORIZE the enemies, of Allah [the kafirs]

    The "fundies" appear to "interpret" this as er what it says. Think they are wrong to do so? Feel free to show them why. 

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #28 - February 07, 2011, 03:49 PM



    (Clicky for piccy!)


     TERRORIZE the enemies, of Allah [the kafirs][/b]
      

    True there are indeed Muslims like that and they are in millions., i agree with you but do you agree that there are also Muslims like this who are in 100s of millions dear DH?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmJahvVnIFk


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: World Domination
     Reply #29 - February 07, 2011, 03:52 PM

    How many 100s of millions Yeezevee? BTW I am responding to the erroneous statement "the fundies CANNOT justify their violence" by showing that they do just that, how they do it and asking why they are wrong to to do?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
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