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 Topic: I Want a New Way

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  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #90 - February 11, 2011, 07:08 PM

    no way. i want this internet drama to continue

     Cheesy

    You know I love you Abu.

    btw u may have to change your avatar if Chelsea get their man.
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #91 - February 11, 2011, 07:12 PM

    it's pretty much common knowledge now that i'm not really a muslim anymore so 


    Holy shit you took your time with that.
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #92 - February 11, 2011, 07:15 PM

    Cheesy

    You know I love you Abu.

    btw u may have to change your avatar if Chelsea get their man.



    don't be silly, chelsea are a team in decline - he'd never go there in a million years. he'd only leave for barca - but they're not willing to splash the cash

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #93 - February 11, 2011, 07:17 PM

    Cheesy

    You know I love you Abu.

    btw u may have to change your avatar if Chelsea get their man.



    Glad you are feeling a bit better Hassan. Chin up and my advice ignoring things that bug you sometimes is the best policy, as I said I judge Muslims by who they are not by what religion they think they follow, humanity is key.
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #94 - February 11, 2011, 08:17 PM

    ^ I want to neck you so bad. Can I hold you baby?

    @Abu

    So the plunder came when my cyber death was announced? For shame, Abu, for shame. Is it your policy to raid people's graves?

    You've crossed over to the Devil's party then. Tell me now, when was it decided by you to breakdance in the lowest rung of Jahannam? Fascinating.
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #95 - February 11, 2011, 08:18 PM

    in my defence i stole your sig while you were away crying on ateapotists man-titties regarding injustices suffered on this forum  grin12

    and on a side note - it's pretty much common knowledge now that i'm not really a muslim anymore so  Tongue

    Come again - are you an ex-muslim? And if so what finally pushed you over the edge? We may have thought it, but I dont think it means much until somebody actually says it to themselves.  I know for one that I felt it for a long while before I was pushed into saying it by my cousin.

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  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #96 - February 11, 2011, 08:24 PM

    Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeese!

    Anyone who didn't know Abu wasn't a Muslim in any sense other than to please his loved ones is a fucking idiot.
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #97 - February 11, 2011, 08:26 PM

    Glad you are feeling a bit better Hassan. Chin up and my advice ignoring things that bug you sometimes is the best policy, as I said I judge Muslims by who they are not by what religion they think they follow, humanity is key.


    That holds for any human being anywhere on earth.
    But sadly,despite claiming otherwise, our 'beloved' religions don't permit that.
    Only free thinking individuals are able to do that easily,because they see people as individuals  and not as some members of a friendly/hostile group.

     



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #98 - February 11, 2011, 08:45 PM

    @Hassan

    I sniffed out the man's kufr a long, long time ago when, feeling the pull of its odour on my nostril hair, I baptised him as the "closet murtad". Unmistakable:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=12739.0

    @Islame

    Yeah, to admit that one is with the Devil's party is akin to leaping over the moon so big a step is it. Even to oneself. Or should that be especially? To cross that line is to wage Jihad against Allah's gang, by which I mean to include the Profit Mo and the winged creatures. But don't gloat in the man's face in case we jinx his newfound confidence. Act normal. Nothing's changed. All smiles now.

    Now, where is the "send" button here in my private message screen?
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #99 - February 11, 2011, 08:57 PM

    ^ I want to neck you so bad. Can I hold you baby?

    @Abu

    So the plunder came when my cyber death was announced? For shame, Abu, for shame. Is it your policy to raid people's graves?

    You've crossed over to the Devil's party then. Tell me now, when was it decided by you to breakdance in the lowest rung of Jahannam? Fascinating.



    Can you neck me?  Cheesy mysmilie_977

    now  lipsrsealed yes grin12 thnkyu Afro
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #100 - February 11, 2011, 09:05 PM

    Can you neck me?  Cheesy mysmilie_977

    Steady, this is dangerous. Loose lips are watching my infidelity. Show a little discretion woman. Meet me at the Condom of the Skirt-Chaser bar at sun down. I wanna show you something special. Can you guess what it is my lovely
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #101 - February 11, 2011, 09:07 PM

    Your holey qu'ran carved out of Leerdammer made using Pig's rennet?
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #102 - February 11, 2011, 09:13 PM

    Close, but direct your gaze to south of my belt. What do you see? No need to comment on the size.
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #103 - February 11, 2011, 09:16 PM

    Legs?

  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #104 - February 12, 2011, 02:55 AM

    <<fucking idiot  Cry

    oh well .. bo yunus.. your fired from a job i was going to offer you! damn it!! finmad
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #105 - February 20, 2011, 11:47 PM

    Peace all,

    I think this forum does a fine job at what it does: allowing a largely unmoderated space for new and old ex-Muslims to express and (sometimes) analyze what's wrong with the religion of Islam. Sometimes it's very funny at this as well, although possibly a bit too youthful and fresh for older guys like me and Brother Hassan.

    I haven't seen much in the way of "reaching out" to Muslims -- apart from offering this space, as it is. (I believe some of you guys also do stuff outside of the forum that is helpful.) I think offering this space is already quite a significant thing and not to be belittled. I'm sure a number of people walking along the edge found some courage to jump thanks reading the often humorous and dirty stuff written here and realising -- they are not alone.

    I suspect my Brother is questioning what happens next -- and how CEMB can play a part in that. I asked that question of the forum a while back when I joined -- when you've vented your frustration, wounds are completely healed and so on -- what happens next?

    Speaking as a belated Sufi, I've come to the conclusion that, sadly, "reaching out to Muslims" is not something that happens next. Da'wah, for any purpose, atheist or Muslim, is a fallacy: there is no compulsion to the Truth. But, happily, the Truth will prevail -- for everyone -- and we're all just part of the cycle, man. Though you and I might feel like we see things a bit clearer than those who still perform salat goose steps blindly behind stupid minded sheikhs ... actually, although Love is understood through our relationships with others, the path is ultimately for the individual and can take many lifetimes to fulfill.

    The only thing we can do is offer a glass or two of wine and friendship on our individual journeys. And most will not accept that: it's a cold world after all.

    One of my favourite religious texts puts it this way (it's the perfect song for the melancholic ex-Muslim, singing to the Muslim -- or to anyone with the wool over their eyes, that we'd wish to help or feel a responsibility for -- better than any kind of reaching out or da'wah):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=671AgW9xSiA


    If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
    And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,
    Would you hear my voice come thru the music,
    Would you hold it near as it were your own?

    It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken,
    Perhaps they're better left unsung.
    I don't know, don't really care
    Let there be songs to fill the air.

    Ripple in still water,
    When there is no pebble tossed,
    Nor wind to blow.

    Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
    If your cup is full may it be again,
    Let it be known there is a fountain,
    That was not made by the hands of men.

    There is a road, no simple highway,
    Between the dawn and the dark of night,
    And if you go no one may follow,
    That path is for your steps alone.

    Ripple in still water,
    When there is no pebble tossed,
    Nor wind to blow.

    You who choose to lead must follow
    But if you fall you fall alone,
    If you should stand then whos to guide you?
    If I knew the way I would take you home.








    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #106 - February 20, 2011, 11:57 PM

    Bloody hell, mate. You actually posted that in normal English instead of Tailorspeak. Have you seen a doctor?  grin12

    ETA: Not that I disagree with the sentiments. I'm just astonished by the clarity and brevity.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #107 - February 21, 2011, 12:11 AM

    I thought that about his other response to Hassan.  You feeling ok Tailor?

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  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #108 - February 21, 2011, 12:17 AM

    @ tailor good! very good! clap

    I thought that about his other response to Hassan.  You feeling ok Tailor?


     Cheesy Be charitable man!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #109 - February 21, 2011, 12:22 AM

    Disclaimer: teh Tailor is an all round good sort. He just waffles on a bit sometimes. Wink

    ETA: Maybe this clarty and brevity is part of him wanting a new way.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #110 - February 21, 2011, 12:38 AM

    Oh, this is just about people and what to do next -- and meant for Hassan specifically.

    You were expecting ... perhaps ... my tafsir on Al Shams and the Hollow Earth model of the Qur'an?!

    http://thegoodgarment.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/solar-flares/

    Written on the same day as this post. In case you were concerned Wink

    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #111 - February 23, 2011, 10:33 PM

     Run for the hills

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #112 - February 23, 2011, 11:27 PM

    I agree with your approach if we wantto help change Muslims and their world view it must be done with compassion not an attack on their beliefs if we go on the offensive they go on the defensive and don't listen it just becomes a shouting match and neither side is listening.
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #113 - February 24, 2011, 12:31 AM

    Yes, it's about compassion over cold hard logic, it's about reaching out rather than winning arguments. I think that is what sheikh Hassan is saying...
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #114 - February 24, 2011, 12:34 AM

    The problem is that any criticism of Islam, even if its mild and however valid it may be, is considered to be an "attack" on Islam and Muslims.  Sometimes you just have to think...fuck it.  The glove needs to come off.

    But I would always advise to begin any dialogue kindly and compassionately, and adjust depending on your opponents reactions.


    .
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #115 - February 24, 2011, 08:45 PM

    That's true, she is.  She's really nice on chat, I wanted to pull her hair out by the roots when I only spoke to her on the forum.  grin12


     Cheesy +1   aphrodite   far away hug

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #116 - February 25, 2011, 12:47 AM

    Sometimes you just have to think...fuck it.  The glove needs to come off.


    Has that ever worked in convincing the other person? Or did it just make you feel better?  Smiley

    Don't forget br. Raza, some Muslims hearts are sealed...
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #117 - February 25, 2011, 04:52 AM

    No no their hearts are open our hearts are sealed by god himself but somehow we still have free will.
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #118 - February 26, 2011, 01:29 PM

    The Tailor!  I have missed your comments.  BTW, wtH is a "belated sufi"  Cheesy

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: I Want a New Way
     Reply #119 - February 26, 2011, 02:12 PM

    Muslims are emotional people, so are human beings. If we don't confront Islam then who will? The USA? Islam can be reformed with the help of the ex-Muslim community. We have all been there because once we too use to believe in Allah. But we managed to use our brains to throw off Islam and enter a new world of reason. Did you see that milkshake who came forward, in a room full of jihadist, and accepted evolution. But the whole room erupted because he accepted evolution. Now where is the compassionate Muslims (young university educated) to step in and at least address the milkshake using facts. But they don't instead it moves into the realm of emotions and tears. This is an audience of young British men not living in the third world with no access to information. So we can't make excuses for Muslims not knowing about science. Muslim have been asleep for more than 600 years so our culture has not really moved forward in real terms.

    It's a tricky thing when dealing with Muslims because you are dealing with people who have emotional problems. One way to shock a Muslim (when something bad happens) is too ask "WHERE'S ALLAH!?"

    Through Logic, truth can be ascertained.
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