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 Topic: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence

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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #30 - February 14, 2011, 09:54 PM

    The evening madrassas are bad, and the all-day schools are terrible too.  It's inevitable that an unregulated system, where class sizes are too high,  where religion sanctions the use of physical punishment, where children have to learn difficult arabic pronunciation, you will get this kind of abuse.

    As well as child abuse issues, the program exposed many other things, namely:
    • Preaching isolationism/anti-integration
    • Preaching hatred of unbelievers (particularly hindus and jews)
    • Preaching to young children, in a nightmarish and vivid way, the torture inflicted upon the dwellers of hell

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #31 - February 14, 2011, 10:02 PM

    it's already on youtube! i cannot see part 2 tho

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3hFT6gJ8NE


    Part 2 is now up.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jhYw1wu_n8&feature=watch_response
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #32 - February 14, 2011, 10:06 PM

    i went to this person's channel and it's easier to navigate from there. just watched part 1, it's shocking! how can you possibly teach to hate what others (i mean the kufar of course) do???

    I think a lot of us were brought here by google. Verily google guides whom it wills!

  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #33 - February 14, 2011, 10:06 PM

    argh, forgot to put the link:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/MegaSpliffster

    I think a lot of us were brought here by google. Verily google guides whom it wills!

  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #34 - February 14, 2011, 10:15 PM

    I know quite a few Muslim kids from Islamic Schools who have left Islam.
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #35 - February 14, 2011, 10:17 PM

    Any distinct reasons why?
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #36 - February 14, 2011, 10:18 PM

    Man is this shocking and sad. The worse thing is that it's hardly likely that any change will be made.

    When will society stop accepting the antics of fanatical Muslims?  finmad
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #37 - February 14, 2011, 10:22 PM

    Any distinct reasons why?


    They were put there by parents - but they were of a different character and whereas a constant diet of religious nonsense can brainwash some - for others it what turns them away.
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #38 - February 14, 2011, 10:33 PM

    The British educational supervision is seems very loose.  Hopefully this will open up a lot more journalism and investigations into faith based school.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #39 - February 14, 2011, 10:49 PM

    From my days at Islamia - which was nothing like these Daru-Uloom schools:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wh0v-BL880
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #40 - February 14, 2011, 10:51 PM

    Darul Uloom as it was back in the days.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WDNSz6pIA

  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #41 - February 14, 2011, 11:41 PM

    The MCB just tweeted this:

    We have just seen Channel 4 Dispatches programme on the coverage of some Islamic Schools and will be releasing a statement shortly.

    I can't wait to read it...

    I just saw the programme too.  Dr Taj Hargey said that the word "kafir" is like the N word.  Fair play to him for being a moderate but I really don't understand how he reconciles his opinions with the Quran.  Does he want the word removed from the holy book?


    MCB Responds to Channel 4 Dispatches Documentary: One Incident of Child-abuse is One Incident Too Many
     
    On Monday 14th February, Channel 4 aired a Dispatches programme entitled, 'Lessons in Hate and Violence', that painted a highly disturbing picture of young Muslims experiencing intolerant teachings and violence in mosque schools.
     
    The Muslim Council of Britain regards it as a priority that the professionalism and regard for the health and safety of children that characterises mainstream schooling should operate without fail in Islamic educational settings. We have asked Channel 4’s Commissioning Editor of Documentaries, Mr. Hamish Mykura, to ask if Dispatches has reported the abuse recorded in this programme to Bradford Social Services and we have yet to receive a reply.
     
    More generally, the Muslim Council of Britain has been active in ensuring that madrasah and mosque-based education is universally subject to regular Ofsted inspections and Criminal Records Bureau checks and we have the full support of our affiliate organisations in this matter.
     
    The Muslim Council of Britain does not believe that the abuse of children in madrasah and mosque-based education is a widespread phenomenon in Britain and we believe that the vast majority of British mosques hold the health and safety of children to be of utmost importance, following true Islamic teaching and British law.
     
    However, as far as we are concerned, one incident of child-abuse is one incident too many. Our community must work together to root out any such behaviour in our precious institutions.
     
    The Muslim Council of Britain also condemns without reservation any bigotry towards members of other faiths that may exist within the Muslim community, especially if this is promulgated in educational settings.  The MCB, along with the vast majority of British Muslims, consider freedom of conscience in religion with fear of harassment or ridicule to be a fundamental Islamic value and a universal human right.
     
    In the case of an institution referred to in this Dispatches programme, we have been assured by the institution itself that it has taken decisive and effective action with regards to removing from any educational duty individuals involved in the preaching of bigoted, un-Islamic attitudes.
     
    END
     
    Notes to Editors
     
    The Muslim Council of Britain is the UK's largest Muslim umbrella body with around 500 affiliated national, regional and local organisations, mosques, charities and schools.
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #42 - February 14, 2011, 11:43 PM

    btw I still get emails from them though don't know when I ever asked for them.
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #43 - February 14, 2011, 11:45 PM

    Quote
    The Muslim Council of Britain does not believe that the abuse of children in madrasah and mosque-based education is a widespread phenomenon in Britain

    lol

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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #44 - February 14, 2011, 11:57 PM

    The MCB know full well what's going in mosques and madrassas but they're too busy looking for "islamophobia" and doing dawah rather than getting their house in order.  Every Muslim knows that beating is a common occurrence in the vast majority of Quranic classes.  All of the spokesmen at the MCB were smacked by their imams too back in the day.

    A bit if introspection wouldn't go amiss.

    lol

    lol indeed.  They'll say anything to reassure the ignorant non-Muslims.

    .
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #45 - February 15, 2011, 12:00 AM

    The MCB know full well what's going in mosques and madrassas but they're too busy looking for "islamophobia" and doing dawah rather than get their house in order.  Every Muslim knows that beating is a common occurrence in the vast majority of Quranic classes.  All of the spokesmen at the MCB were smacked by their imams too back in the day.

    A bit if introspection wouldn't go amiss.


    This^
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #46 - February 15, 2011, 12:05 AM

    Haha ... it's common for Mesabs to beat children in the homes of the children when visiting them. Not as badly, but still. And in Bangaldesh ... sticks are common :( Parents think "that'll teach 'em".

    Sweeping generalizations - but there are truths to it I think.
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #47 - February 15, 2011, 12:07 AM

    In the case of an institution referred to in this Dispatches programme, we have been assured by the institution itself that it has taken decisive and effective action with regards to removing from any educational duty individuals involved in the preaching of bigoted, un-Islamic attitudes.

    lol
    The Quran and Hadith are full of bigotry and intolerance towards kafirs, homosexuals, etc.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #48 - February 15, 2011, 01:18 AM

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?68722-Muslim-institutions-targeted-Dispatches-Lessons-in-Hate-and-Violence

    http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/lessons-hate-violence-another-islamophobic-dispatches-shockumentary-42266/

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/93393-lessons-hate-violence-undercover-mainstream-uk-muslim-school.html

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?285744-Lessons-in-Hate-and-Violence-C4-February-14th-2011

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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #49 - February 15, 2011, 02:08 AM

    I almost dropped dead on the floor when I read this on the sunni forum in response to this documentary:

    "I agree that Channel 4 (and every other media channel for that matter) has its own bias. However, the question we really need to discuss is: How come they have had room to target us as a community in such a manner? What have we done as a community to put a complete end to abusing children in such a manner? Is it really all a bias or is there actually some truth that we need to face up to and appropriately deal with?[/b]"

    It seems Shaytan is putting on his woolen gloves and ice skates..
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #50 - February 15, 2011, 02:18 AM

    Unfortunately, looking at much of the other Islamic responses, many of them seem to be nothing more than sweeping blanket statements which essentially state 'they're just trying to make muslims look bad' and very few seem to even acknowledge what the documentary is actually showing.
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #51 - February 15, 2011, 05:11 AM

    Anyone (like moi) who has been to a madrassa will know that this is common place and actually the violence in this school wasn't as bad as I have seen it in the past.
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #52 - February 15, 2011, 05:31 AM

    often hear? madrassas are usually a supplement to education in the eyes of muslims, not a replacement :/

    my parents wouldn't dream of sending me to a madrassa full-time


    You don't live in a Muslim majority country then?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #53 - February 15, 2011, 05:33 AM

    Stop trolling you cock

    fuck you
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #54 - February 15, 2011, 11:17 AM

    Response from the Sunniforum - what else would one expect?

    Quote
    It is not uncommon in any school for staff to have to occassionally subject to disciplinary measure due to inappropriate behaviour


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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #55 - February 15, 2011, 11:24 AM

    Quote
    It is not uncommon in any school for staff to have to occassionally subject to disciplinary measure due to inappropriate behaviour


    Ahoy there, Captain Obvious!

    But what does that have to do with unnecessary physical violence against children?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #56 - February 15, 2011, 11:47 AM


    Just want to say to start off, that Dr Taj Hargey is a great man.

    Secondly, straight up, the abuse that was happening in Keighley, with children being kicked and punched by a sadistic bastard, made my blood boil. Apparently a man has been arrested off the back of that, but I find it difficult to believe that nobody else in that mosque, the leaders of the committee or whatever, did not know about it, or hear about it, and so there must be other people culpable by allowing it to continue or through negligence.

    Thirdly, I noticed that the deobandi school in Sparkhill have closed down for the day, apparently for the safety of the pupils in case they get abused by the 'far-right'. Thats right, they are the actual victims, and Tazeen Ahmad and Dispatches are the perpetrators of injustice for bringing to light their hate mongering against non Muslims, not just against the evil satanic kuffar white folks, but against other minority groups like Jews and Hindus too. Amazing stuff.


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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #57 - February 15, 2011, 12:02 PM


    Did you notice when during the assembly they were talking about the horrible Hindus and the crafty kaffirs, the guy used the same rhetoric as Mehdi Hassan - that they were people without any 'intellect' or intelligence?

    Interesting that.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #58 - February 15, 2011, 12:07 PM

    I've seen worse in my mosque, and I don't even live in a densely "radical" Muslim populated area.  I didn't see any ear pulling in Dispatches but I did in my mosque.  This was in the 1990s though.

    One time EVERY kid (including me) got a painful smack on the backside with a stick because nobody owned up to something (I forgot what that 'something' was).

    I was also taught that Muslims are clean and non-Muslims aren't, and that our trousers should be above the ankle or the ankle will burn in the hell fire, and other stuff too.

    However there was some stuff in those Dispatches mosques that I wasn't taught (thankfully!).

    .
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #59 - February 15, 2011, 12:08 PM

    Another irony moment was when the preacher said that non-Muslims use mind control techniques.  lol


    Yeah that was a good one.

    You hear that repeated when someone either criticises Islam, or does not show the requisite level of respect.

    Its part of that good old cognitive dissonance thing - how to explain the disparity between the claims that Islam makes for itself, the claims that Muslims make for Islam, its self-evident triumph and magnificence, and the reality.

    Yeah, its mind control, they're using mind control, innit.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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