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 Topic: defending islam

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  • defending islam
     OP - February 23, 2011, 06:33 AM
    Hi there,

    having never been a muslim myself perhaps my questions may seem naive.. but here goes!

    When you see a young (or old for that matter) muslim woman wearing the hijab and defending islam,  how does it make you feel?

    i hear muslim women say that their religion "frees" them, that they have never felt restricted because of their religion.

    Is this really true?

    when you were muslim, did you feel free?

    i am confused about the subject because every female muslim i have ever met (and maybe ive just been fortunate here) has been such a beautiful person with a kind soul and so i have to wonder what they really believe, or what they really feel.

    i have also heard muslim women say they dont want western women (always amused since they live in the western world as well) pitying them and they infact pity western women. (i really wish they wouldnt, i like who i am)
    Beyonce was right; If you like it then you probably should put a ring on it. Tongue
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #1 - February 23, 2011, 06:51 AM
    I was watching a show on addictions last night. They say that denial goes hand in hand with addiction. People deny they have a problem. Acknowledging that there is a problem is the first step towards recovery. I am not saying that Islam=addiction, but I feel about your question the same way I feel about a drug addict saying to a shrink that he/she is doing OK and could quit drugs if they wanted. Isn't this freedom - being able to do what you want?
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #2 - February 23, 2011, 07:23 AM
    Quote from: Lauz on February 23, 2011, 06:33 AM
    Hi there,

    having never been a muslim myself perhaps my questions may seem naive.. but here goes!

    When you see a young (or old for that matter) muslim woman wearing the hijab and defending islam,  how does it make you feel?

    i hear muslim women say that their religion "frees" them, that they have never felt restricted because of their religion.

    Is this really true?

    when you were muslim, did you feel free?

    i am confused about the subject because every female muslim i have ever met (and maybe ive just been fortunate here) has been such a beautiful person with a kind soul and so i have to wonder what they really believe, or what they really feel.

    i have also heard muslim women say they dont want western women (always amused since they live in the western world as well) pitying them and they infact pity western women. (i really wish they wouldnt, i like who i am)

    Lauz  you write funnny and fascinating posts., Just now I read all of your 15 posts.You see, it is O.k. for  a born in Islam Muslim women to defend Islam and to defend hijab., that is all right.,   but  what is NOT right is showing their faces to you.   Damn you are one heck of  a lucky guy., Being a non-Muslim  you are meeting all beautiful Muslim women .  Did they  open their burkhs for you to show their face??

    Yes you are right they are inded beautiful .,, Huh! what a picture..



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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #3 - February 23, 2011, 01:15 PM
    There's nothing wrong with women wearing a head scarve in my opinion it should be there choice that is what a free and open society would allow. if a women feels comfortable wearing one let her if she decideds to remove it she is free to do that as well. That is a free society. We would be no better than the molvis and the sheiks that insist women cover up if we take the opposite stand point and still try and dictate what women do. They have the right to make up their minds.
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #4 - February 23, 2011, 01:46 PM
    Quote from: superomario on February 23, 2011, 01:15 PM
    There's nothing wrong with women wearing a head scarve in my opinion it should be there choice that is what a free and open society would allow. if a women feels comfortable wearing one let her if she decideds to remove it she is free to do that as well. That is a free society. We would be no better than the molvis and the sheiks that insist women cover up if we take the opposite stand point and still try and dictate what women do. They have the right to make up their minds.

    I absolutely agree with you 100% superomario ., what all I want is to speak and to have freedom to speak whether i am writing right  or wrong.  And.. and neither I mind this picture



    nor I mind this picture




    Again., what all I want is have freedom to comment ., And..and I am having a beer  watching the video of a jew + responding to you along with looking for Burkha and bikini pictures on the screen

    http://www.vega.org.uk/video/programme/47

    huh!  what a 21st century life..

    with best regards
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #5 - February 23, 2011, 01:56 PM
    Wow, that's some good stoner philosophy Yeezevee.

  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #6 - February 23, 2011, 02:06 PM
    Quote from: Cokerface on February 23, 2011, 01:56 PM
    Wow, that's some good stoner philosophy Yeezevee.



    Actually I was fascinated by the post of   Lauz .,  He is reading me and he is in the forum but doesn't come out ..lol..  but I also don't want the good friend superomario  misunderstand my post.  I am very good in misrepresenting my views in forums like these.,  
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #7 - February 23, 2011, 03:30 PM
    In my opinion women wear hijab for three reasons:

    1) Because Allah commands them to
    2) Because their father/mother/brother/cousin/uncle/aunt forces/tell them to

    or,

    3) Because it frees them from their own insecurities about themselves (and how men perceive them)

    If muslimahs talk about being "free" then this is the kind of freedom I believe they are talking about. When western women talk about being free, they are talking about being free from the shackles of how men (or by extension, god) want them to behave.
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #8 - February 23, 2011, 04:45 PM
    I never felt free in Islam I felt restricted and suffocated all fun and joy seemed to be sucked from all things how the super religious tend to do. Although I do miss the freedom of ignorance an that comfort u get from believing in my invisible friend in the sky.
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #9 - February 23, 2011, 05:09 PM
    Thank you all for your posts first things first i have got to say i find you all to be very funny people with a great sense of humour!!

    secondly, Lauz is short for Laura, which is a girls name.. yeah, im a girl..  but if you wish to think of me as a man i wont stop you.. lol..

    Thank you all for your answers, even if you are just having a laugh.. i appreciate them!!

     Afro

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    Beyonce was right; If you like it then you probably should put a ring on it. Tongue
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #10 - February 23, 2011, 05:16 PM
    Quote

    Thank you all for your posts first things first i have got to say i find you all to be very funny people with a great sense of humour!!

    secondly, Lauz is short for Laura, which is a girls name.. yeah, im a girl..  but if you wish to think of me as a man i wont stop you.. lol..

    Thank you all for your answers, even if you are just having a laugh.. i appreciate them!!


     
    Here comes MAB running his fastest while thinking up a sophisticated way to verbally make a move on you.



     
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #11 - February 23, 2011, 07:01 PM
    Quote from: Lauz on February 23, 2011, 05:09 PM
    Thank you all for your posts first things first i have got to say i find you all to be very funny people with a great sense of humour!!

    secondly, Lauz is short for Laura, which is a girls name.. yeah, im a girl..  but if you wish to think of me as a man i wont stop you.. lol..

    Thank you all for your answers, even if you are just having a laugh.. i appreciate them!!

     Afro

     dance

     Smiley


     .. lori..lodi ..lodi ..  Damn., I never get anything right., When it comes to the gender thing on cyberspace My foot goes  in to dirt, It is hard to figure out who is in burkha and who is not. But thank you Laura for clearing that.  So what say Laura?  Women whom you met are happy and love burkha??  Did you ask them whether they will also be happy with normal clothes such as these ..

    http://www.bargello.com/Traditional+Styles_107_273_1.htm
    http://www.bargello.com/Dress+to+Impress_107_272_1.htm
    http://www.dressrepublic.com/store/AquaIceNerang-1862-DR3740.htm

    Please ask them next time whether they prefer Burkha over the ones you see in the above links ., or do they want to look like this??



    with best regards
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #12 - February 23, 2011, 09:10 PM
    I'm replying to this post through my mindset when I was religious.
    - Yes.
    They do actually believe they are being freed from the shackles of society.
    They believe that women are seen merely as sex object and thus wearing hijab/burqah frees them from that.
    They are looking at it through their view of a femenist.

    ^ This is how ii used to think.
    But little did I know that the whole idea of hijab and Burqah was thought of by a MAN.

    But other than the hijab things, I did feel restricted by religion.
    I was never allowed to play football when I was around ten.
    I was never EVER allowed to ride a bike.
    I was also always self-conscious about myself and could never be myself because of the hijab.

    If a girl feels that she likes the hijab, then good for her and we shouldnt try to change her mind.
    But thats my secular mindset thinking, the religious people think the opposite of that.
    They think they know what is right and wut is not.
    Which pisses me off.
    But oh well, I'm free now.
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #13 - February 23, 2011, 09:38 PM
    Quote from: Hananii on February 23, 2011, 09:10 PM
    I'm replying to this post through my mindset when I was religious.
    - Yes.
    They do actually believe they are being freed from the shackles of society.
    They believe that women are seen merely as sex object and thus wearing hijab/burqah frees them from that.
    They are looking at it through their view of a femenist.

    ^ This is how ii used to think.

    I wonder,  did you grow up in countries such as Australia, UK, Europe ..US or in the middle eastern Islamic countries  Hananii??  For young women of 15 to 25  year old to believe that  they are being freed from the shackles of society means they must have been brain washed since the age of 3 without any references from Scriptures..

    In the case of friends of Laura, that may be different, Those women though have freedom to express the way they like ., they might have chosen to put on burkha on street just assert their religion on the locals and show them how pious and good women they are unlike those women without tents..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #14 - February 23, 2011, 09:54 PM
    Quote from: Hananii on February 23, 2011, 09:10 PM
    They do actually believe they are being freed from the shackles of society.
    They believe that women are seen merely as sex object and thus wearing hijab/burqah frees them from that.

    Do you realize how offensive that is to men? Granted the wast majority of Muslim men don't even realize that it is profoundly offensive.
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #15 - February 23, 2011, 10:00 PM
    I think a vast majority of Muslim men are fine with that definition, it suits their purpose.

    Muslim women are lead to believe that men see women as sex objects, they lower the bar for expectations from men, and as a result women expect less from men in terms of self-restraint.

    It's amazing to think that all these rules and regulations are brainchild of one man's world-view towards women, towards men. He must have had such low self-esteem, to project men in such a two-dimensional manner.
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #16 - February 24, 2011, 03:42 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 23, 2011, 09:54 PM
    Do you realize how offensive that is to men? Granted the wast majority of Muslim men don't even realize that it is profoundly offensive.

    Yup. I do see how offensive it is.
    But then again, I guess thats how Muhammad viewed himself, and thus thats how all men are.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 23, 2011, 09:38 PM
    I wonder,  did you grow up in countries such as Australia, UK, Europe ..US or in the middle eastern Islamic countries  Hananii??


    I was raised in the US.
    I was always a feminist though, and thats how ive been brainwashed to think feminism is.
    Of course, thats changed obviously.
  • Re: defending islam
     Reply #17 - February 28, 2011, 09:48 PM
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    Quote
    Quote from  Kenan :
    Do you realize how offensive that is to men? Granted the wast majority of Muslim men don't even realize that it is profoundly offensive.

      Hananii :
    Yup. I do see how offensive it is.
    But then again, I guess thats how Muhammad viewed himself, and thus thats how all men are.
    I was raised in the US.


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    yeezevee: 
    I wonder,  did you grow up in countries such as Australia, UK, Europe ..US or in the middle eastern Islamic countries  Hananii??

     Hananii: I was always a feminist though, and thats how ive been brainwashed to think feminism is.
    Of course, thats changed obviously.


    That is a nice response Hananii.,  but how do you answer a fellow like tariqthedecentman?  please watch the video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKo0c_7_ZbY

    Music is noisy.. please decrease the sound  lol..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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