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 Topic: The Buddah

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  • Re: The Buddah
     Reply #60 - February 28, 2011, 09:15 PM

    Yeezevee, you're a very smart munchkin. Where is the chupacabra in your avatar?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The Buddah
     Reply #61 - February 28, 2011, 10:10 PM

    You mean in Buddhism or in my understanding? I think you are missing the point in any case. The point is the "philosophy" can be easily used to control masses just like any other religion.


    This is the part you need to be explaining. I don’t see how you’ve drawn your conclusion. I don’t immediately see how the ‘Four Noble Truths’ can be used to control the masses like any other religion.

    To the best of my understanding, the ‘Four Noble Truths’ are not statements of logical fact per se. They are simply ‘categories of experience’ in a simple philosophy model, the  aim of which is to cleanse yourself of self-affliction. I don’t mean cleanse as in eradicate, I mean cleanse as in refine and improve your mental attitude and actions, encourage positive self-development, positive mental attitude, positive reaction via actions, etc (see the Eight Fold Path). It is simply a method of self-diagnosis, a model of conduct for right manner.

    There is the truth of stress and suffering (unskillful effect), the truth of the origination of stress (unskillful cause), the truth of the cessation of stress (skillful effect), and the truth of the path to the cessation of stress (skillful cause). The Four Truths attempt to redefine the concept of the 'self', replacing me/not me and being/not being with a different philosophical model of cause/effect.

    "'Stress should be known. The cause by which stress comes into play should be known. The diversity in stress should be known. The result of stress should be known. The cessation of stress should be known. The path of practice for the cessation of stress should be known.' Thus it has been said. Why was it said?

    "Birth is stressful, aging is stressful, death is stressful; sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair are stressful; association with what is not loved is stressful, separation from what is loved is stressful, not getting what is wanted is stressful. In short, the five clinging-aggregates are stressful.

    "And what is the cause by which stress comes into play? Craving is the cause by which stress comes into play.

    "And what is the diversity in stress? There is major stress & minor, slowly fading & quickly fading. This is called the diversity in stress.

    "And what is the result of stress? There are some cases in which a person overcome with pain, his mind exhausted, grieves, mourns, laments, beats his breast, & becomes bewildered. Or one overcome with pain, his mind exhausted, comes to search outside, 'Who knows a way or two to stop this pain?' I tell you, monks, that stress results either in bewilderment or in search.

    "And what is the cessation of stress? The cessation of craving is the cessation of stress, and just this noble eightfold path is the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress: right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.

    "Now when a disciple of the noble ones discerns stress in this way, the cause by which stress comes into play in this way, the diversity of stress in this way, the result of stress in this way, the cessation of stress in this way, & the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress in this way, then he discerns this penetrative holy life as the cessation of stress.

    "'Stress should be experienced. The cause by which stress comes into play... The variations in stress... The result of stress... The cessation of stress... The path of practice for the cessation of stress should be experienced.' Thus it has been said, and this is why it was said."

    ~ Anguttara Nikaya VI:63

    How on earth did I draw the conclusion? Well, would you agree that at least 49% of humanity are weaker than average, have less than average intellect? Strength is relative. So in a society there will always be weak ones, whom you despise and blame for being gullible and abused by religious. What good is such an aristocratic attitude in 21st century?


    Thing is, your conclusion only makes sense if I let you put words into my mouth. Nowhere did I say I “blame” or “despise” weak people. I said: religion is a door that is always open for the weak (amongst others). You understand the difference, right? I was essentially agreeing with you. Yes, people do abuse religion to abuse others. I also said: people should take responsibility for their own choices in life. Do you disagree with this statement? It seems reasonable to me.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The Buddah
     Reply #62 - February 28, 2011, 11:04 PM

    All I see is superstition and fairy tales in the "noble truths" and reincarnations. To make someone believe in fairy tales and utilize their fears of death you need to refine the bullshit noble truths by giving them air of sanctity, authority and all things that come with religions. The beauty is that I don't need to explain how Buddhism could become a religion since it already is with its shrines and beggars monks who have attained nirvana. If you want to know only about the four "truths" in particular, then I think I demonstrated how it could be used to idealize laziness instead of striving to achieve (since striving or jihad is quite the opposite of eradicating desires) and giving away money to demi-devas. Overall, this particular superstition doesn't intrigue me as much as Islam, so if I failed to convey my point - so be it.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The Buddah
     Reply #63 - February 28, 2011, 11:07 PM

    Ok.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The Buddah
     Reply #64 - March 01, 2011, 12:17 AM

    Yeezevee, you're a very smart munchkin. Where is the chupacabra in your avatar?

    well i have to deal with different religions and cultures in life .  I learn on the way  and i don't see the point of irritating others. The goal is making them understand. You see Alex,  you have to realize that every one can not be Richard Dawkins on this earth. So learn to live that whether they are Muslims or other wise., What all one needs is freedom to question and freedom of expression without any one beating you up.

    And you have the right to question Buddah and his ism any where on this earth including in the middle of Buddhist temples with 100s of them  around you.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: The Buddah
     Reply #65 - March 01, 2011, 12:25 AM

    Yeezevee,

    Thanks for a nightmare suggestion Smiley
    So, where is the chupacabra? So many posters - need to spot you somehow.


    @Alex

    I'm glad to see you fess up. The first step to recovery is ...

     


    Desire to reform happens to be a key ingredient here so I won't place any bets.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The Buddah
     Reply #66 - March 01, 2011, 12:39 AM

    Yeezevee,

    Thanks for a nightmare suggestion Smiley
    So, where is the chupacabra? So many posters - need to spot you somehow.

    Desire to reform happens to be a key ingredient here so I won't place any bets.

    you  are welcome Alex.,  well some one took it off i don't know who., ask CEMB chiefs Alex

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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