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 Topic: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #30 - March 11, 2011, 07:38 PM

    The expressions on the face of baby pig will continue to haunt you.

    When did you become a vegetarian?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #31 - March 11, 2011, 07:43 PM

    Two weeks ago! After watching that video for the first time.

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #32 - March 11, 2011, 07:46 PM

    And before that, when you were eating a succulent steak or a tasty burger, were you haunted by the face of a baby cow?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #33 - March 11, 2011, 07:50 PM

    No, I was ignorant, who didn't even try to find out how cows feel.

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #34 - March 11, 2011, 07:52 PM

    Yes, you know full well that I'm not "haunted by the face of a baby pig". So, are you gonna stop being silly?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #35 - March 11, 2011, 08:00 PM

    @Muddy

    Pay no mind to these hooligans. Vegetarianism is logically unassailable. Tell me how you came to embrace the philosophy. Peter Singer was it? Nah, I don't think of you as the reading type. So what's the story brother?

    @Q-Man

    All of the arguments you deploy against Muddy seem to boil down to the fact humans are ominovores. Relax man, I hear you say, it's natural. Setting aside momentarily the observation that cooking is highly unnatural and that carnivorous animals including our own ancestors for countless eons consumed meat in the raw, there are a great many things which are natural that are nevertheless ill-keeping with morality.

    It might be natural for the strong to dominate the weak, for animals to have a social hierarchy and pecking order determined by muscle, for society to be governed by a queen in the mould of ants that lords it over benighted workers. Everything which Marxist types never tire of carping about night and day. If what is natural is the arbiter of morality, why do you not consider yourself a social Darwinist in the conservative mould? The conservative is true to his biology and governs his life by what advances his own survival and his own interest. If his interests conflict with those of others, so much the worse for others! Social Darwinism. I recommend it.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #36 - March 11, 2011, 08:07 PM

    I LIKE MEAT, BITCH!

    ASSAIL THAT

    fuck you
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #37 - March 11, 2011, 08:10 PM

    So do I brother, so do I. I like to dismember the flesh of incoherent Marxists and eat them for lunch. It goes best with Spanish white wine. Fancy a bite?
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #38 - March 11, 2011, 08:42 PM

    Dude MaB, although I like you, but please, next time you come to my thread, post things in simple understandable English.

    Thank you

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #39 - March 11, 2011, 09:02 PM

    ...
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #40 - March 11, 2011, 09:13 PM

    Your posts looks like some kind of literature which only PhD's in English can understand. We are just regular humans. So please speak at our levels.

    Thank you..

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #41 - March 11, 2011, 09:15 PM

    All of the arguments you deploy against Muddy seem to boil down to the fact humans are ominovores. Relax man, I hear you say, it's natural. Setting aside momentarily the observation that cooking is highly unnatural and that carnivorous animals including our own ancestors for countless eons consumed meat in the raw, there are a great many things which are natural that are nevertheless ill-keeping with morality.

    It might be natural for the strong to dominate the weak, for animals to have a social hierarchy and pecking order determined by muscle, for society to be governed by a queen in the mould of ants that lords it over benighted workers. Everything which Marxist types never tire of carping about night and day. If what is natural is the arbiter of morality, why do you not consider yourself a social Darwinist in the conservative mould? The conservative is true to his biology and governs his life by what advances his own survival and his own interest. If his interests conflict with those of others, so much the worse for others! Social Darwinism. I recommend it.

    Well said cheers



    Also, Appeal To Nature
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #42 - March 11, 2011, 09:20 PM

    Your posts looks like some kind of literature which only PhD's in English can understand. We are just regular humans. So please speak at our levels.

    Thank you..

    What he basically said, is that the fact that something happens in nature isn't a good reason to do it. We do a lot of things not found in nature, e.g living in houses, driving cars, using vaccination. Amirite MAB?
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #43 - March 11, 2011, 10:11 PM

    Although the video u posted was sad and disturbing that is not the practice in all if not most farms as long as it's a family farm or a free range farm the animals are treated with respect and treated almost like a pet. Those videos are from factory farms and I'd say all from the USA. What needs to be done is having proper farms and stop corporate factory farms fro
     Buying out family farms.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #44 - March 11, 2011, 10:16 PM

    ..

  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #45 - March 11, 2011, 10:25 PM

    @Supermario

    What is needed is not the abolition of battery farming, but the termination of our Nazi treatment of other species. I forgot to address this post of yours:

    Stop the slaughter of plants and trees they are living beings! It's immoral to eat anything that's alive or was living! Oh noes!!!

    The objection is not to killing, but to suffering. Plants do not have a brain with a central nervous system that can register pain. It's a false analogy. The faculty of sentience, that is to say the capacity to feel pain or pleasure, belongs only to such creatures as have a brain. Plants do not experience any feeling when uprooted.


  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #46 - March 11, 2011, 10:28 PM

    ..
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #47 - March 11, 2011, 10:30 PM

    All of the arguments you deploy against Muddy seem to boil down to the fact humans are ominovores. Relax man, I hear you say, it's natural. Setting aside momentarily the observation that cooking is highly unnatural and that carnivorous animals including our own ancestors for countless eons consumed meat in the raw, there are a great many things which are natural that are nevertheless ill-keeping with morality.

    It might be natural for the strong to dominate the weak, for animals to have a social hierarchy and pecking order determined by muscle, for society to be governed by a queen in the mould of ants that lords it over benighted workers. Everything which Marxist types never tire of carping about night and day. If what is natural is the arbiter of morality, why do you not consider yourself a social Darwinist in the conservative mould? The conservative is true to his biology and governs his life by what advances his own survival and his own interest. If his interests conflict with those of others, so much the worse for others! Social Darwinism. I recommend it.


    I would contest the idea that such things are "natural" in the sense of being part of our physiology.

    There is nothing immoral about tending to our physiological needs, provided that suffering is minimized. Again, I accept the moral argument against factory farming, but not against consuming animal protein if the animal is killed in a relatively quick and humane manner.

    fuck you
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #48 - March 11, 2011, 10:38 PM

    If nature is the ultimate arbiter of morality as some maintain, if we are justified in maltreating other creatures for our own ends because it is natural, then it is no less justified to oppress the physically weak, to let the poor and the disabled starve, to form a social hierarchy maintained by force and to have an absolute monarchy. No feminism, no welfare state, no upward social mobility, no democracy.  If our Darwinian instincts governed our moral decisions we would live in a radically altered society predicated on what Thomas Hobbes called bellum omnium contra omnes, that is to say a war of all against all.   

    Kinda debatable bro, I agree that in many species that's how the society works, strong rule the weaker, however there are also other examples where the species must coexist to survive, examples: ants, bees, and bonobos. Is a socially darwinistic society actually good for human survival, or is it actually counter productive?
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #49 - March 11, 2011, 10:41 PM

     
    I would contest the idea that such things are "natural" in the sense of being part of our physiology.

    There is nothing immoral about tending to our physiological needs, provided that suffering is minimized. Again, I accept the moral argument against factory farming, but not against consuming animal protein if the animal is killed in a relatively quick and humane manner.

    There's no contention that by the law of Darwinian evolution the strong prey on the weak, that society is governed hierarchically, that muscle prevails over reason. These are universally acknowledged facts plain to anyone who switches on the Discovery Channel.

    If it is moral to eat another creature for no more pressing reason than because you enjoy the taste it leaves in your palate, it is moral to trample the weak underfoot.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #50 - March 11, 2011, 10:47 PM

    Kinda debatable bro, I agree that in many species that's how the society works, strong rule the weaker, however there are also other examples where the species must coexist to survive, examples: ants, bees, and bonobos. Is a socially darwinistic society actually good for human survival, or is it actually counter productive?

    Don't conflate egalitarianism with coexistence. One can coexist under a tyranny. If anything democracy is less inefficient a system than a tyranny where a dominant head bypasses the squabbling of the group and gets things done. As the old joke has it, Mussolini made the trains run on time.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #51 - March 11, 2011, 10:50 PM

    @MAB

    I'd like to know more about how you came to be a veggie, pretty please.

    BTW, muddy, that vid was seriously disturbing.  wacko
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #52 - March 11, 2011, 11:16 PM

    Supporting capital punishment in one thread, and supporting vegetarianism in another.

    Cute.  Wink

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #53 - March 11, 2011, 11:23 PM

    Don't conflate egalitarianism with coexistence. One can coexist under a tyranny. If anything democracy is less inefficient a system than a tyranny where a dominant head bypasses the squabbling of the group and gets things done. As the old joke has it, Mussolini made the trains run on time.

    Nah bro, what I'm saying is, what's natural for different species is different, it might be natural for wolves to live in a society which is all about killing the weak, whereas its natural for ants to all work together and sacrifice themselves if needed. Is living like wolves actually natural for humans, or are humans more naturally inclined towards coexisting? That's what I'm asking.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #54 - March 11, 2011, 11:25 PM

    Which word in particular gives you trouble Muddy? It can't be every word surely. I'm not ware of deploying uncommon language. I assume that you know what a "carnivore" is, and an "omnivore" and "unassailable". Those are the only ones I can think of which would trip you up. Is that right? Point out those vewy vewy big words so I can help you my sweet.

    Its not only words. Its your sentence structure. I would rather skip what you said than give myself headache trying to process what you wrote in each sentence.
    But I think it is improved now. You didn't need to use words like egalitarianism, squabbling etc..
    Although the video u posted was sad and disturbing that is not the practice in all if not most farms as long as it's a family farm or a free range farm the animals are treated with respect and treated almost like a pet. Those videos are from factory farms and I'd say all from the USA. What needs to be done is having proper farms and stop corporate factory farms fro
     Buying out family farms.

    Its industrialization of producing animals for meat is a reason, you can totally afford eating meat in every single damn meal. Now remember if you ever lived in Pakistan/India, where meat cost a whole lot more than vegetables. Most of the people eat meat like once a week. Here meat cost even less than vegetables. There is absolutely no way you can get organic farm meat in this quantity you consume industrialized meat easily.

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #55 - March 11, 2011, 11:35 PM

    There's no contention that by the law of Darwinian evolution the strong prey on the weak, that society is governed hierarchically, that muscle prevails over reason. These are universally acknowledged facts plain to anyone who switches on the Discovery Channel.


    Natural selection is all about the strong preying on the weak? And within the same species? Um, no. Evolutionary survival is dependent on many, many things and the strong preying on the weak may not be a major factor in all situations-- consider, for example, the evolution of herbivores. Were natural selection all about animal X overpowering animal Y then all animals would have evolved to be carnivores.

    And while pecking orders/leadership in animal societies that lack reason and the ability to specialize according to training and education rather than instinct, which only humans possess, may be predicated on aggression or strength, this does not necessarily equate to trampling the weak underfoot at all times.

    Finally, if your contention about this being "natural" amongst human societies is correct, then how would you explain the primitive communist social and economic structure of hunter-gatherer tribes?

    If it is moral to eat another creature for no more pressing reason than because you enjoy the taste it leaves in your palate, it is moral to trample the weak underfoot.


    What about if I eat it because it is a highly efficient and complete protein source with high bioavailability and considerably cheaper than purchasing the complete amino acid and vitamin supplements necessary to completely replace the nutrients animal protein provide?

    Supporting capital punishment in one thread, and supporting vegetarianism in another.

    Cute.  Wink


    It's like ishina said-- MAB is the world's greatest troll.

    fuck you
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #56 - March 11, 2011, 11:37 PM

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #57 - March 11, 2011, 11:38 PM

    Supporting capital punishment in one thread, and supporting vegetarianism in another.

    Cute.  Wink

    To your way of thinking what is the conflict between the two outlooks?
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #58 - March 11, 2011, 11:46 PM

    Taking lives of humans and animals is wrong at every level.

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #59 - March 11, 2011, 11:59 PM

    Natural selection is all about the strong preying on the weak? And within the same species? Um, no. Evolutionary survival is dependent on many, many things and the strong preying on the weak may not be a major factor in all situations-- consider, for example, the evolution of herbivores. Were natural selection all about animal X overpowering animal Y then all animals would have evolved to be carnivores.

    Your command of zoology proves defective as your leaking breast implant for brains. Animals in the same species fight over resources like food and women. Muscle determines all. It is not uncommon either for them to devour each other's children when the parents are on some errand.

    Finally, if your contention about this being "natural" amongst human societies is correct, then how would you explain the primitive communist social and economic structure of hunter-gatherer tribes?

    These societies are not egalitarian. The women take their orders from men and the younger members obey the old and the old obey the tribal chief. Hierarachy is the natural condition of men.

    What about if I eat it because it is a highly efficient and complete protein source with high bioavailability and considerably cheaper than purchasing the complete amino acid and vitamin supplements necessary to completely replace the nutrients animal protein provide?

    The meat industry is a wasteful method of feeding people. The grain and water fed to the livestock could more profitably be directed to feeding the world's starving poor. And there is no nutritional value that is acquired from dining on animal flesh that cannot be met by supplements that are less wastefully produced.

    And while pecking orders/leadership in animal societies that lack reason and the ability to specialize according to training and education rather than instinct, which only humans possess, may be predicated on aggression or strength, this does not necessarily equate to trampling the weak underfoot at all times.

    You miss the point. Your argument was that eating animals is good because it is natural. To which I replied aggression and hierarchy are natural too. Nature is not the arbiter of morality but reason.

    It's like ishina said-- MAB is the world's greatest troll.

    I'm unaware of this, but if you're saying it just because I called you mentally defective, I apologise my sweet. I don't wanna hurt my gay lover.
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