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 Topic: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy

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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #60 - March 17, 2011, 08:27 PM

    I was joking, chillax.  grin12
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #61 - March 17, 2011, 11:24 PM

    muddy, muddy... first vegetarian and now believing in homeopathy?? Do you actually believe that one molecule of "active ingredient" in a body of water the size of Jupiter has any effect on humans? For this kind of therapy, you can as well go to the healers with magnets and spirits...

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #62 - March 18, 2011, 12:14 AM

    Anyways, I am getting disappointed the way people on this forum are making assertions against homeopathy without providing any evidence that it doesn't work!

    Its been given, check the links GRB put in his first post on this thread.


    Again, in life and death situation even under test medications should be allowed.

    No, that's when nothing else except what's proven to work should be allowed.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #63 - March 18, 2011, 12:58 AM

    Muddy, I believe that Calendula is not a homeopathic remedy, it's herbal. It may even have anti-viral, and other good properties according to reliable sources. Homeopathy, as called by me in OP is 'magic nothing'. It's almost insane to believe that it really works if you know how it is supposed to work.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #64 - March 18, 2011, 01:01 AM

    Donnie, next homework: look up the word 'meanwhile'. Soviet Russia is long gone. Do you know anyone here who is at least from Soviet Russia? No real person can be so ignorant, you must be sticking to your promise to troll.

    GRB, what does "I am done here" mean, which you posted before 3 or 4 latest posts on the thread?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #65 - March 18, 2011, 01:21 AM

    WELCOME TO BASICS OF LOGIC FOR 5 YEAR OLD'S

    STUDENT NAME: Alex Laam Meem
    STUDENT AGE: 49
    PREVIOUS GRADE: F
    YEARS IN SCHOOL: 44

    PLEASE CHOOSE FROM ONE OF THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS:

    (a) I find homeopathy laughable and don't use it.
    (b) I don't find homeopathy laughable and use it.
    (c) I find homeopathy laughable but use it, please lock me up in an asylum.

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #66 - March 18, 2011, 01:23 AM

    ^ get help, turtle

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #67 - March 18, 2011, 01:25 AM

    I'm guessing its c then?
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #68 - March 18, 2011, 01:33 AM

    I would definitely try a homeopathic spray that makes turtles go away now, even though I don't believe it.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #69 - March 18, 2011, 01:51 AM

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #70 - March 18, 2011, 01:57 AM

    I suppose misspelling 'argument' is part of your humor, or you still haven't discovered a dictionary? What on earth makes you think I want to give you a good argument? How about you respond to my questions first, genius?:

    Donnie, next homework: look up the word 'meanwhile'. Soviet Russia is long gone. Do you know anyone here who is at least from Soviet Russia? No real person can be so ignorant, you must be sticking to your promise to troll.




    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #71 - March 18, 2011, 02:19 AM

    That meme was obviously me trolling in response to your ad hominems. Now answer my question that  I put a couple posts above ^
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #72 - March 18, 2011, 02:27 AM

    I would, if you had an option I agreed with (my position, btw, was spelled out clearly in the OP - that's 3 pages of your trolling ago). Besides in your little mind that would probably be a confirmation of me accepting your lies about me such as my exaggerated age or staying for more years than I have been alive in your imaginary school. Do you know what is projection in psychology?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #73 - March 18, 2011, 02:30 AM

    Your position seems closest to c. If you don't believe in homeopathy, why do you take their pills for flu? That's a contradiction in itself.

    lol @ being butthurt about my fictional school.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #74 - March 18, 2011, 02:42 AM

    Donnie, was that not the whole point of my OP - why do I do it? My reply - that it won't hurt and could possibly benefit - has also been spelled out. That's the whole idea of likening it to Pascal's Wager: people do some shit just in case. Where did I loose you? Are you insinuating that you have never taken an aspirin for headache and then prayed to subhanahu wa ta'ala to make it go away in your beardo days? Don't give me some bullshit that you were stupid then, but atheism made you smarter, or lies that you haven't done it.

    Btw, thanks for ceasing the trolling about which I was about to bitch to the mods, who let you get away with it out of sheer boredom.  

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #75 - March 18, 2011, 02:57 AM

    Donnie, was that not the whole point of my OP - why do I do it? My reply - that it won't hurt and could possibly benefit - has also been spelled out.

    So if you believe that it can possibly benefit, then a) you're not fully educated about homeopathy and should do more research on it, and b) you don't find it laughable, which if you did, you wouldn't believe it able to possibly benefit. And c) You've contradicted yourself.

    Are you insinuating that you have never taken an aspirin for headache and then prayed to subhanahu wa ta'ala to make it go away in your beardo days?

    Sure I did, but I didn't do it while saying that I found the idea of praying to be laughable.


    Btw, thanks for ceasing the trolling about which I was about to bitch to the mods, who let you get away with it out of sheer boredom.  

    Get over yourself, you've been trolling since my first post on this thread, I only started it when you refused to have a normal conversation.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #76 - March 18, 2011, 03:19 AM

    How is it possible to have a normal conversation with you? You say I'm not fully educated about homeopathy, though I had to educate you that it is not made of germs as you thought while your mind was already made up that it can't help. Of course I find the idea behind the homeopathy laughable, I called it quackery and magic, you (insert insult here). I mentioned placebo effect. Did you miss it too? Why do you think it is not possible to convince yourself somewhat that a pill you paid some money for and some people (other than the ones who sold it) claim it really really helps them, might do something good, despite the fact that it is apparently unscientific?

    You believed that God would care enough to answer your headache prayers, though you spit in his face a minute ago by taking aspirin for it. LOL, you funny. Everyone knows God doesn't answer prayers, even mu'minoon know it, though they won't admit to it publicly.


    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #77 - March 18, 2011, 03:31 AM

    I had to educate you that it is not made of germs

    Its made up of substances that cause the disease dilluted in water. You're saying that those substances don't have any germs in them?

    Of course I find the idea behind the homeopathy laughable, I called it quackery and magic, you (insert insult here). I mentioned placebo effect. Did you miss it too? Why do you think it is not possible to convince yourself somewhat that a pill you paid some money for and some people (other than the ones who sold it) claim it really really helps them, might do something good, despite the fact that it is apparently unscientific?

    Because you are the one who called those pills quakery and magic, and you are the one who finds it laughable, yet you think that some good can come out of it. You can't believe that something is quakery, and believe that it might be useful at the same time, that doesn't make any sense.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #78 - March 18, 2011, 03:40 AM

    ^ is exactly what I mean that I can not have a normal conversation with you. Your germs are now becoming straw man since we all know that THE ACTIVE ingredients were in question. Also, I'd hope that great homeopaths would have enough integrity to boil the stupid water.

    You're missing couple of points (as usual). First, since one knows that hp is magic water, it does not preclude them (unless they're stupid) from taking REAL medicine at the same time. Sometimes a cold is too mild to take real medicine, which btw always has side effects. Did you know that? Thus sometimes it is smart to take hp or natural, unproven remedies instead of real medicine. Of course, not when one is very sick. Do you follow?

    Also, just because shaking magic molecules does not produce anything of value in my mind, doesn't prove that a pill, made with such quackery, can not in any way help. The placebo effect proves that "magic" can be beneficial. Do you follow?

    The point is - WHY NOT, assuming a couple of dollars spent on it won't ruin you financially after the sniffles are gone.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #79 - March 18, 2011, 03:55 AM

    Also, I'd hope that great homeopaths would have enough integrity to boil the stupid water.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#Preparation

    Quote
    In producing “remedies” for diseases, homeopaths use a process called dynamisation or potentisation whereby a substance is diluted with alcohol or distilled water and then vigorously shaken by ten hard strikes against an elastic body in a process called succussion. Hahnemann advocated using substances which produce symptoms like those of the disease being treated, but found that material doses intensified the symptoms and exacerbated the condition, sometimes causing dangerous toxic reactions. He therefore specified that the substances be diluted. Hahnemann believed that the succussion activated the vital energy of the diluted substance[54] and made it stronger. To facilitate succussion, Hahnemann had a saddle-maker construct a special wooden striking board covered in leather on one side and stuffed with horsehair.[55][56] Insoluble solids, such as quartz and oyster shell, are diluted by grinding them with lactose (trituration).


    So no boiling, all they do is mix the 'substance which produces symptoms of the disease' into water and vigorously shake it, as described above.

    You're missing couple of points (as usual). First, since one knows that hp is magic water, it does not preclude them (unless they're stupid) from taking REAL medicine at the same time.

    It does in many cases, see the links GRB posted.

    Sometimes a cold is too mild to take real medicine, which btw always has side effects. Did you know that? Thus sometimes it is smart to take hp or natural, unproven remedies instead of real medicine. Of course, not when one is very sick. Do you follow?

    I drink hot tea when I have a cold sometimes, and that fixes it. However simply drinking water (i.e homeopathic medicines) wouldn't have any positive effect. I know that because I know how homepathic medicines are manufactured. If I knew that and still 'believed' that those medicines had some healing properties, I'd be an idiot.

    Also, just because shaking magic molecules

    Not magic molecules, the molecules of the substance which produces the disease.

    does not produce anything of value in my mind, doesn't prove that a pill, made with such quackery, can not in any way help. The placebo effect proves that "magic" can be beneficial. Do you follow?

    Placebo is only alleged to work if the patient thinks that its real medicine. It wouldn't work for you because you claim to find homeopathy laughable.

    The point is - WHY NOT, assuming a couple of dollars spent on it won't ruin you financially after the sniffles are gone.

    Go ahead and do it, but it just shows that you don't actually think homeopathy is laughable, you have some faith in it. Also, you're knowingly taking diluted doses of a subtance that actually produces disease symptoms. So, enjoy.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #80 - March 18, 2011, 04:09 AM

    no

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #81 - March 18, 2011, 04:12 AM

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #82 - March 18, 2011, 04:37 AM

    ^ The little clip was funny, though I am not sure what it means in this context?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#Preparation

    So no boiling, all they do was mix the 'substance which produces symptoms of the disease' into water and vigorously shake it, as described above.
    It does in many cases, see the links GRB posted.
    I drink hot tea when I have a cold sometimes, and that fixes it. However simply drinking water (i.e homeopathic medicines) wouldn't have any positive effect. I know that because I know how homepathic medicines are manufactured. If I knew that and still 'believed' that those medicines had some healing properties, I'd be an idiot.
    Not magic molecules, the molecules of the substance which produces the disease.
    Placebo is only alleged to work if the patient thinks that its real medicine. It wouldn't work for you because you claim to find homeopathy laughable.
    Go ahead and do it, but it just shows that you don't actually think homeopathy is laughable, you have some faith in it. Also, you're knowingly taking diluted doses of a subtance that actually produces disease symptoms. So, enjoy.


    There you go again. Read a book or something, I have no time to be your mentor on all the gaps in your knowledge. Try educating yourself for a change.

    What is medicinal and not poisonous is determined by amount of it. It already has been pointed out here, on this very thread. Try paying attention for a change.

    I never said that what heals me is placebo effect. I brought it up, so that less narrow minded people would consider wider possibilities. It shows that some healing can be purely psychological. Maybe the nasty taste of the pills makes me want to get better sooner, maybe something completely different. Try thinking for a change.

    Just because method of hp does not require boiling, it does not mean that requirements of what is allowed to be sold as a medicine/food supplement does not require it to be sanitary. Try thinking for a change.

    I certainly wont read the links you suggested, unless you confirm that smart (i.e. not 'stupid' or ignorant) people have chosen hp when they needed real medicine. Is that what you claim?

    How many times do I need to debunk your nonsense?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #83 - March 18, 2011, 04:44 AM

    Dude you're just repeating yourself. The summary of the argument is this:

    1) Either you agree that homeopathy is quakery,

    2) Or you subconsciously give it some importance hence you use it.

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #84 - March 18, 2011, 04:48 AM

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. That maybe your summary. It does not mean that I believe in method of hp, making it as effective as medicine proven to be effective by scientific method, for the millionth time. Simply taking something in a nice wrapper, which tastes bitterly could have an effect. I am afraid I've reach the limit of my capacity to break down a statement into something quite quite simple to understand. So if you don't follow - I'll go and have sweet dreams now.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #85 - March 18, 2011, 04:57 AM

    taking something in a nice wrapper, which tastes bitterly could have an effect.

    Which means you don't really think homeopathy is nonsense.

    /thread
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #86 - March 18, 2011, 05:22 AM

    Please, just give it a rest guys. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #87 - March 18, 2011, 09:50 AM

    Here's an appropriate image for Don and Alex. Wink



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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #88 - March 18, 2011, 12:37 PM


    Sorry, I do not accept any analysis done by MD doctors and pharmacists. They have conflict of interest.

    Homeopathic do not promise to give instant cures for headache and migranes. Homeopathic provide one treatement for many symptoms at one time, but it takes a while for body's immune system to fight that.

    I can agree about Arnica doing placebo work.

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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #89 - March 18, 2011, 12:48 PM

    Muddy, doctors don't get paid when you buy medicines. They only give you a prescription and you go and buy it from the pharmacy. How do they have a conflict of interest?

    Also, they are giving specific reasons why homeopathy doesn't work, they aren't just saying 'we are doctors and what we tell you is the word of god, you have to accept it on blind faith'. Have any of their arguments been refuted by homeopathics?
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