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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #120 - March 18, 2011, 06:55 PM
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    Do you find it in any store which doesn't sell homeopathic?


    Yes, you do.  Its used in conventional medicine, so you will find it in every pharmacy as a matter of course.
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #121 - March 18, 2011, 06:59 PM
    Well, those stores usually sell many other homeopathic stuff as well. Anyways, these days, all the stores are becoming superstores.
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #122 - March 18, 2011, 07:02 PM
    Then why did you ask such a pointless question?  Calendula is a herbal remedy which is also used in conventional medicine.  It has nothing to do with homeopathy, end of.
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #123 - March 18, 2011, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: muddy on March 18, 2011, 06:51 PM
    Again, personal experience.

    If somebody assured you that they have a "personal experience" of god would you believe them?

    Quote from: muddy on March 18, 2011, 06:51 PM
    Also it is antiseptic.

    What exactly is antiseptic?
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #124 - March 18, 2011, 07:02 PM
    I am not exagerating muddy... I actually gave an example of "not so active homeopathy" when i used the Jupiter...

    here is a nice article in wiki especially regarding dilution:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilutions


    Here is one dilution used in one of the homeopathic remedies:

    Duck liver 200C in the entire observable Universe for those that do not want to read the article provided.

    Quote
    A popular homeopathic treatment for the flu is a 200C dilution of duck liver, marketed under the name Oscillococcinum. As there are only about 1080 atoms in the entire observable universe, a dilution of one molecule in the observable universe would be about 40C. Oscillococcinum would thus require 10320 more universes to simply have one molecule in the final substance.[18]

    Quote from: FreeSoul007 on January 14, 2011, 05:00 AM
    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #125 - March 18, 2011, 07:09 PM
    Muddy you seem to lack the ability to differentiate between HERBAL MEDICINE (which is totally LEGIT) and Homeopathy which is quackery...

    No-one here is disputing the fact that herbs and natural products have positive effects on humans... i gave you my own personal experience as an example for that... What all of us are disputing is that homeopathy works... It does not work more than placebos... To make it simple, what we are saying is that a molecule of duck liver diluted in 10 320 universes of water WILL NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT!
    Quote from: FreeSoul007 on January 14, 2011, 05:00 AM
    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #126 - March 18, 2011, 07:22 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on March 18, 2011, 07:02 PM
    If somebody assured you that they have a "personal experience" of god would you believe them?

    I did not force my opinion for others to follow.
    Quote from: Kenan on March 18, 2011, 07:02 PM
    What exactly is antiseptic?

    http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&q=define%3A+antiseptic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #127 - March 18, 2011, 07:25 PM
    Calendula is a homeopathic medicine. Although it has herbal ingredients, does not mean you can totally discredit homeopathic for it and continue to bash.. You guys are just driving me nuts now..
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #128 - March 18, 2011, 07:31 PM
    Calendula is not a homeopathic remedy, it is a herbal remedy taken from a flower.  It also has anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties which is why it is also used in conventional medicines for such conditions as acne and dermatitis.

    Homeopathy is water. 

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    You guys are just driving me nuts now..


    If you don't know the difference between flowers and water, you're nuts already.   wacko
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #129 - March 18, 2011, 07:42 PM
    Quote from: muddy on March 18, 2011, 05:51 PM
    Don't over-exeggerate dude. Anyways, I am only against homeopathy bashing that is happening in this thread which is totally uncalled for.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #130 - March 18, 2011, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 18, 2011, 07:31 PM
    Homeopathy is water. 
    If you don't know the difference between flowers and water, you're nuts already.   wacko

    It has water, but also has other things..
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #131 - March 18, 2011, 07:50 PM
    Quote from: muddy on March 18, 2011, 07:22 PM
    I did not force my opinion for others to follow.

    True. The fact that you didn't however makes no difference when it comes to the truth claim that 'homoeopathy works'.

    Quote from: muddy on March 18, 2011, 07:22 PM
    http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&q=define%3A+antiseptic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1

    I do know the meaning of the word "antiseptic".
    I wasn't sure if your claim is that Calendula (4%) in suspension or in tincture is antiseptic - which is true, but that is herbalism and not homoeopathy. Or is your claim that homoeopathic solution 'based' on Calendula is antiseptic.

    If it's the latter than you are wrong and to confirm this you could perform a simple experiment at home:

    Get three Petri dishes and put some agar solution in all three and close the first dish without adding anything to it.
    Swab half of the second dish with some bacteria (from your mouth for example) and put a few drops of 4% Calendula solution into the centre and close the dish.
    Swab half of the third dish with bacteria and put a few drops of homoeopathic solution of Calendula in the centre and close the dish.

    Leave them to stand for a few days in a warm place. If homoeopathy works you should see the same result in dishes #2 and #3 - the growth of bacteria in the centre of the dish will be inhibited and a clear region around the place where you put the drops will be formed. It will look something like this:



    What you will see instead - and I am willing to put a wager on it - is that you will see a clear region in dish #2 (4% Calendula) but that #1 (agar only) and #3 (homoeopathic one) are going to be exactly the same, like this:



    Ergo homoeopathy doesn't work. Try it yourself.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #132 - March 18, 2011, 07:58 PM
    I would not do this kind of experience unless I study in details what you are trying to acheive her and how internally it is working. Anyways, I wanted to drop this topic long time before but continous bashing is annoying me.
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #133 - March 18, 2011, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 18, 2011, 07:42 PM
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #134 - March 18, 2011, 08:52 PM
    It's Chris Crocker saying "Leave homeopathy alone" Cry

    On topic: homeopathy is bullshit, full 100%

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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #135 - March 18, 2011, 10:19 PM
    Homeopathy is based on troll logic... the more you dilute something, it becomes much stronger... so watch out if u take pain killers diluted in the proportion of 1 molecule of active ingredient for 10 000 universes....  That shit is really strong and can put you into a coma...
    Quote from: FreeSoul007 on January 14, 2011, 05:00 AM
    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #136 - March 18, 2011, 10:41 PM
    ^

    On top of that, think about other elements and contaminations.
    Urine, cold war nuclear fall out, Iron, Mercury, pesticides, expired medicines...Based on the logic of homeopathy, tap water is the most dangerous substance in existence.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #137 - March 18, 2011, 10:45 PM
    Quote from: Bardhi_i_zi on March 18, 2011, 10:19 PM
    so watch out if u take pain killers diluted in the proportion of 1 molecule of active ingredient for 10 000 universes....  That shit is really strong and can put you into a coma...

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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #138 - March 18, 2011, 11:11 PM
    Edited
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #139 - March 19, 2011, 01:07 AM
    Still planning to pick up another book you recommended before, Kurdish kuzu kebap.

    Appreciate the recommendation, as I certainly could benefit from occasional reading of books, no doubt about it. Then again, I don't dream of ever attaining the level of your eloquence, so why bother?

    Also do you have anything of substance to say concerning the thread or just stopped by to say you missed me?
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #140 - March 19, 2011, 01:42 AM
    Quote from: donatelo on March 18, 2011, 01:48 PM
    I've already told you that what you quoted from Wikipedia about 'knowing' that you're getting empty medicine will have a positive effect sounds nonsense. Show me any credible scientific studies or journals that endorse this view and I might be more likely to consider it.



    It is from credible studies and has been so at least since the times you wore diapers (I estimate about 12 years ago). Oh wait, you said I should get you those studies. Let me run to the library to do the research for you right now. I will run so fast I hope I don't stumble and hurt myself. brb
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #141 - March 19, 2011, 02:08 AM
    Edited.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #142 - March 19, 2011, 02:24 AM
    As a married man, you're biased to the whole wedding ceremony business and thusly speak nonsense upon nonsense, unless, of course, your claims have been verified. Have they?, or is it all wishful thinking, trying to convince yourself that you did the right thing and did not merely follow tradition like sheep or was pushed/tricked into it by someone who in your kurdish mind should be your slave due to her... oh never mind, I can't go there with you, grandpa.

    What is a symbol of marriage? It certainly can not be a ring or the wedding ceremony, for those symbols hold no power after a month or so.

    Has Mencken started any threads on the forum lately? If not, then stop hiding behind the man's shadow - it's ancient history to the new generation, so just shamelessly repeat it.
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #143 - March 19, 2011, 02:41 AM
    .
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #144 - March 19, 2011, 02:50 AM
    LOL but do you have anything of substance? Like my buddy muddy, I know from personal experience the power of the lord of the rings, but naturally you are right like Aristotle, no need to have a ring to know it's not much of a symbol. Why do you think that marriage has anything over the godless staying together of two lovers? The institution belongs in the graveyard of history, lying next to islams.
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #145 - March 19, 2011, 10:54 AM
    For those who are interested, I came across an interesting placebo study.

    80 patients with Irritable Bowel Syndrome were recruited and randomly split them into two groups: one who took a placebo pill twice a day, and another who didn’t take any treatments. Every patient had a detailed consultation with one of the team, who explained that placebo pills were “inert or inactive pills, like sugar pills, without any medication in it”.

    They told the patients that “placebo pills, something like sugar pills, have been shown in rigorous clinical testing to produce significant mind-body self-healing processes.” And they explained: that “the placebo effect is powerful; the body can automatically respond to taking placebo pills like Pavlov’s dogs who salivated when they heard a bell; a positive attitude helps but is not necessary; and taking the pills faithfully is critical.”

    Before the trial, the patients answered several questionnaires about the severity of their symptoms, whether they had recently improved or worsened, whether they experienced any relief from their symptoms, and their quality of life. After 21 days, they answered the same questions again. The author found that those who had been taking placebo pills felt better than those who didn’t take anything. They reported more relief and larger improvements in their symptoms, which had become less severe. Only quality of life was not significantly different between the two groups.

    This is an interesting study, but further work needs to be done, the sample size is too small and a replication study is required before anything be said for sure. This study is very intriguing nonetheless, the placebo effect worked even when the patients were told they were taking sugar pills.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #146 - March 19, 2011, 12:22 PM
    Mind over matter.
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #147 - March 19, 2011, 01:42 PM
    Quote from: GRB on March 19, 2011, 10:54 AM
    For those who are interested, I came across an  Every patient had a detailed consultation with one of the team, who explained that placebo pills were “inert or inactive pills, like sugar pills, without any medication in it”.

    They told the patients that “placebo pills, something like sugar pills, have been shown in rigorous clinical testing to produce significant mind-body self-healing processes.” And they explained: that “the placebo effect is powerful; the body can automatically respond to taking placebo pills like Pavlov’s dogs who salivated when they heard a bell; a positive attitude helps but is not necessary; and taking the pills faithfully is critical.”

    Interesting, but is that bowel syndrome something that can be cured by the immune system by itself without need for medicine? Can this kind of thing work on something serious e.g cancer?
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  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #148 - March 19, 2011, 02:47 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on March 19, 2011, 01:42 PM
    Interesting, but is that bowel syndrome something that can be cured by the immune system by itself without need for medicine? Can this kind of thing work on something serious e.g cancer?

    IBS stays around for long time, it varies with people. It can last a lifetime for some people. What's observed is that the patients who were taking the placebo felt better than patients who weren't taking anything.

    The placebo effect doesn't work for cancer, infections and such.
  • Re: Pascal's Wager and homeopathy
     Reply #149 - March 19, 2011, 02:59 PM
    Quote from: GRB on March 19, 2011, 02:47 PM
    IBS stays around for long time, it varies with people. It can last a lifetime for some people. What's observed is that the patients who were taking the placebo felt better than patients who weren't taking anything.

    The placebo effect doesn't work for cancer, infections and such.

    So, the patients were told that they're being given a super duper ultra powerful pill, and as a result they felt happier and more positive, but beyond the psychological happiness there was no physical healing?
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