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 Topic: Help me return to Islam

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #30 - March 23, 2011, 04:09 PM

    Tell her that you love her. Ask her to look into her heart and think about how well you have treated her, how good a husband you have been. Tell her that you want to continue being with her. Talk about your son. How you want to raise him with her, how he needs the love of both parents.

    Question her, is it not that you have allowed her to practice her religion freely and never allowed it to cross into your relationship. Tell her that you expect the same of her, and that if she truly loved you, she will accept you for who you are which includes your worldview. Add some pink frost too... like how Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance and so Muslims should view all humans with an equal eye and that if Allah exists, surely it knows that you are a good human.

    Tell her that you can follow Islam in other ways like patience, forbearance, peace, love and compassion for all, charity, modesty etc


    I tried this Maxwell, almost word for word (though I am not as eloquent and poetic as you, and I am also hampered with a Yorkshire accent). But she was uncompromising. I think it may be expressly forbidden in the Quran for a muslim to live with a non-believer and she kept hanging on to that point..

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #31 - March 23, 2011, 04:19 PM

    Consider this: Your wife is just as likely to stifle your son as much as she is right now stifling you. In some years, your son may well be on this very forum, asking for advice on how to deal with the intolerable demands of his mother, while wondering why his father mysteriously sits back and lets it happen. He may very well use the same line: “whenever I try and reason with her, she cries and makes me feel guilty”

    What advice would you give him?

     


    'Choose carefully who you marry/settle down with, because you have the rest of your life to look forward to. Son, go away and save yourself...enjoy every drop that life has to offer... I'll be okay.'

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #32 - March 23, 2011, 04:23 PM

    "But I love her and don't want to leave her. How do I reach her?"

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #33 - March 23, 2011, 04:26 PM

    I'm going to repeat the question I asked of you 6 months ago. How will you face your son if he turns around one day and asks why you stood by and allowed him to be indoctrinated into/subject to Islam when you knew full well how ridiculous it was? I, for one, would probably hate my father had he done that. :/
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #34 - March 23, 2011, 04:31 PM

    Ishina and Prince - good questions.

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #35 - March 23, 2011, 05:04 PM

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #36 - March 23, 2011, 05:14 PM

    I've always wondered whether someone can brainwash themselves back into Islam after leaving. I think it might take a lot of effort, hypnosis and possibly drugs.

    Thing is, even if it is an option, do you not have a right to be happy too?

  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #37 - March 23, 2011, 05:43 PM

    Mr Bison, it’s so good to hear from you again. Now, where do I start? Firstly, when I was last here, I think I did a little too much sucking up to you and this was starting to make all your other lovers on here a little jealous. Therefore, I am going to be much more distant this time round and try to stop following you around the forum, from thread to thread, like the spotty little chit that I am... Having said that, every time I read one of your posts, I can honestly say I end up with wet pants – either through raucous laughter, or through grave sexual excitement, stirred by the awe that I feel for your intelligence, incredible humour and almost God-like presence… but, like I said before, I need to stop this childish flirting and remain strong for the remainder of my stay here…

    Onto the serious business of your advice, I think I will file it in the section ‘very useful – please refer back to this’. I have tried pushing for counselling, but to no avail. And I wasn’t sure if counselling for just me would be of any help – but perhaps it would help me deal with the choices that I am about to make, so I will bear this in mind. You’re also right in what you say about King Tut’s advice – all things considered, are my values really worth sacrificing my marriage and any chance I have of being there with my child over the coming years?

    I think asking for advice on this forum was a good idea, in total. Apart from the expected bashing one receives when they are not man enough to stand up to their demonist wife, I think I have received some great advice and some really good reminders of the things I used to stand for when I was younger (but have unfortunately let slip, or lost sight of recently). Only the people on this forum can truly emphasise with what I may

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #38 - March 23, 2011, 05:45 PM

    I've always wondered whether someone can brainwash themselves back into Islam after leaving. I think it might take a lot of effort, hypnosis and possibly drugs.

    Thing is, even if it is an option, do you not have a right to be happy too?

    Hi Eliphaz

    I can be happy in other ways. My religion (or lack of it) no longer defines me... but unfortunately, my wife's religion has started to define her more and more.



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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #39 - March 23, 2011, 05:47 PM

    Sorry Eliphaz, I managed somehow to write inside your quote..

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #40 - March 23, 2011, 05:59 PM

    What did you make of The Strokes’ album, btw?


    Not had a chance to buy it yet. I could download it from iTunes but I want the hard CD. Have you heard it yet. I love the single from it - undercover of darkness:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwxcQvB_vcQ
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #41 - March 23, 2011, 06:05 PM

    I think this song is for you:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRUVa2OJsj4&feature=related

    play it to your wife! hit her up with some subliminal.
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #42 - March 23, 2011, 06:07 PM

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #43 - March 23, 2011, 06:10 PM

    MAB I think I should also be getting tips from you on how to tame the tigress in my life too.  Cheesy
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #44 - March 23, 2011, 06:16 PM

    I am going to be frank.  From what little I have seen of your posts I think it is pretty obvious that you are just like my oldest brother, he goes along with anything for a quiet life.  Your wife knows this and she is a manipulator.  She manipulates you into doing what will make her happy.

    You may love her, but she loves herself and Allah.  Sometimes we just love the wrong person, the right person accepts us for what we are and makes us happy, they don't love you on condition that you conform to their desires and make you feel guilt by pretending to have depression for a week (that's called "having a strop".)

    Perhaps you should try giving her the first 2 steps of Quran 4:34.

    That's my impression at least.  The reality might be very different, but I am sure you will know if I am right or not.  


    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #45 - March 23, 2011, 06:21 PM

    Oh so now, the best advise is to advocate him into wife beating.
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #46 - March 23, 2011, 06:21 PM

    First 2 steps aren't beating..

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #47 - March 23, 2011, 06:22 PM

    Oh so now, the best advise is to advocate him into wife beating.


    Someone needs to check facts before making statements ;-)

    Besides, it's not like I would have been advocating hitting her in the face, or hitting her so hard that it left a mark Smiley

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #48 - March 23, 2011, 06:24 PM

    First 2 steps aren't beating..


    There are no steps, the steps are added in parenthesis in the Quran, it is a commentary not an actual command maybe the Rationalizer was not aware of that. 
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #49 - March 23, 2011, 06:24 PM

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #50 - March 23, 2011, 06:26 PM

    Someone needs to check facts before making statements ;-)

    Besides, it's not like I would have been advocating hitting her in the face, or hitting her so hard that it left a mark Smiley


    I know more then likely it was a joke, however sometimes you have to be careful when someone is looking for advise and you're trying to advise them, sometimes in a moment of being emotionally charged they might not pick up on the joke, and try to actually apply it.
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #51 - March 23, 2011, 06:29 PM

    There are no steps, the steps are added in parenthesis in the Quran, it is a commentary not an actual command maybe the Rationalizer was not aware of that.  


    In which case my statement would mean the first two items Smiley

    I know more then likely it was a joke, however sometimes you have to be careful when someone is looking for advise and you're trying to advise them, sometimes in a moment of being emotionally charged they might not pick up on the joke, and try to actually apply it.


    It wasn't a joke, I was being serious.  I suggested he tried the first two (steps/stages/items) of 4:34 - try essentially living as though you are separate.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #52 - March 23, 2011, 06:33 PM

    In which case my statement would mean the first two items Smiley

    It wasn't a joke, I was being serious.  I suggested he tried the first two (steps/stages/items) of 4:34 - try essentially living as though you are separate.


    OK I see. However, he is a wanker so what should he do now?
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #53 - March 23, 2011, 06:43 PM

    I think the reality here is clear.

    He's almost completely favoring anything that supports the continued relationship, so I think the attention should be turned to how long he can keep it going if he was to continue it.

    I'm not sure about the guy in question, but personally my position is that to every possible level that still allows for intellectual honesty, I know Islam is false, that allah doesn't exist , that Muhammad was a liar and that I couldn't make myself believe in Islam even if it was my biggest wish in my entire life...

    Now, going by that stance (whether it applies to him or not is the question)
    It would be utterly impossible for me to go through life, praying to a rug knowing that I was wasting my time, nodding along with others whilst they talk about the truth of Islam and forever go to a mosque and pretend....I could do it for a while out of love, perhaps..but this is where I would snap...

    When it got to the moment when I had no choice but to bring my child up to believe that Islam is the truth without question and obligate myself to create an environment where my position or even a question that leads to my position, has to be prevented/removed so that my child believes something that I know is false.

    I couldn't do it, nor would I personally condone it and there is no way I could personally keep up the sharade.

    Perhaps he should wonder as to whether the relationship could even continue if he did stay with her.
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #54 - March 23, 2011, 06:52 PM

    I think musivore has had a lot of good replies to help him gauge the different opinions.  It's a difficult one, so firstly I will say: far away hug

    I've always wondered whether someone can brainwash themselves back into Islam after leaving.

    +1  Me too.
    People don't *choose* to believe something.  They are either convinced by the information they get, or not.  If you are not convinced that Islam is the True Religion you have to pretend you are.  Simples. Smiley
    Also, when we say 'Islam', what do we mean?  which interpretation?  there are countless interpretations from Debunker's interpretation to Anjem Choudary's.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #55 - March 23, 2011, 06:55 PM

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #56 - March 23, 2011, 07:07 PM

    ^  You might not consider him to be a Muslim, but to him he definitely is.
    I guess musivore can call himself a Muslim but follow secular humanism.  Just say Muhammad was a man of his time, and the Qur'an is irrelevant in today's age, except to give us the attributes of God.  Who cares (so long as it's not harming anyone)?  Every Muslim follows their own interpretation of Islam anyway.
    You have the right to call Debunker a non-Muslim, but Debunker also has the right to call himself a Muslim, of course. Smiley

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #57 - March 23, 2011, 07:10 PM

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  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #58 - March 23, 2011, 07:31 PM

    I don't really see the point of this.  The guy is spineless enough to let his wife cut the end of his baby son's penis off then it is pretty obvious he is going to go back to the mosque.

    There is no magic medicine that will make him docile enough to believe this shit, so he juts needs to get on with it.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Help me return to Islam
     Reply #59 - March 23, 2011, 07:50 PM

    My older brother had a similar dilemma with his wife when he first got married. She gradually became more demanding after observing him  that he should behave more like a Muslim. mainly pray 5 times a day "those who don't are not muslim as i'm sure you know" and i cant say him doing so added to the relationship positively . but it avoided the drama of it  and in my eyes prevented him from the opportunity to live honestly  and eventually develop his own contribution to how the household would carry religion as the children came along .i see it as beneficial for his wife only , she gained a sense of peace in that aspect only that she is living the halal way. and didn't seem to care why he wasn't praying. I think she automatically assumed since he did not pray , he was lacking in conscience .almost as if going through the motion will rebuild faith .She also had an obsession about his drinking habits and if they still existed.


    I don't know what to tell you , except i observed this with a positive romantic approach in the beginning (not knowing about the drama )and have ended up thinking it's a bad idea that they got married and had children. Simply because her  recent subtly imposed religious views have not been addressed thereby roaming freely to  adjust the house dynamic and effect my personal sense of comfort.I would guess that last part is the least to be expected as a reaction from your son if in fact your wife is the kind of muslim who will grow to desire Islam being the main theme and reference to her life. I don't think thats the case now seeing as she's been living with you all this time and it's been a private matter between the two of you . You're a better judge of her personality and can predict more accurately how she will grow in/out of Islam.

    I don't blame my brothers wife or your wife, they simply don't know better. and i don't have any suggestions to influence that. It goes deep.
    UNLESS  grin12 you move to Czech Republic. I hear 60 % don't affiliate with religion. That is the only way to get someone out of the religious mentality, is to expose them to life without it in a manner they can relate to .


    Maybe make some non Muslim friends both of you can have? people she would respect. and in the meantime tell her you will re-consider Islam?




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