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  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #30 - March 25, 2011, 01:51 PM
    Welcome Nedkalyc Smiley

    Yes the thought that salvation appears to depend largely on an accident of birth troubled me too.

    I think I might make a video asking the question: "Why Are You a Muslim?"

    Most Muslims will of course give reasons like: It is the most logical, Prophet Muhammad wonderful example, Qur'an is a miracle, agrees with science blah blah blah...

    But the real reason for the vast majority is simply that they were born to a Muslim family. Though they won't admit it.
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #31 - March 25, 2011, 01:51 PM
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    This would not stop a government from spying on your communications.  It would be quite easy for a government to packet sniff your data and break the encryption.

     

    ok, I understand the packet sniffing part.... but they wouldn't do it unless they're really desperate, right? they definitely wouldn't try to break the encryption unless they're really really really deperate to know what i'm doing, right?

    I mean they woudn't go out of their way to really monitor my online activities, unless they thought i was really dangerous, right?
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #32 - March 25, 2011, 01:56 PM
    Quote from: debunker on March 25, 2011, 01:51 PM
    ok, I understand the packet sniffing part.... but they wouldn't do it unless they're really desperate, right? they definitely wouldn't try to break the encryption unless they're really really really deperate to know what i'm doing, right?

    I mean they woudn't go out of their way to really monitor my online activities, unless they thought i was really dangerous, right?


    It depends on the cost to their resources.  I don't know what those are so I cannot really say.

    I suspect that UK phone calls are monitored by computers for keywords / voices etc simply because it is simple to implement and inexpensive to operate.  I also suspect that UK Internet network traffic is monitored too.

    Breaking encryption is a lot more CPU intensive than running voice recognition on audio, so unless there is an excess of resources available I expect they will be only be spent monitoring "interesting" subjects.

    In short, they aren't going to break this encryption in order to arrest you for looking at animal porn Smiley

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #33 - March 25, 2011, 02:01 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 25, 2011, 01:51 PM
    Welcome Nedkalyc Smiley

    Yes the thought that salvation appears to depend largely on an accident of birth troubled me too.

    I think I might make a video asking the question: "Why Are You a Muslim?"

    Most Muslims will of course give reasons like: It is the most logical, Prophet Muhammad wonderful example, Qur'an is a miracle, agrees with science blah blah blah...

    But the real reason for the vast majority is simply that they were born to a Muslim family. Though they won't admit it.


    don't forget to include this question: "why are you a Muslim, as opposed to being a Deist".

    Don't just contrast Islam with other religions, you have to also pose the question why would anyone believe in any scripture at all. To believe that God exists is one thing, but the assumption of a communicative God (via scripture) is (seemingly) arbitrary.

    I know you also think the belief in the existence of a Creator God is also arbitrary, but that's very difficult to convince theists with... just start with the question: Why would God communicate with us? He doesn't need us, or does He? we are capable of morality all by ourselves, aren't we? stuff like that.... make the case for the arbitrariness of a communicative God.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #34 - March 25, 2011, 02:06 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on March 25, 2011, 01:56 PM
    In short, they aren't going to break this encryption in order to arrest you for looking at animal porn Smiley


     Cheesy

    yeah, that's what i thought. my brother told me if i don't actually incite or encourage political dissent, they don't give a damn. Even airing strong political views is OK, just don't call for/organize a movement against the government.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #35 - March 25, 2011, 02:11 PM
    Welcome to the forum, Nedkalyc.  victory


    Quote from: debunker on March 25, 2011, 10:40 AM
    i'm not a quran only muslim, i just don't recognize the authority of Prophet Bukhari and his pals... i even go so far as to claim that those who (practically) view the works of Bukhari et al. as binding, are heretics.

    living in a country that doesn't share my views on Islam is no different than living in a world where all of its Muslim inhabitants don't share my views on Islam. No one should share my views on Isalm, i just hope that everyone would have their own views instead of following the Mullahs like cattle.

    You know, debunker, I've been trying to argue with one or two Salafis on IsLame's facebook group (supporting Usama Hasan for believing in evolution) and I wish there was someone like you there to convince the takfiri Salafis that Muslims should be free to interpret the Qur'an as they wish.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #36 - March 25, 2011, 02:39 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on March 25, 2011, 01:36 PM
    This would not stop a government from spying on your communications.  It would be quite easy for a government to packet sniff your data and break the encryption.  The only communications safe from governments are those of other governments.......or are they (evil chuckle)

    How would they break the encryption? Its 128 bit encryption which is quite strong it seems, it wouldn't be 'quite easy' to break it unless I'm mistaken?
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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    Previously donatelo
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  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #37 - March 25, 2011, 02:41 PM
    Quote from: L2PK on March 25, 2011, 02:39 PM
    How would they break the encryption? Its 128 bit encryption which is quite strong it seems, it wouldn't be 'quite easy' to break it unless I'm mistaken?


    You think governments can't break 128 bit encryption?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #38 - March 25, 2011, 02:42 PM
    I'm sure its possible, but how easy is it to do so?
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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    Previously donatelo
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    Watch Ishina lie and then try to squirm her way out of it like a worm
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #39 - March 25, 2011, 02:51 PM
    Quote from: L2PK on March 25, 2011, 02:42 PM
    I'm sure its possible, but how easy is it to do so?


    Without knowing what techniques + equipment the respective government has I have no idea, which is why I am unable to comment as to how likely it is that they do it on a routine basis.

    I used to work for a guy who was a former employee of some US government agency, bugging buildings etc (I think it was the NSA.)  He told me that even if I found a fool-proof way of encrypting my communications it is still possible to sit outside my house in a van with some device which listens to the electromagnetic patterns of my computer and recreate the image on my monitor.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #40 - March 25, 2011, 02:59 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on March 25, 2011, 02:11 PM
    You know, debunker, I've been trying to argue with one or two Salafis on IsLame's facebook group (supporting Usama Hasan for believing in evolution) and I wish there was someone like you there to convince the takfiri Salafis that Muslims should be free to interpret the Qur'an as they wish.


    and I was begining to wonder where the hell Islame is! He's busy with that page! I'm a facebook friend with Isalme, btw, but I wouldn't join that page because:

    1- Takfiri Salafis don't give a fuck what i think.
    2- it's best if one just limited his internet discussions to one place.

    why don't you invite them here? the Takfiris, i mean.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #41 - March 25, 2011, 03:03 PM
    Well, from what I know, the encryption can only be decrypted using a 'key'  which is stored on the Securitykiss server and your computer. Any 3rd party would have to use brute force in order to find out the key with which they can decrypt the encrypted communications.

    Given that SecurityKiss are likely to have a very long and strong key (using a combination of letters, numbers, special characters, etc), it would take a very long time to decrypt it, we're talking weeks - months. And its quite possible that they change their keys every few weeks, so by the time the old key is about to be cracked, the process would have to be started all over again because they changed their key.

    Also, they're using the blowfish algorithm for encrypting, which is apparently unbroken so far (i.e it cannot be cracked without the key).

    Quote from: TheRationalizer on March 25, 2011, 02:51 PM
    I used to work for a guy who was a former employee of some US government agency, bugging buildings etc (I think it was the NSA.)  He told me that even if I found a fool-proof way of encrypting my communications it is still possible to sit outside my house in a van with some device which listens to the electromagnetic patterns of my computer and recreate the image on my monitor.

    I'm kind of skeptical about this. Computers don't have anything to do with electromagnetics..? They use plain old DC current as far as I know..
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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    Previously donatelo
    --
    Watch Ishina lie and then try to squirm her way out of it like a worm
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #42 - March 25, 2011, 03:12 PM
    Quote from: L2PK on March 25, 2011, 03:03 PM
    Well, from what I know, the encryption can only be decrypted using a 'key'


    If you aren't doing anything that would interest your government then you have nothing to worry about, if you are then I suspect you might.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #43 - March 25, 2011, 03:14 PM
    I agree, they would probably only monitor you if they suspect you of something from elsewhere, but the benefit of encryption is that if you use blasphemous keywords in your postings etc, this won't automatically alert them about you.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
    --
    Previously donatelo
    --
    Watch Ishina lie and then try to squirm her way out of it like a worm
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #44 - March 25, 2011, 03:27 PM
    Quote from: L2PK on March 25, 2011, 03:14 PM
    I agree, they would probably only monitor you if they suspect you of something from elsewhere, but the benefit of encryption is that if you use blasphemous keywords in your postings etc, this won't automatically alert them about you.


    If stating it as your own opinion is the only way to get you to realise what I have been saying all along, that's fine Smiley
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #45 - March 25, 2011, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: debunker on March 25, 2011, 02:59 PM
    why don't you invite them here? the Takfiris, i mean.

    I have posted an invitation on the opposing facebook page (where the Salafis hang out).  Dunno if anyone will respond to the invite.  In fact, they'll probably delete the post.
    Actually, the place to find all these Salafis is on http://forums.islamicawakening.com/
    Both facebook groups are not really that busy.

    Anyway, I gotta go (holiday).  See you in a week's time.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #46 - March 25, 2011, 03:50 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on March 25, 2011, 03:27 PM
    If stating it as your own opinion is the only way to get you to realise what I have been saying all along, that's fine Smiley

    I think you had said that the encryption could be 'easily' broken, and that's what we were discussing. In any case, I wasn't trying to start an argument with you. I like you & am a fan of your videos  Afro
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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    Previously donatelo
    --
    Watch Ishina lie and then try to squirm her way out of it like a worm
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #47 - March 25, 2011, 03:55 PM
    Quote from: L2PK on March 25, 2011, 03:50 PM
    I think you had said that the encryption could be 'easily' broken, and that's what we were discussing. In any case, I wasn't trying to start an argument with you. I like you & am a fan of your videos  Afro


    Yes, I expect that government agencies can easily break 128 bit encryption.  Not easily enough to monitor all encrypted communications, just those of interest.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #48 - March 25, 2011, 04:06 PM
    أهلا وسهلا

    dance

    About your precautions, I suggest you get a prepaid mobile access card (or the closest analogue). Run a linux live-cd, and only connect to the internet through Tor or anonymous vpn such as ipredator (which is down at the moment for some reason) or similar. It's really easy to do, and ensure you stay out of trouble (unless the "bad people" control your ISP and manage to triangulate your location in real-time).

    Allahu assghar!
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #49 - March 25, 2011, 11:34 PM
    Thanks for the welcome all, though seems we got some side discussions going on  Huh? will reply to some.

    Most my quran reading happened during school time (i.e. before age 19) so can't say I was in a state to be able to think as well as I do now, I mostly thought I was reading something beautiful though after they taught us tajweed, anyway the only exception that made me raise an eyebrow while reading in school was 67:19, when I first read that I thought "but we just learned in science class birds fly from their hollow bone structure and their feathers", but somehow I shook it off. Starting age 19 I was too busy to really read the quran. I do remember feeling bored while doing the usual "read a chapter per day during ramadan" which I started to do less and less as the years passed...

    About my precautions I already am behind a vpn of sorts, but why prepaid mobile? Not planning to do suspicious stuff over the phone yet... And live cds I think I know what you're getting at, but I'm not worried my PC gets inspected yet, I have to raise suspicion first you know Tongue, besides if I really wanted to hide stuff I'll just learn to use TrueCrypt.
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #50 - March 26, 2011, 04:30 AM
    Welcome to CEMB:)
    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #51 - March 26, 2011, 04:57 AM
    Feathers or no feathers, the birds can not fly unless it's the will of Allah - just look what he did to ostriches Smiley
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Hi, Saudi ex-muslim
     Reply #52 - March 26, 2011, 07:34 PM
     Cheesy
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
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