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 Topic: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale

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  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #390 - March 29, 2011, 06:37 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on March 29, 2011, 06:29 PM
    'Cos otherwise the quran is fucked up.

    Once she acknowledges that the Qur'an is fucked up – I don’t see how she made the logical leap from "smack the uppity bitch" to "tap her lightly after all else fails, cause women are like like cats with catnip when you tap them lightly, and that's bound to work, duh"
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #391 - March 29, 2011, 06:38 PM
    oh, and I DO abhore all the right wing extremists here in the states,
    but when I was an American muslimah, I experienced alot of prejudice
    from other muslims, because..... I WAS AMERICAN! of all things lol.

    The segragation was very disheartening, and mistrust was in many
    of their eyes.  Cry  Also, there is very little integration within societies here
    because unless forced to, (i.e. work) muslims have little to nothing to do
    with anyone else but themselves in their communities. THEY segragate THEMSELVES.
    It also is disheartening when the very country that embraced them to come as legal
    aliens, even citizens, burn and spit on the American flag.  Call me a nationalist, but
    THAT does piss me off.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #392 - March 29, 2011, 06:47 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 29, 2011, 06:37 PM
    Once she acknowledges that the Qur'an is fucked up – I don’t see how she made the logical leap from "smack the uppity bitch" to "tap her lightly after all else fails, cause women are like like cats with catnip when you tap them lightly, and that's bound to work, duh"


    Logic is over-rated. As Einstein said, if the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #393 - March 29, 2011, 06:52 PM
    Or in this case, if the words don't fit with the theory, add more words until it does.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #394 - March 29, 2011, 07:02 PM
    bluecake seems like a very nice person who's reasonably intelligent, and yet spouts nonsense about religion-- in other words, your average religious person.
    fuck you
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #395 - March 29, 2011, 07:04 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 29, 2011, 06:37 PM
    Once she acknowledges that the Qur'an is fucked up – I don’t see how she made the logical leap from "smack the uppity bitch" to "tap her lightly after all else fails, cause women are like like cats with catnip when you tap them lightly, and that's bound to work, duh"

    what i don't get is that non of those steps are symbolic until the very end.  Admonishing, refusing to sleep in the same bed, these are practical non symbolic actions to correct the woman.  Thenthe last step that would seem violent turns into a symbolic act.  why? Either way the symbolism itself is worrying.  On the abstract level it is " showing displeasure of a woman's actions", but on the physical level it is symbolize hitting someone.  It's like raising my pimp hand to a woman and saying, " baby all I am doing is symbolizing my displeasure,no harm intended."
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #396 - March 29, 2011, 07:10 PM

    So lets make this clear! in Islam men are there to regulate the life of the women...so ofcourse this being the case women are obviously not free. The women can't do nothing without a male consent. And if a man does something wrong, then, who cares?

    So the Perfect God that Islam claims also, ask his men peers to tell the women what to do and take advantage of them in many ways. And he comands to beat the wifes as a last resort for her lack of obedience or what ever. If there is a God, in which case he should be above everything, then I don't think, that first, he would be a shauvinist male (cos he created women same as he created men), second he would be open minded enough, as you know!?, he is "God", to make equal rights, he would considerate our opinions and feelings, and women feelings and her utlimate protection as she is weaker in streght than a man, opinions and our commodity and at last he wouldn't even "jocke" about beating a wife.

    So well, I don't know exactly what you've got to say about this but I wouldnt like you to reply back, if you do, with a whole article, with a full history and quotations from traditions from the time of the flintstone, and look for all the excuses in the world to support tha fakeness
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #397 - March 29, 2011, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on March 29, 2011, 07:04 PM
    It's like raising my pimp hand to a woman and saying, " baby all I am doing is symbolizing my displeasure,no harm intended."


    Sorry, but this must be done:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7Vwg8NBGc
    fuck you
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #398 - March 29, 2011, 07:15 PM
    Well I was going to say a list on how to put out a fire doesn't go get a hose,spray water, and if that doesn't work tap it with a stick to show your displeasure to put it out, but the pimp hand seemed apt.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #399 - March 29, 2011, 07:20 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on March 29, 2011, 07:02 PM
    bluecake seems like a very nice person who's reasonably intelligent, and yet spouts nonsense about religion-- in other words, your average religious person.

    pretty much.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #400 - March 29, 2011, 07:26 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWEWN8pGOL0&feature=related
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #401 - March 29, 2011, 09:12 PM
    Quote from: bluecake on March 29, 2011, 06:20 PM
    A lot of what you said appeared to me as a comical representation of islam rather than a representation of islam as a comical teaching.


    Well I'm glad you found something amusing in it, at least Smiley
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #402 - March 29, 2011, 09:27 PM
    Quote from: bluecake on March 29, 2011, 06:20 PM
    A lot of what you said appeared to me as a comical representation of islam rather than a representation of islam as a comical teaching.



    The comedy was all on your side Imran  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #403 - March 29, 2011, 09:29 PM
    On the note that I believe we have reached an end to this discussion
    I advise people who have an interest in theology or religion to watch
    Bibles Buried secrets: The Real Garden of Eden presented by who I believe
    is an extremist feminist (after watching the first two episodes).

    @Hassan - if we have reached an end - it was very nice debating with you.

    Assalamoalliakum - may the peace and blessings of Allah be with you all.  Smiley
    Don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    "That is surely true, it is absolutely paradoxical; we cannot understand it, and we don't know what it means, but we have proved it, and therefore we know it must be the truth."
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #404 - March 29, 2011, 09:32 PM
    Quote
    Bibles Buried secrets: The Real Garden of Eden presented by who I believe
    is an extremist feminist

     

     Grin

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #405 - March 29, 2011, 09:35 PM
    Quote from: bluecake on March 29, 2011, 09:29 PM
    @Hassan - if we have reached an end - it was very nice debating with you.


    You too bluecake - I'm here if you want to chat/discuss etc again - hope to see you around. Smiley
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #406 - March 29, 2011, 09:35 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 29, 2011, 09:27 PM
    The comedy was all on your side Imran  Afro




    I love how you keep calling him Imran  Cheesy Cheesy

    Can't get enough of his name? Tongue
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #407 - March 29, 2011, 09:35 PM
    Cluelessness, misogyny, paranoia and ignorance parading itself as insight, the whole package on display by the comical Imran Bluecakes  Afro

    Quote
    Dr Francesca Stavrakopoulou

    Francesca studied Theology at the University of Oxford, where she also completed her doctorate. She spent a further three years teaching and researching in Oxford, first as a Junior Research Fellow at Worcester College and then as the Career Development Fellow in the Faculty of Theology, before joining Exeter's Department of Theology and Religion in 2005.

    Her research is primarily focused on ancient Israelite and Judahite religions, and portrayals of the religious past in the Hebrew Bible. Her doctoral thesis explored the misrepresentation of the past in the Hebrew Bible and was published as King Manasseh and Child Sacrifice: Biblical Distortions of Historical Realities (de Gruyter, 2004). Her most recent book, Land of Our Fathers: The Roles of Ancestor Veneration in Biblical Land Claims (T&T Clark, 2010), furthers her somewhat morbid interests by examining the relationship between the veneration of the dead and territorial claims in the Hebrew Bible. Thanks to a research grant from the AHRC (Arts and Humanities Research Council), she is now writing a book about the corpse and its social and religious impacts upon the living.

    http://humanities.exeter.ac.uk/theology/staff/stavrakopoulou/

     

      

    The duncehood of Islam and general religious belief ascribes rational study of religious texts as being motivated by 'EXTREMIST feminism' in this instance (those damn women extremists Grin ) so devoid is it of understanding, rationality, so deeply embedded with this prime steak of idiocy. That is the abyss, no, the GALAXY that has to be traversed between bluecakes as a sample, and the sane world.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #408 - March 29, 2011, 09:39 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on March 29, 2011, 09:35 PM
    Can't get enough of his name? Tongue


    It just personalises things  Afro

    He was having a pm exchange with that 15 year old nutcase the other day to plot some tag-team Islam wrestling on us and he leaked it out  Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #409 - March 29, 2011, 09:39 PM
    Quote from: bluecake on March 29, 2011, 09:29 PM
    @Hassan - if we have reached an end - it was very nice debating with you.

    You ought to start a debate thread in the one-on-one section, you and Hassan. Others can only watch from the sidelines and are forbidden to post. Hassan is part of the heart and soul of this forum and has much more patience than the other reprobates. He raises the collective IQ back up to triple digits after the rest of us brought it right down. Me, I just wanna pull your pig tails and steal your lunch money for being silly.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #410 - March 29, 2011, 09:54 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 29, 2011, 09:39 PM
    It just personalises things  Afro

    He was having a pm exchange with that 15 year old nutcase the other day to plot some tag-team Islam wrestling on us and he leaked it out  Grin


    I dont normally respond to you because of your annoyingness but tag-team? I was pm ing him because I was arguing agaisnt half the crap he was spewing out.
    Don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    "That is surely true, it is absolutely paradoxical; we cannot understand it, and we don't know what it means, but we have proved it, and therefore we know it must be the truth."
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #411 - March 29, 2011, 09:57 PM

    Yeah I know, he was embarassing you. And I know calling you out is annoying to you, people don't like having the folly of their words described.

    OK, all the winding up aside, why do you describe someone like Dr Francesca Stavrakopoulou as an 'extremist feminist'. By what convolution in your reasoning and worldview and mind-space does the world appear to you like that?


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #412 - March 29, 2011, 10:10 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 29, 2011, 09:39 PM
    It just personalises things  Afro

    He was having a pm exchange with that 15 year old nutcase the other day to plot some tag-team Islam wrestling on us and he leaked it out  Grin


    Yes I saw that as well Grin Got in the wrong hands lol 
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #413 - March 30, 2011, 01:00 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEcBIeJmLqk


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #414 - March 30, 2011, 01:16 AM
    Still seeing this thread is affecting my mental health. Is there a way for me to make it invisible? It's going to be loose - loose situation if I see it pop up one more time. I will find blue cakes. And his family.

    Ed. I mean lose
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #415 - March 31, 2011, 03:18 AM
    Quote from: billy on March 29, 2011, 09:39 PM
    It just personalises things  Afro

    He was having a pm exchange with that 15 year old nutcase the other day to plot some tag-team Islam wrestling on us and he leaked it out  Grin

    it wasnt tag team,i think this brother was a bit mistaken,he was telling me that men have more wives only because of war and other things,and i showed him this hadith to show him  that actually allah also care about other things like if man is satisfied and also so wife isnt push to have sex too much than she can handle(because its divide between all 4 wives).this te message i sent:


    brother those reasons are true,but surely the fact that men have a higher sex drive is also taken into consideration there as long as a man can provide for them?for example this is a hadith about the holy prophet pbuh:
    Narrated Qatada:
    Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)."

    this from Sahih Bukhari- Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #416 - March 31, 2011, 03:22 AM
    Quote from: bluecake on March 29, 2011, 09:54 PM
    I dont normally respond to you because of your annoyingness but tag-team? I was pm ing him because I was arguing agaisnt half the crap he was spewing out.

    you are calling the teachings of holy prophet pbuh crap?you are not really muslim are you.i have hadith to proof everything i say,and you have only bullshit written by 'modern' mulsims, and you are calling the real islam crap?may be you should call yourself 'ex muslim' because if person doesnt believe and agree with all teaching of islam,or try to hide some things from it,or try to change its meaning,he is not a muslim in fact may be more like a munafiq (hypocrit).real muslims isnt 'emnbarased' by islam
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #417 - March 31, 2011, 03:25 AM
    Quote from: alsaeedm on March 31, 2011, 03:22 AM
    you are calling the teachings of holy prophet pbuh crap?

    Cheesy
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #418 - March 31, 2011, 03:27 AM
    whats funny now  Huh?
  • Re: Why women are converting to islam at an unprecedented scale
     Reply #419 - March 31, 2011, 03:28 AM
    alsadeem, my girlfriend has a higher sex drive than me. You know, my peak was 10 years ago, hers is now, etc etc. I'm taking vitamins and all, but sometimes I just feel like spending time on the forum instead. If we revert to al-Islam, I wonder if a fatwa or something could be issued regarding the special circumstances so that she could have two husbands? This seems to be against the Qur'aan, but you said that sex drive was considered by Allah in making the rules. So I'm just confused. What should we do?
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
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