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Reply #30 - March 27, 2011, 11:04 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 10:55 PM
As muslims, we must love our creator Allah more than anyone or anything.

Yeah, yeah we know. And that is why so many Muslims are hateful, braindead bigots without any compassion, full of violence and loathing. Even a child raping murderer is not as big a sinner as one who commits shirk and doesn't show the requisite amount of 'respect' for Allah.

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Reply #31 - March 27, 2011, 11:04 PM

Quote from: deusvult on March 27, 2011, 11:02 PM
Yes, a relationship is built on mutual love and trust, when one party says that you must love me or else I will kill you, and not just kill you but bring you back to life to kill you over and over again forever I think you can see we have moved beyond a person who understands what a loving relationship is.

its a funny question to ask in this sense when Allah has created us - yet we are all so ungrateful.

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Reply #32 - March 27, 2011, 11:06 PM

As none of you believe in a god its difficult to describe but Hamza is most certainly not cruel like you lot think he is.

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Reply #33 - March 27, 2011, 11:08 PM

Well, Hamza looks like a friendly guy, but for sure ALLAH SWT is cruel as cruel as it ever can get..

I shouldn't be here. Really. Shaytan SWT deluded ALL of us. Amen.
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Reply #34 - March 27, 2011, 11:10 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:06 PM
As none of you believe in a god its difficult to describe but Hamza is most certainly not cruel like you lot think he is.

Nobody is saying he is cruel. He is a poor, deluded sap who is suffering under the vicious pathology of Islam. It is 'Allah' who is cruel, sadistic, hateful, and loathing, and all his enablers who peddle this horseshit.

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Reply #35 - March 27, 2011, 11:10 PM

Quote from: deusvult on March 27, 2011, 11:04 PM
Why would Allah make it easy on him, when Allah will be the one torturing his family forever?

In Islam we believe that all people are equal with regards to their ethnicity/gender..etc. apart from their piety, good actions and love for god. At the end of the day Allah is the one who we should truly love - Hamza recognises this and hopefully god will make peace at his heart.

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Reply #36 - March 27, 2011, 11:11 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:06 PM
As none of you believe in a god its difficult to describe but Hamza is most certainly not cruel like you lot think he is.

Nobody here thinks that he is cruel. What a lot of people here think is that Allah is the ultimate cruel psychotic bastard. At least according to Islam. Hamza is simply deluded and is pointlessly tormenting himself over hot air.
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Reply #37 - March 27, 2011, 11:12 PM

If god didnt exist then all of your comments are valid and justified by default.

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Reply #38 - March 27, 2011, 11:13 PM

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In Islam we believe that all people are equal with regards to their ethnicity/gender..etc. apart from their piety, good actions and love for god.

You're a liar. Islam doesn't teach equality. And when it teaches that people deserve to be tortured for eternity just because they didn't lick the boots of 'Allah' like Tzortises (Tortoises ) father and mother, it demonstrates that 'Allah' is a depraved and sadistic psychopath.

We have to have plain speaking here now, Imran

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Reply #39 - March 27, 2011, 11:14 PM

yawn

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Reply #40 - March 27, 2011, 11:15 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:12 PM
If god didnt exist then all of your comments are valid and justified by default.

Its the misery and sadism that it wreaks on lives and societies in the world that requires corrective.

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Reply #41 - March 27, 2011, 11:16 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:14 PM
yawn

I'm planting those seeds in your head Imran, they will bloom one day if you ever locate your humanity amidst the snake pit of irrational hate you have been inculcated with

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Reply #42 - March 27, 2011, 11:17 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:10 PM
In Islam we believe that all people are equal with regards to their ethnicity/gender..etc. apart from their piety, good actions and love for god. At the end of the day Allah is the one who we should truly love - Hamza recognises this and hopefully god will make peace at his heart.

Allah will torture his family for ever, why should Hamza pray that his family's torturer make his load lighter? It sounds so incredibly masochistic to ask to torturer of your family to give you something to numb the your own pain of knowing that the torturer will torture them forever. Why not just make the torturer stop?

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #43 - March 27, 2011, 11:18 PM

thank you for that beautiful piece of prose billy.

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Reply #44 - March 27, 2011, 11:20 PM

Quote from: deusvult on March 27, 2011, 11:17 PM

Allah will torture his family for ever, why should Hamza pray that his family's torturer make his load lighter? It sounds so incredibly masochistic to ask to torturer of your family to give you something to numb the your own pain of knowing that the torturer will torture them forever. Why not just make the torturer stop?

I think the underlying question you are trying to ask is why does God send people to hell. Am I right?

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Reply #45 - March 27, 2011, 11:21 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:04 PM
its a funny question to ask in this sense when Allah has created us - yet we are all so ungrateful.

Why does creating something make those created automatically grateful? No one has any memory of this deal, of accepting the terms and condition, and the people who are telling us that we should be grateful are the same people telling us that we are worthless, that we should have people who love us, etc. I have been around enough abusive relationships to know that this is what is being sold.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #46 - March 27, 2011, 11:22 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:18 PM
thank you for that beautiful piece of prose billy.

We'll be here for you if you ever do locate your reason, Imran. However long it takes.

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Reply #47 - March 27, 2011, 11:24 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:20 PM
I think the underlying question you are trying to ask is why does God send people to hell. Am I right?

No I am asking why a person could even comprehend the idea of creating a whole experiment which systematically kills, tortures, infects people's minds, tells them that they are worthless, a spec of dirty unworthy of any humanity except that the torturer's whim, then tells them that they will burn forever and then claim to be the most merciful being ever created.

I can understand a system created like the Abrahamic faiths, but to call its creator merciful cannot be comprehended.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #48 - March 27, 2011, 11:24 PM

Quote from: deusvult on March 27, 2011, 11:21 PM
Why does creating something make those created automatically grateful? No one has any memory of this deal, of accepting the terms and condition, and the people who are telling us that we should be grateful are the same people telling us that we are worthless, that we should have people who love us, etc. I have been around enough abusive relationships to know that this is what is being sold.

thats got no relevance to what im saying. Neither did I make the claim that the created are automatically grateful?

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Reply #49 - March 27, 2011, 11:26 PM

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thats got no relevance to what im saying. Neither did I make the claim that the created are automatically grateful

You said that Allah created us, and yet we are ungrateful. Perhaps after a few million years of torture we should revisit those people and ask if they are grateful for being put into this whole experiment of which they had no memory of agreeing to.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #50 - March 27, 2011, 11:26 PM

Quote from: deusvult on March 27, 2011, 11:24 PM
No I am asking why a person could even comprehend the idea of creating a whole experiment which systematically kills, tortures, infects people's minds, tells them that they are worthless, a spec of dirty unworthy of any humanity except that the torturer's whim, then tells them that they will burn forever and then claim to be the most merciful being ever created.

I can understand a system created like the Abrahamic faiths, but to call its creator merciful cannot be comprehended.

You arent god - you cant comprehend transcendentality

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Reply #51 - March 27, 2011, 11:29 PM

God expects a 9 year old kid, barely capable of multiplying two numbers, to solve the Riemann hypthesis.
Lol

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Reply #52 - March 27, 2011, 11:29 PM

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You arent god - you cant comprehend transcendentality

So why are you claiming you comprehend its nature.

Are you saying YOU are GOD?

Astaghfirullah!

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Reply #53 - March 27, 2011, 11:30 PM

As a muslim I wanted to get in touch with non-muslim relatives and I wanted to know what the Islamic view was, I remember finding a video of a salafi sheikh where he says that even if your mother was a non-muslim you still respect and care for them, quoting the following hadith:

Sahih bukhari
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 407:
Narrated Asma 'bint Abi Bakr:

During the period of the peace treaty of Quraish with Allah's Apostle, my mother, accompanied by her father, came to visit me, and she was a pagan. I consulted Allah's Apostle, "O Allah's Apostle! My mother has come to me and she desires to receive a reward from me, shall I keep good relation with her?" He said, "Yes, keep good relation with her."
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Reply #54 - March 27, 2011, 11:32 PM

Aphrodite, don't you think its arrogance almost without peer, to think you need permission from a religion in order to have 'good relations' with your own flesh and blood?

Its kind of perverse, the presumption of it, isn't it?

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Reply #55 - March 27, 2011, 11:34 PM

I do now but back then I didn't.
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Reply #56 - March 27, 2011, 11:40 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 11:26 PM
You arent god - you cant comprehend transcendentality

Quote from: billy on March 27, 2011, 11:29 PM
So why are you claiming you comprehend its nature.

Are you saying YOU are GOD?

Astaghfirullah!

Billy is right. If you claim I can't know Allah is evil because he transcends me, then you can't say Allah is good because he transcends you. What I do know , and apparently what he wants us to know is that he created a system in which he actively encourages messing with people's minds to tell them that people who they care about deeply will burn forever, inflicting mental torture on his believers which is what we see when we watch the video.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #57 - March 28, 2011, 12:29 AM

something tells me this dude, Hamza, would apostate in the end.

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Reply #58 - March 28, 2011, 12:31 AM

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Billy is right. If you claim I can't know Allah is evil because he transcends me, then you can't say Allah is good because he transcends you. What I do know , and apparently what he wants us to know is that he created a system in which he actively encourages messing with people's minds to tell them that people who they care about deeply will burn forever, inflicting mental torture on his believers which is what we see when we watch the video.

No actually billy's wrong. bluecake is just reporting what his God tells him, in a holy scripture, about Himself.

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Reply #59 - March 28, 2011, 01:02 AM

Quote from: debunker on March 28, 2011, 12:29 AM
something tells me this dude, Hamza, would apostate in the end.

Dunno about that. Unless he suffers from a bout of Salafi burn-out. He seems like a dyed-in-the-wool Islamist to me.
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