^ LOL, We know the curse won't work.
@ Debunker
I was merely referring to the highlighted part of the verse.
4.78
Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, "All [things] are from Allah ." So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement?
This verse justifies me calling you an idiot, wouldn't it ? since i keep having to clarify myself, but i'm sure you have a different opinion to that?
What makes anyone an idiot, but the fact that someone else thinks they are one? it's this muslim non muslim mentality imo which divides, to think non muslims/ hypocrites had difficulty accepting god's nature justifies calling them an idiot is beyond me. if a human did it , i'd understand. we can be impatient. but Allah? the god who ultimately wants Islam to remain as the human default, it's odd. yet muslims /when their form of Islam is "acceptable" get endless mercy & forgiveness from him. it's advertising.
yes, i know what the Qurnic hypocrites mean, and no they weren't just hiding their disbelief, they wished the Muslims ill, so yeah they were all bad people. that's as far as the human aspect of their badness is concerned. As far as their disbelief per se is concerned, that's between them and God.
yes, the 2 verses said: "even if there was no war, they would have died anyway becasue their time has come, so don't blame your prophet, it's all from God, you idiots. Plus, regarding the question of good and evil, no one "deserves" good, not even the prophet, God's grace is why anyone gets any good in their life at all".
yeah , i'm sure you know what hypocrites mean. I mentioned it for the sake of clarification and if you felt the need to anything to that.
Notice the bolded.
1- Muslims can curse non muslims/ but non muslims can't curse muslims? What's wishing ill for another in the end of a day but a wish and self inflicted torture.
there aren't many incidents as i am aware of hypocrites actively planning to challenge the prophet's power.but to mention the incidents about his hypocrite companions plotting to take over his power or influence other muslims to view him less intensly and compete with his position. I just wonder if you are capable of Switching the word hypocrites to
"people" and wonder if you'd have a different view.
way i see it , mohammed had some of these traits.
1- cursing those who bluntly don't agree with him amongst his people. you would argue this is God's word though.ie Idiots.
2- easily threatened ( as the story goes with" his
hypocrite companions building a mosque" which the prophet went on interpreting this with the following words " to lead them astray from my pious mosque" and refused the idea.
the above two traits is not uncommon though, I can react that way and i've seen people react that way.(albeit i wouldn't go as far as refusing something without a good unselfish reason. but if your quote applies which is the following
"we are all sinners, even the prophet"how is the split personality conveyed in these verses below reasoned?
1-That you (mankind) may believe in Allah and His (Prophetic) Messenger, and may respect him, and
honour him, and may
glorify Him (Allah) morning and evening. (48:9)
2-Say (O Beloved Prophet): If your fathers, and your sons, and your brothers, and your wives, and your kinsfolk, and the wealth you have acquired, and merchandise for which you fear that there will be no sale, and dwellings you desire, are dearer to you than Allah
and His (Prophetic) Messenger
and fighting in His Way: then wait till Allah brings His Command to pass, and Allah does not guide the disobedient people. (9:24)
^
Lots of
ands. and is used to distinguish between what what comes before and after treating them as separate requirements. (ie get me a pen and paper)
3-O you who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak aloud when speaking to him as you shout one to another, lest your deeds become worthless while you perceive not.
^
Speaking to the prophet in a "loudish" voice can nullify a good deed.which is what a muslim supposedly lives to do.
I gather from your posts you have thought through your understanding of God within your personal life and it remains a priority for you to tackle his nature when a challenging concept arises from one of the members. That's all well. do you have the same approach towards the prophet whom you are inclined by the quran to put faith towards his intention/sincerity or lack of it when forwarding "god's message"?
If the prophet was amongst us now, and many believed him to be the prophet of Allah, yet these verses were an order given through his voice claimed to be from Allah, Would you be a follower and accept the standards these verses impose on you towards him?it's easy noe that he's dead. how is it possible to believe that he's a normal man who sins+ at the same time believe it's a right of his to set such standards even by God. for me to imagine that i'd just switch someone i'm inspired by and add the fact that they think they are above everything & everyone in my life to the point of if i speak too loud, my accomplishments might dissolve to nothing?...eventually i'd tell them to fuck off and accept consequences of repression & bad mouthing from the point of authority i'd even go as far as exposing them. I'd be a total hypocrite at those times/ more accurately a kafira. and if you're normal as well , you would be a hypocrite at heart, too
So does the prophet have a mixed message?( i am human and inclined to mistakes hence my over reaction/instability is excused, yet i am to be honored and by set standards as per God's instruction) Is this insecure/demanding image of the prophet from god or the prophet himself? would millions of muslims following the prophet be a justified even acceptable idea had it not been stated to do so in the Quran? How can so much faith be put in the quran as a whole ( i understand the idea about accepting god's nature:- god is unknown therefore new information is welcome and weighed to ones perception) But the prophet is a human as millions of us are and millions of us have been and hopefully millions would be) it is expected to make a sound judgment on his character as it is portrayed and consider that judgment of ours for each and every verse we read.
without being Dogmatic of course
Topic: Where is evil coming from as per Quran ?