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 Topic: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.

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  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #30 - April 09, 2011, 05:56 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on April 09, 2011, 05:27 PM
    Actually it does, the jews also banned the eating of seafood aswell.

    How come pork wasn't universally prohibited then even when it comes to other cultures/religions?

    I know that shellfish is not kosher (Dr. Zoidberg is Jewish btw).

    Quote from: mighty_cats on April 09, 2011, 05:27 PM
    Exceptionally dangerous when not kept refrigerated and can't be equated to cannibalism.

    Why not cannibalism? Apparently cooked pork smells and tastes almost the same as cooked human flesh.

    Quote from: Q-Man on April 09, 2011, 05:12 PM
    Answer is the pigs are not desirable in places with limited arable land as they dig up roots.

    Interesting. How come there wasn't a universal prohibition of pork in all places that fit the criteria? Like in Mongolia for example? Do you happen to know whether pork was prohibited in North African cultures in times that pre-date Islamic conquest of the area?
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #31 - April 09, 2011, 06:03 PM
    @ billy

    Quote
    What exactly is the reason why kosher-ists and halal-ists are opposed to stunning? Is it because it prevents or inhibits draining of the blood?


    that's it exactly. In Islam, as well as in Judiasm, blood is very filthy (a foreign concept to ancient Arabs, since they used to drain animals to drink their blood... Ughh!)
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #32 - April 09, 2011, 06:15 PM
    @Kenan-- just because practical reasons led to the cultural/religious prohibition of pork amongst Jews and Muslims of the Levant and Arabia does not necessarily mean that everyone else (or indeed anyone else) would adopt the same prohibition based on the same reasons. Although apparently there was once a taboo against pork amongst Scottish Highlanders-- and there's no scholarly consensus on why that was too.
    fuck you
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #33 - April 09, 2011, 06:22 PM
    pork tastes like human meat according to a well known cannabal and those jungle people on discovery channel.

    I would never touch it on that bases.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #34 - April 09, 2011, 06:27 PM
    Then human must be fuckin delicious.
    fuck you
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #35 - April 09, 2011, 06:28 PM
    @Q -- Sure, I understand that. But if the criteria is based on the abundance of arable land one could perhaps expect to see a pattern emerging - based purely on statistical probability. There are quite a few places on this planet that fit the criteria populated by lots of different cultures.

    It's just that I have heard lots of different theories as why pork is specifically prohibited but I was never really happy with any of them.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #36 - April 09, 2011, 06:28 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on April 09, 2011, 06:27 PM
    Then human must be fuckin delicious.

    Apparently fatty ones taste better.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #37 - April 09, 2011, 06:35 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on April 09, 2011, 06:28 PM
    @Q -- Sure, I understand that. But if the criteria is based on the abundance of arable land one could perhaps expect to see a pattern emerging - based purely on statistical probability. There are quite a few places on this planet that fit the criteria populated by lots of different cultures.


    Right, but other places with limited arable land (Mongolia per your example) were not as densely populated as the Middle East and North Africa, and lacked the more advanced agriculture of those areas. In fact, I'd have a hard time thinking of any mostly arid environments outside of the Middle East and North Africa that were that densely populated, civilized, and agriculturally-developed in antiquity. When agriculture is limited and a lot of your food comes from hunting and gathering, the odd troop of wild pigs rooting up shit isn't as big of an issue.

    Quote
    It's just that I have heard lots of different theories as why pork is specifically prohibited but I was never really happy with any of them.


    Yeah, I get that, same here, though I think lack of arable land is the best theory I've heard.
    fuck you
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #38 - April 09, 2011, 06:36 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on April 09, 2011, 06:27 PM
    Then human must be fuckin delicious.


    It always baffles me how people can tolerate, or even like, the taste of pork, or lamb, since both have lots of fat inflitrating the meat. If one must eat meat, then lean meat like veal or deer is the way to go. (this has nothing to do with health concerns, I just find fatty meat absolutely disgusting).
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #39 - April 09, 2011, 06:38 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on April 09, 2011, 06:28 PM
    Apparently fatty ones taste better.


    Ugh! I'd rather get me lean meat and cook it with tons of butter!
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #40 - April 09, 2011, 06:41 PM
    Quote from: debunker on April 09, 2011, 06:36 PM
    It always baffles me how people can tolerate, or even like, the taste of pork, or lamb, since both have lots of fat inflitrating the meat. If one must eat meat, then lean meat like veal or deer is the way to go. (this has nothing to do with health concerns, I just find fatty meat absolutely disgusting).


    Fat is fuckin delicious you fucking Philistine, that's why lamb and pork are so tasty. Meat fat, milk fat (e.g. butter, cheese), vegetable fat (e.g. olive oil, avocado oil)-- when it comes to fat it's all fuckin good, baby.

    I never really cared for veal, but it's not exactly lacking in fat, debunker. Venison, while quite tasty, is lacking in fat, which is why a lot of people add lard to venison recipes.
    fuck you
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #41 - April 09, 2011, 06:47 PM
    I agree that butter/cheese/olive oil are delicious, but muscular/visceral fat is absolutely nauseating... people here are stunned when i refuse to dine on lamb-based feasts, thinking I'm sort of a weirdo, but really, everyone who likes this stuff is the real weirdo.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #42 - April 09, 2011, 06:54 PM
    No, sir, YOU are the weirdo.
    fuck you
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #43 - April 09, 2011, 07:47 PM
    I heard that pork was prohibited because all animals that aren't herbivores are haram to eat, I guess pork was mentioned more often because people seem to eat it more than other non-herbivores.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #44 - April 09, 2011, 07:54 PM
    That's true. True in Judaism as well, although in Judaism it gets even more specific-- pig is not kosher cause it has a split hoof but does not chew its cud
    fuck you
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #45 - April 09, 2011, 09:50 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on April 09, 2011, 03:08 AM
    Fuck animal rights.

    And fuck you!
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #46 - April 09, 2011, 09:53 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on April 09, 2011, 03:18 AM
    Whatever. There are many ways to slaughter animals. I would accept some regulations on large corporate entities, but the idea the state should be telling a farmer whether he should wring the neck of a chicken, chop its head off, or lock it in the garage underneath the exhaust of a running Monte Carlo is dumbass nanny state bullshit.

    It's not about you and what you happen to think about 'nannying state interference' you dumb fuck, it's about how to kill animals humanely-geddit?
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #47 - April 09, 2011, 09:56 PM
    Suck my cock, authoritarian scum.
    fuck you
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #48 - April 09, 2011, 09:57 PM
    Quote from: Pashtun on April 09, 2011, 11:10 AM
    Should there be a law for the way lions slaughter other animals?

    I agree food is food no matter how you slaughter it but it makes no difference and who cares if a animal feels pain or not.

    At the end of the day, the animal is a resource and will be eaten.

    Superstitious beliefs are irrelevent in this case. Animal rights suck, they are a waste of time,

    What a thoroughly callous mindset. Thank goodness you're not my son-in law. I'd have to deck you on a regular basis.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #49 - April 09, 2011, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on April 09, 2011, 09:56 PM
    Suck my cock, authoritarian scum.

    What's authoritarian about being humane?
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #50 - April 09, 2011, 10:00 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on April 09, 2011, 09:57 PM
    What a thoroughly callous mindset. Thank goodness you're not my son-in law. I'd have to deck you on a regular basis.


    +1

    Except I'd rather tie him up and feign-slaughter him on a regular basis.  grin12
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #51 - April 09, 2011, 10:05 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on April 09, 2011, 09:58 PM
    What's authoritarian about being humane?


    Using the state to enforce your hippie beliefs through physical coercion is authoritarian. The issue here is not whether or not halal slaughter is less humane than other methods, but whether the state should ban halal slaughter or now. The laws of the nanny state you so consistently advocate here (also when it comes to drugs and helmet laws, etc.) are enforced through the gun-thuggery, extortion and imprisonment-- it doesn't happen in a vacuum just because you have the luxury of not having to deal with the nasty reality of enforcing these laws.
    fuck you
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #52 - April 09, 2011, 10:10 PM
    Quote from: debunker on April 09, 2011, 06:38 PM
    Ugh! I'd rather get me lean meat and cook it with tons of butter!

    Butter is animal fat.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #53 - April 09, 2011, 10:13 PM
    Quote
    Butter is animal fat.


    Who are you kidding?! Of course butter is NOT animal fat!
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #54 - April 09, 2011, 10:15 PM
    simple google search....

    correct me if it's wrong, but I thought butter was just hydrogenated fat.
    Quote
    Butter, as an animal fat, contains both saturated fats and cholesterol – the two dietary ingredients that increase blood cholesterol. Saturated fats can raise LDL cholesterol (also known as "bad" cholesterol), which raises total blood cholesterol as well. Cholesterol in foods, on the other hand, has little effect on blood cholesterol in most people. But for some, even a little dietary cholesterol can cause a soar in blood cholesterol levels.


    http://www.healthcastle.com/butter-or-margarine.shtml
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #55 - April 09, 2011, 10:21 PM
    @ Eph

    i was being sarcastic.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #56 - April 09, 2011, 10:22 PM
    Actually now i'm confused about whether it merely contains fats from milk or animal fat itself.

     mysmilie_977

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #57 - April 09, 2011, 10:22 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on April 09, 2011, 10:05 PM
    Using the state to enforce your hippie beliefs through physical coercion is authoritarian. The issue here is not whether or not halal slaughter is less humane than other methods, but whether the state should ban halal slaughter or now. The laws of the nanny state you so consistently advocate here (also when it comes to drugs and helmet laws, etc.) are enforced through the gun-thuggery, extortion and imprisonment-- it doesn't happen in a vacuum just because you have the luxury of not having to deal with the nasty reality of enforcing these laws.

    You appear to possess a very warped sense of what it is to be a well balanced Human. You can choose whatever presumed basis you want for your particular version of this debate, always bearing in mind that the bolshiness of your stance indicates a certain kind of insecurity which is the antithesis of the  toughness you try too hard at, but the basic facts are that compassion and humanity in dispatching other , higher life forms in the most pain free manner we can conceive is the most important priority and not some mind bending distortion involving the irrational ramblings of religion diseased minds.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #58 - April 09, 2011, 10:24 PM
     popcorn
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Netherlands to vote on law banning slaughter by halal or kosher means.
     Reply #59 - April 09, 2011, 10:24 PM
    Quote from: Ephemeral on April 09, 2011, 10:22 PM
    Actually now i'm confused about whether it merely contains fats from milk or animal fat itself.

     mysmilie_977



    Fats from milk only.
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