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IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
OP - April 09, 2011, 10:01 PM

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IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain:

-Science, BETTER than scientists do,

-Economics, BETTER than economists do,

-Politics, BETTER than politicians do,

-History, BETTER than historians do,

-Maths, BETTER than mathematicians do,

-People, BETTER than psychologists & sociologists do,

And so on and so forth.

Science-

Over 1400 years ago in the Qur’an, Allah says:

-THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
(Qur'an, 51:47)

Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." However, modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly "expands."
At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.
This notion was confirmed by the use of observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. This discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy.

-THE MOON'S ORBIT

And We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date branch. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere.
(Qur'an, 36:39-40)

There is no doubt that it was impossible for anyone to have any knowledge about the orbit of the Moon 1,400 years ago.

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Over 1400 years ago in the Qur’an & through prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said & implemented a successful economics system:

Whereas the economic system used today has implemented many factors from the Islamic economic system, however there is no question that today’s economies HAVE failed (since there is world hunger, poverty, crimes etc)

You might think if today’s economics system with parts of the Islamic economic system has failed then that means the Islamic system will fail.

However the Islamic economic system was implemented and was successful for over a thousand years.
Also the reason why today’s economics system failed is because it only has parts of the Islamic economics system and its parts from man.

It’s like an exam: Revising half the information will not help you complete your exam paper and get an A.
So, Revising from the Islamic system will answer all the questions & complete your exam (a successful economy)
Revising from the capital system today (with some of Islam) will only answer some questions & a incomplete exam (a failed economy)

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Reply #1 - April 09, 2011, 10:02 PM

Yet besides having all this "advanced knowledge" at their finger tips, most muslim nations aren't exactly doing any better off.

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Reply #2 - April 09, 2011, 10:03 PM

Islamic economic system? What Islamic economic system? It doesn't have one beyond 'paying interest is worse than fornicating with your mother 70 times'
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Reply #3 - April 09, 2011, 10:05 PM

Actually it does
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Reply #4 - April 09, 2011, 10:10 PM

Quote from: Mohammed Muhi on April 09, 2011, 10:01 PM
I found this on facebook

IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain:

-Science, BETTER than scientists do,

-Economics, BETTER than economists do,

-Politics, BETTER than politicians do,

-History, BETTER than historians do,

-Maths, BETTER than mathematicians do,

-People, BETTER than psychologists & sociologists do,

It doesn't do any of those. ROFL @ maths in Islam. The psychology consists of dividing people into believers who are morally good and disbelievers who just want sex. It's politics is 'obey or die'.

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And so on and so forth.

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Over 1400 years ago in the Qur’an, Allah says:

-THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
(Qur'an, 51:47)

The 'steadily expanding it' is a fiction. What this verse represents is an old myth of the god who separated the earth from the 'heavens'.

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-THE MOON'S ORBIT

And We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date branch. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere.
(Qur'an, 36:39-40)

There is no doubt that it was impossible for anyone to have any knowledge about the orbit of the Moon 1,400 years ago.

What knowledge, there is nothing notable in that verse.

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Economics-

It’s like an exam: Revising half the information will not help you complete your exam paper and get an A.
So, Revising from the Islamic system will answer all the questions & complete your exam (a successful economy)
Revising from the capital system today (with some of Islam) will only answer some questions & a incomplete exam (a failed economy)

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Reply #5 - April 09, 2011, 10:11 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on April 09, 2011, 10:05 PM
Actually it does

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Reply #6 - April 09, 2011, 10:12 PM

Out of interest, is the quote for the expanding universe ('it is we who are steadily expanding it'), an accurate translation of what is in the quran?

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Reply #7 - April 09, 2011, 10:14 PM

thanks for answering Prince, even before I finished asking

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Reply #8 - April 09, 2011, 10:19 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on April 09, 2011, 10:11 PM
Do share.

Banking, taxes, social welfare, etc. are all part of Islamic economics. I cba to explain so:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economic_jurisprudence
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Reply #9 - April 09, 2011, 10:31 PM

Yeah like I thought, there is nothing actually there.
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Reply #10 - April 09, 2011, 10:35 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on April 09, 2011, 10:19 PM
Banking, taxes, social welfare, etc. are all part of Islamic economics. I cba to explain so:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economic_jurisprudence

Thats just a load of Muslims sulking about the spheres of humankind that have nothing to do with Islam and inventing stuff to satiate their feelings of marginalisation, and to propound the idea that Islam has the answer to everything.

If someone raided the Bible and said there is a Christian economics, or Hindus raided the bhagavad gita and said Hinduism has an economic system, you'd pat them on the head and say, 'good boy, go and play with your computer games now'. For some reason, Muslims have low self esteem and so very few people want to upset them any further, so nobody laughs too loudly. 'Sharia finance' is just middle-eastern money being put to dawah use.

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Reply #11 - April 09, 2011, 10:42 PM

Most "sharia finance" today is actually haraam, they still charge interest but call it summat else

There's hardly anything in the Quran about economics, a bit in the hadith but a lot of it was made and reformed by the caliphs and it did work once upon a time, successfully too (empires are usually good at that) so that's why I don't laugh
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Reply #12 - April 09, 2011, 10:43 PM

Islam is like communism: Both ideologies claim to create utopia, both are totalitarian, both are against USA.
The fact that one is godless doesn't make it any better.

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Reply #13 - April 09, 2011, 10:48 PM

I bet Adam Smith wrote praises to Mohammad saying he perfected an economic system in Medina that was only in the 18th century being replicated. These pages from his manuscript were obviously hidden and ignored for centuries in order to deny Islam its triumph.

IsLame, I sense a new 'Stephen Hawkings' video.

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Reply #14 - April 10, 2011, 03:02 AM

Quote from: Aphrodite on April 09, 2011, 10:19 PM
Banking, taxes, social welfare, etc. are all part of Islamic economics. I cba to explain so:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economic_jurisprudence

None of this is "economics" more like selected economic practices codified. It's like calling my pension for avoiding 401ks and putting my money into commodities Deusvult economics. Islamic economics has failed to produce a holistic unique economic theory and it can't because it isn't an economic system or theory it is a proto economic system. Islamic economics was hodge podged together in the 70's because how dare the Kuffar be the leaders in a field of study. Since then Islamic economics hasn't been anything but reactionary in its information; The Islamic objections to the fractional banking system is almost word for word based off of Austrian economics objections to the fractional reserve system. That isn't to say that various economic practices that Muslims practice are without merit. Some are, but a holistic economic system it is not.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #15 - April 10, 2011, 03:36 AM

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-THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
(Qur'an, 51:47)

Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." However, modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly "expands."

Bullshit!
The verse does not mention any thing about "expanding" of the univers.....in fact the arabic word "MOSI'OON" does not talk about heaven or the universe...."WA INNA LA MOSI'OON" means We (allah) are capable.
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Reply #16 - April 10, 2011, 04:02 AM

Quote from: Mohammed Muhi on April 09, 2011, 10:01 PM
I found this on facebook

IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain:

-Science, BETTER than scientists do,

-Economics, BETTER than economists do,

-Politics, BETTER than politicians do,

-History, BETTER than historians do,

-Maths, BETTER than mathematicians do,

-People, BETTER than psychologists & sociologists do,

As demonstrated by:
-The 1000 year absolute non existence of scientific progression in Islamic countries and relying on non-muslims worldwide to hand it to them...and set it up...and maintain it.
-The wonderful economic state of affairs that Islamic countries possess. Which is pretty much inline with the day when peoples currency was once tree bark, animal bones and cocoa beans and the national method of transport being a large dog or soviet era vehicle with a mobile cassette player taped on which demonstrates 'wealth'.
-As demonstrated by the almost absolute lack of human rights followings through the most corrupt theocracies and parliaments and councilmen the world has ever seen that rarely remain intact, metaphorically and physically.
-A history of accomplishing absolutely nothing of value besides the remnants of pirating other peoples knowledge and classing it as the 'enlightenment' (yes, when the enlightenment of your religion is based on copying non-muslims work, you know you're in trouble) and an entire basis of history being 'adam and eve', 'god dun did it' and 'what ever the quran says' as an educated explanation.
-Maths so amazing that half the populations of many Islamic countries don't even know how to use the most basic aspects of it.
Heres a maths problem that these great muslim mathematicians can fix for us:
100 muslims, 1/2 cant read, 1/5 are under three years old and 1/5 are unable to understand the most basics of their religion and the remainder don't follow the rules = 100 muslims? C'mon muslims, fix it.
-and a truly great understanding of people, like....cutting their heads off, not letting women work or educate themselves and ofcourse, killing the jews and penalizing non-believers because....they're non-believers.

The rest is easily (easier) refuted garbage as demonstrated by my video series.

If only muslims brought their dopey idiotic cluster-fuck claims into reality...
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Reply #17 - April 10, 2011, 04:40 AM

If Judaism is false explain the amount of Nobel winning scientists ?

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Reply #18 - April 10, 2011, 04:49 AM

I stopped reading at the first one;

-Science, BETTER than scientists do,

We have the Western world to thank for most things, the fruits of the free world.

If Islam explained things, you would not have millions of people leaving Islamic countries, nor would you have people protesting on the streets, corrupt governments, brutal theocratic regimes, no democracy, low human development levels, poor education standards and healthcare and whatnot.

Interestingly enough, the Jewish population accounts for 20% of the Nobel Prize winners, why is it that such a small and minuscule minority of people can have such an overwhelming contribution to technology, science, academia and philosophy?
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Reply #19 - April 10, 2011, 08:02 AM

If anything "Western science" is really just an expansion of medieval Islamic science. Explain the following phenomena:

Chemistry: Founded by Jābir ibn Hayyān
Algebra and algorithms: Founded by Al-Khawrizimi
Anthropology, Geology and Indology: Founded by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
Medicine: Founded by Ibn Sina
Social sciences such as demography,cultural history, historiography, philosophy of history, sociology and economics: Founded by Ibn Khaldun
Historical geography: Founded by Al-Masudi
Environmental Science (!): Founded by Al-Masudi
Psychiatry, Clinical psychiatry and Clinical psychology: Founded by Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari,
Mental health, Medical psychology, Cognitive psychology, Cognitive therapy, Psychophysiology and Psychosomatic medicine: Founded by Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi
Mental disorder classification: founded by Najab ud-din Muhammad,
Social psychology and consciousness studies: founded by Al-Farabi
Neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology: founded by Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi
Neurosurgery: founded by Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi
experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception: founded by Ibn al-Haytham
physiological psychology, neuropsychiatry, thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness: founded by Ibn Sina
Parkinson's disease: founded by Averroes
tabula rasa and nature versus nurture: founded by Ibn Tufail
neuroinflammation and neurogenesis: founded by Mir Sajad
pharmacy and pharmacopoeia: founded by Shapur ibn Sahl
Pharmacology: Founded by Al-Kindi
obstetrics and perinatology: Founded by Ali ibn Abbas Al-Majusi
dental restoration: Abu Gaafar Amed ibn Ibrahim ibn abi Halid al-Gazzar
modern surgery: founded by Abu Qasim Al-Zawahiri
eye surgery, visual system and visual perception: founded by Ibn Al-Haytham
experimental surgery: founded by Ibn Zuhr
circulatory physiology, circulatory anatomy, and Nafisian anatomy, physiology, pulsology and sphygmology: Founded by Ibn Al-Nafis
embryology: founded by Ibn Al-Quff
bacteriology and microbiology: founded by Ibn Khatima
fibromyalgia: founded by Muhammad B Yunus
optics, scientific method and experimental physics:founded by Ibn Al-Haytham (considered first real scientist)
experimental mechanics: founded by Abu Rayyhan Al-Biruni
robotics and modern engineering: founded by Al-Jazairi

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Reply #20 - April 10, 2011, 08:06 AM

You've missed the point, Ghurabaa. The claim we're disputing isn't that muslim scientists have made great contributions to the sum of human knowledge, (although even there you're over egging the pudding), but that the Qur'an itself has made a great contribution to science.

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Reply #21 - April 10, 2011, 08:13 AM

The Qur'an is a religious text. not a scientific treatise.

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Reply #22 - April 10, 2011, 08:15 AM

Quote from: Ghurabaa on April 10, 2011, 08:02 AM
Parkinson's disease: founded by Averroes

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Reply #23 - April 10, 2011, 08:15 AM

Quote from: Ghurabaa on April 10, 2011, 08:13 AM
The Qur'an is a religious text. not a scientific treatise.

You don't need to tell us that, you need to tell the muslims spouting Bucaillist nonsense on facebook.

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Reply #24 - April 10, 2011, 08:17 AM

http://parkinsons.about.com/od/treatmentoptions/a/treatment_hist.htm

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it was not seriously studied until medieval period (apparently by the Islamic philosopher Averroes)

Is there a problem?

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Reply #25 - April 10, 2011, 08:19 AM

Quote from: Cheetah on April 10, 2011, 08:15 AM
You don't need to tell us that, you need to tell the muslims spouting Bucaillist nonsense on facebook.

I havent read any of Dr.Bucaille's books, but I will not deny that the Qur'an does have some little miracles when it comes to the natural world, but that's not the main miracle. Probably the best thing about the Qur'an is it's linguistic miracle.

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Reply #26 - April 10, 2011, 08:22 AM

Quote from: Ghurabaa on April 10, 2011, 08:17 AM
http://parkinsons.about.com/od/treatmentoptions/a/treatment_hist.htm

Is there a problem?

You seem devoid of any sense of humor and any sense of grammar

You said (i.e. copypasted) that Parkinson's disease was FOUNDED by Averroes.
Lulz?!
Think about what it actually means?

I just wanted to point out the funniness in it, because it made me smile

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Reply #27 - April 10, 2011, 08:25 AM

Quote from: Ghurabaa on April 10, 2011, 08:19 AM
I havent read any of Dr.Bucaille's books, but I will not deny that the Qur'an does have some little miracles when it comes to the natural world, but that's not the main miracle. Probably the best thing about the Qur'an is it's linguistic miracle.

Stick to one thing, you can't claim that quran has scientific miracles when it suits you, and then claim that it should be treated as just a religious text the next time. Also, many arab posters here have confirmed that linguistically quran is written very poorly in many places.

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Quote from: Ghurabaa on April 10, 2011, 08:02 AM
robotics and modern engineering: founded by Al-Jazairi

who was this guy?

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Reply #29 - April 10, 2011, 09:45 AM

Quote from: Ghurabaa on April 10, 2011, 08:02 AM
If anything "Western science" is really just an expansion of medieval Islamic science. Explain the following phenomena:

Algebra and algorithms: Founded by Al-Khawrizimi

Do you happen to know that his work is not entirely original but is among other things based on Greek, neo-Babylonian and Indian sources?

One of his most important book is titled "On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals".

Guess what, humans as reasoning mammals have a capability of incorporating and building upon experience of others.

What you are really saying is that modern transport was essentially 'founded' by that girl/guy in (probably) Mesopotamia who invented the wheel.
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