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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #60 - April 11, 2011, 06:19 PM

    Interesting Observer.

    I was also of the Hanafi Madhab.

    I agree with you that shariah "worked", but I would disagree that it was a perfect system, for example due to the way that non-Muslims and women are treated as second-class citizens. I was actually HT for a bit and they had some interesting ideas about how shariah should be implemented in a 21st century, globalised society. Do you have any thoughts on how shariah should be implemented today?



    In the system, from my knowledge, it is important to note the status of Muslims, who are dhimmis, Abassadors/consulates,  Must’amin or mu'ahids.
    It should be know who and what they are, and status they hold in society, because they disbelieve in Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (PBUH).

    Despite their status, they must be treated fair.

    As a Hadith states: he Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “He who hurts a dhimmi hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys Allah.”

    http://khilaafah.com/systems/belief/non-muslim/khilafah_4.html

    The following Link details how the Non-Muslims would live in an Islamic system, contrary to what is said by some people. If you were a HT member, perhaps you appreciate the source.

    ___

    As for my views on how Sharia is practise today. Well it isn't, not fully anyway.
    Many look to Saudi Arabia has the 'Home of Islam'. Which is ironic, considering it is ruled over by a family monarchy.

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    Quote
    Not really, if they were both authentic, then I would deduce the belief is contradictory & therefore manmade.


    I think you're confused with the concept of Hadith. It's a collection of the sayings or actions of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).
    To answer most of your questions, for you to quote me a Hadith, without any context or background to it, its meaningless.

    So unless your an Islamic Scholar or Historian, it's pointless you quoting me a random bit of text from Sahih Bukhari and telling me what it means. I would have thought that would be elementary understanding...
    ____

    Ok since we're doing the interrogation thing again... same question as usual from me...

    Do you think it's justifiable that Allah sends people to hell forever because they don't believe in him?


    Well put it this way.
    If i believe in Allah (SWT), who is the supreme being, all knowledgeable, all knowing, and the creator of this universe.
    If i believe in the prophets he sent down to tell mankind about Allah (SWT), from Adam (AS), Nuh (AS), Musa (AS), Isa (AS) and to Muhammed (SAWS).

    Then ofcourse i will believe Allah (SWT) to be just, when he says he is Just.
    It's not a case of what i think and how other people think, it all comes back to whether or not you believe in a Creator, and if he communicated to you or not.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #61 - April 11, 2011, 06:24 PM

    Quote
    To answer most of your questions, for you to quote me a Hadith, without any context or background to it, its meaningless.

    How meaningless is this hadith for you? It is mentioned many times in both saheeh bukhari and saheeh muslim?

    Sahih Bukhari

        Narrated Anas:The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 7, Bk. 71, No. 590. (Also, see No. 589.)

        Narrated Anas: Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die. Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol. 8, Bk. 82, No. 794.

    Sahih Muslim

        Anas reported: Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukl came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and swore allegiance to him on Islam, but found the climate of that land uncogenial to their health and thus they became sick, and they made complaint of that to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: Why don't you go to (the fold) of our camels along with our shepherd, and make use of their milk and urine. They said: Yes. They set out and drank their (camels') milk and urine and regained their health. They killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This (news) reached Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.

        This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ibn al-Sabbah with a slight variation of words. Sahih Muslim, Book 16, Number 4131 (Also, see 4130, 4132).

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #62 - April 11, 2011, 06:30 PM

    Allah is just because he says he is just. The quran is true becaue the quran says it's true Grin
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #63 - April 11, 2011, 06:32 PM



    Well put it this way.
    If i believe in Allah (SWT), who is the supreme being, all knowledgeable, all knowing, and the creator of this universe.
    If i believe in the prophets he sent down to tell mankind about Allah (SWT), from Adam (AS), Nuh (AS), Musa (AS), Isa (AS) and to Muhammed (SAWS).

    Then ofcourse i will believe Allah (SWT) to be just, when he says he is Just.
    It's not a case of what i think and how other people think, it all comes back to whether or not you believe in a Creator, and if he communicated to you or not.



    Do you think belief is a choice?
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #64 - April 11, 2011, 06:34 PM

    I think discussing hadiths is counter productive and not at all necessary. It's far simpler to just cite the arguments against Allah's existence.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #65 - April 11, 2011, 06:46 PM

    Hey Muddy. Well you've been talking about these Hadith in your posts more than once, so is this your ace in your sleeve argument against Islam ?

    As i mentioned earlier, im a Hanafi. From my understanding, the acknowledgment of the Medicinal benefits of Camel Urine is fair and sound.
    If you're a Non Muslim, and dont believe in Hadith, you may wish to look into scientific papers regarding the health benefits of Urine, and how athletes drink urine for its protein capabilities, and how it has immense anti-germ and bacteria properties. Furthermore, as far as i know for Hanafis, it is disliked to drink it, but is taken for medicinal purposes.

    Further reading on the Hadith you quoted. Yes, that maybe the treatment of bandits and criminals committing mischief through theft, murder and war in Muslim lands.

    However, if you prefer 6 months community service for thieves, and 5 years after good behavior for murder, than thats your opinion.

     Like i mentioned earlier.

    If you're going to quote me extracts and texts, its meaningless.
    What you quoted above is only a fraction of an entire system of governance, which was proven to work and flourished when practiced.

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #66 - April 11, 2011, 06:53 PM

    ...

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #67 - April 11, 2011, 06:54 PM

    I think that I might be one of those who are "hostile by default".

    In the system, from my knowledge, it is important to note the status of Muslims, who are dhimmis, Abassadors/consulates,  Must’amin or mu'ahids.
    It should be know who and what they are, and status they hold in society, because they disbelieve in Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (PBUH).

    Despite their status, they must be treated fair.

    What would the status of atheists be - of those who find allah completely irrelevant?

    Then ofcourse i will believe Allah (SWT) to be just, when he says he is Just.

    Therefore allah cannot act in an immoral way and the same holds true for those who claim a direct link to allah since clearly, a direct link to allah justifies the violation of any merely human constraints and considerations. Therefore somebody sanctioned by allah cannot commit evil even when performing the most gruesome act imaginable. As long as one truly believes and "knows" that one has a direct link to allah in fact cannot commit a sin - because morals are derived from allah.

    In the absence of any ethical standards external to your belief in and love for allah there is always a danger that this love of allah will be used as a legitimisation of the most horrible deeds.




  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #68 - April 11, 2011, 07:04 PM

    As i mentioned earlier, im a Hanafi. From my understanding, the acknowledgment of the Medicinal benefits of Camel Urine is fair and sound.
    If you're a Non Muslim, and dont believe in Hadith, you may wish to look into scientific papers regarding the health benefits of Urine, and how athletes drink urine for its protein capabilities, and how it has immense anti-germ and bacteria properties.

    Since you are the one making the claim could you please provide a few good quality peer reviewed scientific research papers on the said topic - health benefits of urine and urine consumption? I am sure that Muslim scientist have thoroughly researched the topic therefore there should be an abundance of such peer reviewed articles.

    Btw what exactly do you mean by "anti-germ and bacteria properties"?
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #69 - April 11, 2011, 07:05 PM

    Hey Muddy. Well you've been talking about these Hadith in your posts more than once, so is this your ace in your sleeve argument against Islam ?

    As i mentioned earlier, im a Hanafi. From my understanding, the acknowledgment of the Medicinal benefits of Camel Urine is fair and sound.


    Not correct!
    If you're a Non Muslim, and dont believe in Hadith, you may wish to look into scientific papers regarding the health benefits of Urine, and how athletes drink urine for its protein capabilities, and how it has immense anti-germ and bacteria properties.

    According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine_therapy
    there are no known scientifically-proven health benefits of such therapeutic use for urine
    Furthermore, as far as i know for Hanafis, it is disliked to drink it, but is taken for medicinal purposes.

    Hanafi dislike mohammad's urine obsession then?
    Further reading on the Hadith you quoted. Yes, that maybe the treatment of bandits and criminals committing mischief through theft, murder and war in Muslim lands.

    They only killed the sheppard. Mohammad ordered to cut their hands and legs and brand their eyes with hot iron! Seriously Mohammad (piss be upon him) was a moron, jerk, kunjar, kameena, harami, zaleel, kutta, haram zada, zalim, insane.. (I am running out of words now, but I seriously want to fill every swear word from every language to him here)
    However, if you prefer 6 months community service for thieves, and 5 years after good behavior for murder, than thats your opinion.

    It is much more sane, because you are not amputating them for rest of their lives. Cutting hands for theives even if they steal millions of dollars is UNJUST!!!
    If you're going to quote me extracts and texts, its meaningless.
    What you quoted above is only a fraction of an entire system of governance, which was proven to work and flourished when practiced.

    Same as being a muslim is meaningless, quran is a meaningless fuck.

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #70 - April 11, 2011, 07:14 PM

     quran is a meaningless fuck.

    muddy, Please don't insult  the "fuck"., you are offending me and  you are offending the "Life"

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #71 - April 11, 2011, 07:15 PM

    oops.. sorry!! Quran is meaningless shit

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #72 - April 11, 2011, 07:22 PM

    Relax, muddy relax.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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    Just kidding, here are some true heros
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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #73 - April 11, 2011, 07:34 PM

    In the system, from my knowledge, it is important to note the status of Muslims, who are dhimmis, Abassadors/consulates,  Must’amin or mu'ahids.
    It should be know who and what they are, and status they hold in society, because they disbelieve in Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (PBUH)


    Do you not feel this is a form of apartheid, singling people out for their beliefs and (echoing Prince's question) do you think we have a choice as to what we believe?
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #74 - April 11, 2011, 07:35 PM

    Mohammad's obsession with urine (Disliked by hanafi's)
    Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "If somebody keeps a horse in Allah's Cause motivated by his faith in Allah and his belief in His Promise, then he will be rewarded on the Day of Resurrection for what the horse has eaten or drunk and for its dung and urine."
    Sahih Bukhari 4:52:105
    ----
    The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy.
    Sahih Bukhari 7:71:590
    ----
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Once the Prophet, while passing through one of the grave-yards of Medina or Mecca heard the voices of two persons who were being tortured in their graves. The Prophet said, "These two persons are being tortured not for a major sin (to avoid)." The Prophet then added, "Yes! (they are being tortured for a major sin). Indeed, one of them never saved himself from being soiled with his urine while the other used to go about with calumnies (to make enmiy between friends). The Prophet then asked for a green leaf of a date-palm tree, broke it into two pieces and put one on each grave. On being asked why he had done so, he replied, "I hope that their torture might be lessened, till these get dried."
    Sahih Bukhari 1:4:215
    -----
    Narrated Amr ibn al-'As: AbdurRahman ibn Hasanah reported: I and Amr ibn al-'As went to the Prophet (peace be upon him). He came out with a leather shield (in his hand). He covered himself with it and urinated. Then we said: Look at him. He is urinating as a woman does. The Prophet (peace be upon him), heard this and said: Do you not know what befell a person from amongst Banu Isra'il (the children of Israel)? When urine fell on them, they would cut off the place where the urine fell; but he (that person) forbade them (to do so), and was punished in his grave.
    Abu Dawud 1:22
    ----
    Narrated 'Abdullah : A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears."
    Sahih Bukhari 2:21:245

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #75 - April 11, 2011, 07:35 PM

    Relax, muddy relax.

    When any muslim take branding eyes with hot iron lightly, it drives my head insane.. Sorry, I can't control it.

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #76 - April 11, 2011, 07:38 PM

    Since you are the one making the claim could you please provide a few good quality peer reviewed scientific research papers on the said topic - health benefits of urine and urine consumption? I am sure that Muslim scientist have thoroughly researched the topic therefore there should be an abundance of such peer reviewed articles.

    Btw what exactly do you mean by "anti-germ and bacteria properties"?

    I could only find one on PubMed:

    Quote from: Results
    All types of camel, but not bovine, urines differentially inhibited the induction of Cyp1a1 gene expression by TCDD, the most potent Cyp1a1 inducer and known carcinogenic chemical. Importantly, virgin camel urine showed the highest degree of inhibition at the activity level, followed by lactating and pregnant camel urines. Furthermore, we have shown that virgin camel urine significantly inhibited the TCDD-mediated induction of Cyp1a1 at the mRNA and protein expression levels. Mechanistically, the ability of virgin camel urine to inhibit Cyp1a1 was strongly correlated with its ability to inhibit AhR-dependent luciferase activity and DNA binding as determined by EMSA, suggesting that AhR-dependent mechanism is involved.

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    Abdulqader A. Alhaidera, Mohamed A.M. El Gendyb, Hesham M. Korashyc and Ayman O.S. El-Kadib, ,
    a Department of Pharmacology, College of Medicine, King Saud University, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
    b Faculty of Pharmacy & Pharmaceutical Sciences, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
    c Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, College of Pharmacy, King Saud University, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia


    It was published in some hippie journal btw.

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #77 - April 11, 2011, 07:55 PM

    Welcome to the forum, Observer1.

    I assume you are a supporter of HT (Hizb ut-Tahrir).  I had friends who were HT when I was a Muslim.  They are very quick to rant about western foreign policy and paint a very rosy picture of life under the Khilafah, yet they were far less practising and religious then me.  One guy was addicted to soaps on TV!  lol
    They probably commit all kinds of other sins too like zina etc.  I don't think they realise what shariah entails.  Adulterers get stoned to death. Stoned to fucking death!!   Lemme ask you, Observer1: would you participate in the stoning to death of an adultereress?

    Also, you say that non-Muslims will be treated as Dhimmis (i.e. third class citizens with less rights).  Would you accept if Muslims were treated in this way by the British government?  You would be the first to rant about the treatment of Muslims.

    Also, you say that the prophet was "a perfect example of mankind."
    Look!  I tend to cut Muslims a lot of slack regarding Muhammad except when they say that he was a perfect example for all mankind (and that is most Muslims, unfortunately).  You know that there are many many highly questionable things that  Muhammad did or taught (e.g. Banu Qurayza massacre, Aisha's age, Asma bint Marwan, wife beating, banditry, etc).

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #78 - April 11, 2011, 08:15 PM

    I could only find one on PubMed:

    It was published in some hippie journal btw.

    Thanks!

    There are 19 million articles there yet there is only one the said topic? Is there a way of verifying the quality of this study?

    AIM OF THE STUDY: Drinking camel urine has been used traditionally to treat numerous cases of cancer yet, the exact mechanism was not investigated. Therefore, we examined the ability of three different camel urines (virgin, lactating, and pregnant source) to modulate a well-known cancer-activating enzyme, the cytochrome P450 1a1 (Cyp1a1) in murine hepatoma Hepa 1c1c7 cell line.

    MATERIALS AND METHODS: The effect of different camel urines, compared to bovine urines, on Cyp1a1 mRNA was determined using real-time polymerase chain reaction. Cyp1a1 protein and catalytic activity levels were determined using Western blot analysis and 7-ethoxyresorufin as a substrate, respectively. The role of aryl hydrocarbon receptor (AhR)-dependent mechanism was determined using electrophoretic mobility shift assay (EMSA) and the AhR-dependent luciferase reporter gene.


    I wonder which component in urine exactly is responsible for the modulation/deactivation of Cyp1a1 and how it compares to modern drugs. I bet that its effect is in line with effect of other traditional medicines - negligible. Otherwise pharmaceutical companies would have patented the use of the active component long ago.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #79 - April 11, 2011, 08:32 PM

    Do you not feel this is a form of apartheid, singling people out for their beliefs and (echoing Prince's question) do you think we have a choice as to what we believe?


    Well an apartheid is a complete government endorsed racial segregation, with aims of besieging a people through economic and legal sanctions, to the point where a people is living in subhuman conditions. Judging by South Africa, the Warsaw ghetto and today in Gaza, i dont think its fair at all to compare the treatment of Non-Muslims under the Caliphate, to the above mentioned examples.

    Especially to the point where Muslims will be persecuted for the harsh treatment of Non-Muslims. Something not present in the above mentioned apartheid states.

    Of course there is a choice as to what an individual believes. But under the Islamic system, it would be a responsibility and duty to converse and give dawah to the Non-Muslims, not just through spiritual and philosophical means but through actual practice.

    An Example being the Jews who were being persecuted by the Christian and Byzantine empire fled to the Moorish empire for safety, to practice their belief and contribute to the society. With only a recognized status upon them being known their Non-Muslims

    ____
    Welcome to the forum, Observer1.

    I assume you are a supporter of HT (Hizb ut-Tahrir).  I had friends who were HT when I was a Muslim.  They are very quick to rant about western foreign policy and paint a very rosy picture of life under the Khilafah, yet they were far less practising and religious then me.  One guy was addicted to soaps on TV!  lol
    They probably commit all kinds of other sins too like zina etc.  I don't think they realise what shariah entails.  Adulterers get stoned to death. Stoned to fucking death!!   Lemme ask you, Observer1: would you participate in the stoning to death of an adultereress?

    Also, you say that non-Muslims will be treated as Dhimmis (i.e. third class citizens with less rights).  Would you accept if Muslims were treated in this way by the British government?  You would be the first to rant about the treatment of Muslims.

    Also, you say that the prophet was "a perfect example of mankind."
    Look!  I tend to cut Muslims a lot of slack regarding Muhammad except when they say that he was a perfect example for all mankind (and that is most Muslims, unfortunately).  You know that there are many many highly questionable things that  Muhammad did or taught (e.g. Banu Qurayza massacre, Aisha's age, Asma bint Marwan, wife beating, banditry, etc).



    I am not a member of HT, and as a matter of fact, i only really learned about them about a year or so ago.

    As for the final part of your post, im more than happy to discuss with you, but i feel ive overstayed my welcome, on this thread atleast, from people who dont seem to have understood the art of conversation

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #80 - April 11, 2011, 08:37 PM

    Quote
    people who dont seem to have understood the art of conversation evasion


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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #81 - April 11, 2011, 08:40 PM

    @arX

    Ok dude, lets just pretend those above posts from Muddy don't exist.Roll Eyes
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #82 - April 11, 2011, 08:48 PM

    @Observer1:
    What is your opinion regarding apostates?  What should happen to them Islamically?

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #83 - April 11, 2011, 08:49 PM

    ...from people who dont seem to have understood the art of conversation

    Said the guy who decided it would be a bright idea to introduce himself to CEMB by bashing Maryam Namazie.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #84 - April 11, 2011, 08:52 PM

    I could only find one on PubMed:

    It was published in some hippie journal btw.

    One more thing.

    The experiment was conducted in vitro using Western blot analysis and is by no means directly comparable to a study that would research the supposed beneficial effects of in vivo consumption of camel urine.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #85 - April 11, 2011, 08:54 PM

    Said the guy who decided it would be a bright idea to introduce himself to CEMB by bashing Maryam Namazie.


    Oh please dude,

    I came on this forum because i was shocked as to how small-minded and stereotypical she was being, almost sarcastic but was perfectly serious.

    My "concerns" are not unique, and as a matter of fact, are shared by "ex-Muslims" here on this board.  Afro

    @Observer1:
    What is your opinion regarding apostates?  What should happen to them Islamically?


    Well as far as i know, if no Caliphate, there is no Hudood (Punishment) to be carried out under the state. But Allahu Alim

    The way i see it, this is not a question of opinions on a system, but more of why choose my system over yours (or vice versa).

    As i mentioned earlier, it comes down to whether you believe in Allah (SWT) or not, and if he communicated to us or not (Through Messengers)


  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #86 - April 11, 2011, 08:57 PM

    Well an apartheid is a complete government endorsed racial segregation, with aims of besieging a people through economic and legal sanctions, to the point where a people is living in subhuman conditions.

    Not at all. Guess what - in South Africa, the official regime’s ideology was multiculturalist: apartheid is needed so that all the diverse black tribes will not get drowned into our civilization…

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #87 - April 11, 2011, 09:05 PM

    Oh please dude...

    Oh please "dude", don't even try and lecture people on the art of conversation with an intro like that.  Afro

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #88 - April 11, 2011, 09:07 PM

    ... from people who dont seem to have understood the art of conversation

    Conversation by definition includes exchange of opinions. Critique of religion in particular cannot be carried out in a 'respectful' way because genuine critique of a religion is by definition disrespectful because it encroaches on religion's sacredness and claims of absolute truth.

    So why do you keep ignoring my posts? They are genuinely not "hostile by default" - whatever that is supposed to mean. I am simply addressing what I see as issues in your posts.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #89 - April 11, 2011, 09:10 PM

    I came on this forum because i was shocked as to how small-minded and stereotypical she was being, almost sarcastic but was perfectly serious.

    Every movement (supporting freedom, civil rights, women's rights etc) has had a strong firebrand leader who could give speeches with passion.  This can sometimes be mistaken for narrow-mindedness.  Calm philosophers also exist in every movement.
    Now tell me: Wasn't your prophet narrow-minded and stereotypical towards unbelievers, in particular Jews?


    Well as far as i know, if no Caliphate, there is no Hudood (Punishment) to be carried out under the state. But Allahu Alim

    So you support the Caliphate and you admit that in a Caliphate apostates will be punished (presumably with the death penalty?).  Do you really expect people to shut up about it and not speak out against it like Maryam Namazie did?

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