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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #90 - April 11, 2011, 09:15 PM

    As i mentioned earlier, it comes down to whether you believe in Allah (SWT) or not, and if he communicated to us or not (Through Messengers)

    That is a wrong assumption to make. It also comes down to how one sees/interprets allah and how one interprets Quran.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #91 - April 11, 2011, 09:31 PM

    Oh please dude,

    I came on this forum because i was shocked as to how small-minded and stereotypical she was being, almost sarcastic but was perfectly serious.

    My "concerns" are not unique, and as a matter of fact, are shared by "ex-Muslims" here on this board.  Afro



    First of all you still have to prove that she said what she said. All we have is your word for it.

    Second of all who else here shares your concerns?

    And third of all what's up with the quotation marks on Ex-Muslims?
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #92 - April 11, 2011, 09:32 PM

    Every movement (supporting freedom, civil rights, women's rights etc) has had a strong firebrand leader who could give speeches with passion.  This can sometimes be mistaken for narrow-mindedness.  Calm philosophers also exist in every movement.
    Now tell me: Wasn't your prophet narrow-minded and stereotypical towards unbelievers, in particular Jews?

    So you support the Caliphate and you admit that in a Caliphate apostates will be punished (presumably with the death penalty?).  Do you really expect people to shut up about it and not speak out against it like Maryam Namazie did?


    Considering how many Jews back stabbed Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) on many occasions, broke many peace treaties, attempted to assasinate him on many occasions, loved his message but hated the fact that he was an Arab so plotted against him and his people, no, i wouldn't say his views were stereotypical.

    I have no problem discussing with someone who disagrees with me.

    Just as you and 'Eliphaz' have come across with no problem discussing with someone who disagrees with you i.e. Me.

    But the point about Mariam is that she point blank refused to answer any questions asked by the audience, and turned around talking about hanging in Iran and hands chopped off as a form of punishment.

    I dont consider myself a cornerstone example for debating about Religion, but i myself have dabbled in a bit of discussion with atheists, christians and jews in the past. One thing is for sure though, Mariam was not there for a discussion, she was there for a rant. Speaking out is one thing, making stereotypical jibes is another thing.

    __

    Sorry Keenan i aint ignoring you, your posts got mixed up in some of the other posts.

    As for your view on South Africa, well, i disagree. Whatever "official" view they had, what they practised was not the case, and was a blatant clamp down on Black majority, aimed at keeping the wealth and power with the White minority.

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #93 - April 11, 2011, 09:35 PM

    First of all you still have to prove that she said what she said. All we have is your word for it.

    Second of all who else here shares your concerns?

    And third of all what's up with the quotation marks on Ex-Muslims?


    First of all, you're right, you only have my word for it, But as far as i know, the Atheists society have not uploaded a recording or transcript of the event. Until then, you can believe me, or dismiss me, your choice.

    Secondly, refer to earlier posts made by other memebrs

    Thirdly, i politely put quotation marks on "ex-Muslims", as i read a thread regarding some people not liking the term and not wanting to be called by the term.



  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #94 - April 11, 2011, 09:38 PM

    First of all, you're right, you only have my word for it, But as far as i know, the Atheists society have not uploaded a recording or transcript of the event. Until then, you can believe me, or dismiss me, your choice.

    Secondly, refer to earlier posts made by other memebrs

    Thirdly, i politely put quotation marks on "ex-Muslims", as i read a thread regarding some people not liking the term and not wanting to be called by the term.






    First of all, thanks I know I am. I'm reserving judgment until further notice.

    Second of all, no I'm not trawling though the posts, kindly re-post the replies. Shouldn't take too long for you.

    Third of all lol. Right... you put quotation marks because you read a thread regarding some people not liking the term Grin Thank your benevolent consideration  Afro
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #95 - April 11, 2011, 09:39 PM

    Quote
    Considering how many Jews back stabbed Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) on many occasions, broke many peace treaties, attempted to assasinate him on many occasions, loved his message but hated the fact that he was an Arab so plotted against him and his people, no, i wouldn't say his views were stereotypical.

    1)Do you think,- whatever the deed might have been,- this can justify the terrible torture as described by the hadith here in this topic?
    2)Do you think it was perfectly just and legal that Muhammad(piss be upon him) ordered the murder of 900 men of Qurayza?
    3)Do you think it is just that Allah will torture 4/5 of humanity for ever and ever while it is clear that one's religion is pretty much fixed by what environment one happens to grow up in?
    4)Do you think the concept of kufr in the literal meaning, meaning "rejecting the truth while KNOWING it is true" does make *ANY* sense whatsoever? WHYYY would anyone stubbornly reject something while at the same time knowing that if they don't submit they will miss out Jannat? It makes ZERO sense..!!
    5)Do you really think we would apostate EVEN if we would give Islam just a miniscule probability of being true..?

    I shouldn't be here. Really. Shaytan SWT deluded ALL of us. Amen.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #96 - April 11, 2011, 09:44 PM

    As for your view on South Africa, well, i disagree. Whatever "official" view they had, what they practised was not the case, and was a blatant clamp down on Black majority, aimed at keeping the wealth and power with the White minority.

    I wasn't defending SA apartheid but simply showing how official narrative of an ideological position usually starkly differs from the social reality of the said ideology. You know - if only apartheid/Islam/Democracy/Communism was to be practiced in the right way everything would be OK ... type of reasoning.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #97 - April 11, 2011, 10:18 PM

    lets just pretend those above posts from Muddy don't exist.Roll Eyes

    Just like you want to pretend that no human being was ever tortured by mohammad by means of hands and legs chopped and eyes branded with hot iron..

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #98 - April 11, 2011, 10:59 PM

    First of all, thanks I know I am. I'm reserving judgment until further notice.

    Second of all, no I'm not trawling though the posts, kindly re-post the replies. Shouldn't take too long for you.

    Third of all lol. Right... you put quotation marks because you read a thread regarding some people not liking the term Grin Thank your benevolent consideration  Afro


    Firstly, that would be a first here, but i think that ship has already sailed.
    Secondly, this was an introduction thread, so no thanks, ill pass. You're obviously more interested than i am, so feel free to look it up yourself
    Thirdly, You're welcome

    @Kenan - Well Democracy and Communism are prime examples where very few (i.e. the Elite) benefited from the suffering and expense of others.

    During the height of the Caliphate, that was not the case, where it came to a point nobody was eligible for Zakat (Charity), technology, philosophy and sciences reached new heights (much of which is still applied today).

    Muddy, rather than being blinded by your hatred and bitterness, try actually reading what i said. I never denied the Hadith. You still have failed to grasp the concept of Hadith.

    If you really want to have a convo, try Eliphaz or ateapots technique and stop frothing at the mouth  Afro
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #99 - April 11, 2011, 11:03 PM

    Considering how many Jews back stabbed Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) on many occasions, broke many peace treaties, attempted to assasinate him on many occasions, loved his message but hated the fact that he was an Arab so plotted against him and his people, no, i wouldn't say his views were stereotypical.




     Grin

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #100 - April 11, 2011, 11:05 PM

    @Kenan - Well Democracy and Communism are prime examples where very few (i.e. the Elite) benefited from the suffering and expense of others.

    During the height of the Caliphate, that was not the case, where it came to a point nobody was eligible for Zakat (Charity), technology, philosophy and sciences reached new heights (much of which is still applied today).


    This post is so full of fail I don't know where to start.

    fuck you
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #101 - April 11, 2011, 11:07 PM


    @Kenan - Well Democracy and Communism are prime examples where very few (i.e. the Elite) benefited from the suffering and expense of others.

    During the height of the Caliphate, that was not the case, where it came to a point nobody was eligible for Zakat (Charity), technology, philosophy and sciences reached new heights (much of which is still applied today).


    Fantasies of an Arab Imperialist who idol worships a warlord called Mohammad from the stone age.

    Your representation of democracy is also intellectually illiterate, although cast in the shadow of Mohammad fantasy, this is what literalist devotion to the preposerous delusions of Islam lead a man to.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #102 - April 11, 2011, 11:09 PM

    This post is so full of fail I don't know where to start.


    Judging how you have 9097 posts of pure rhetoric and a style of someone with an inferior complex. I'm sure you'll find a way to say something to comfort yourself

    And to add.. What is it with this forum and it's obsession with old internet memes?
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #103 - April 11, 2011, 11:10 PM

    Heh, my Jedi powers tell me you've been here before.

    fuck you
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #104 - April 11, 2011, 11:16 PM

    @BlackDog :.....so feel free to look it up yourself  Grin    Afro
     
    @Kenan - Well Democracy and Communism ....
    Quote
    During the height of the Caliphate, that was not the case, where it came to a point nobody was eligible for Zakat (Charity), technology, philosophy and sciences reached new heights (much of which is still applied today).


    @Muddy:  rather than being blinded by your hatred ....

    try Eliphaz or ateapots technique and stop frothing at the mouth  Afro

    Shut up Dog, you are balck and  stop  Grining and     Afroing   frothing  around  the mouth .. be like Eliphaz or ateapots  icon_blahblah

    Don't worry about all these guys Observer1., So did you write this ??
    Quote
    Considering how many Jews back stabbed Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) on many occasions, broke many peace treaties, attempted to assasinate him on many occasions, loved his message but hated the fact that he was an Arab so plotted against him and his people, no, i wouldn't say his views were stereotypical.

     Afro

    Bloody juice..
    Quote
    “The Jews and the Christians will never be pleased with you until you follow their religion (way).” [Surah Al-Baqarah: 120]

    “You will surely find that the people with the most enmity towards the believers are the Jews and the polytheists.”
    [Surah Al-Maa’idah: 82]
     
     “You will indeed fight against the Jews and you will kill them to the point where the rock and the tree will say: ‘O Muslim! O ‘Abdullaah (slave of Allaah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him.’ Except for al-Gharqad for it is from the trees of the Jews.”  ..The Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said that  


     These infidels and apostates have all stereotypical views of Islam. You got to educate these guys Observer1..

    And welcome to CEMB..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #105 - April 11, 2011, 11:16 PM

    A personal familiarity is detected  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #106 - April 11, 2011, 11:39 PM

    A more informative line of questions would be, why are there ex Muslims?  Why would someone chose to be an ex Muslim? What reasons could they have to be ex Muslims?

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #107 - April 12, 2011, 12:17 AM

    A personal familiarity is detected  Afro


    You know, i dont mind most approaches, so long as there is a direction, where both parties can reach a conclusion as to what is the best point of view to debate the said topic.

    But its quite strange that so many people would rush into a thread that someone made to simply introduce themselves, insult the guy, ask 101 questions expecting a specific answer, if not, insult the guy some more.

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #108 - April 12, 2011, 12:51 AM

    The forum isn't associated with the organization CEMB or with Mariam explicitly. This isn't the organization's forum so to speak, its one made on its own. 

    Well it is, but the forum is mostly run autonomously. The CEMB pays for the hosting costs but doesn't really get involved in the actual running of the forum.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #109 - April 12, 2011, 01:17 AM

    sweet 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #110 - April 12, 2011, 01:22 AM

    As soon as I pay my summer tuition fees I need to send a donation. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #111 - April 12, 2011, 02:10 AM

    Muddy, rather than being blinded by your hatred and bitterness, try actually reading what i said. I never denied the Hadith. You still have failed to grasp the concept of Hadith.

    So you think that the punishment was just? What the hell did they do to diserve that? Seriously, even if someone kill my own child with a lot of torture, I would never do this kind of torture to him ever in my life, and the supposed role model to mankind loves so much torture? Seriously, HE IS NOT THE MESSENGER OF GOD! He was a power thirsty monster!

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #112 - April 12, 2011, 03:37 AM

    Honestly I think these debates are kind of pointless. You are effectively discussing the teachings of a non-existent being. Provide proof of your god and then we'll discuss 'gods word'.

    Observer1 please watch this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo&feature=channel_video_title
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #113 - April 12, 2011, 06:33 AM

    Judging how you have 9097 posts of pure rhetoric and a style of someone with an inferior complex. I'm sure you'll find a way to say something to comfort yourself

    And to add.. What is it with this forum and it's obsession with old internet memes?


    Grin This guy.
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #114 - April 12, 2011, 01:34 PM


    Of course there is a choice as to what an individual believes.


    No it isn't. Can you choose to believe the keyboard you're typing with doesn't exist? Can you choose to believe flying pigs exist?

    (BTW, do you go to Bradford Uni?)
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #115 - April 12, 2011, 03:12 PM

    He forgot to mention how the caliphate treated its "Mawalis".

  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #116 - April 12, 2011, 07:15 PM

    It's becoming apparent this forum has no space for discussion, but is more of a place where "ex-Muslims" can gather to comfort each other through hatred.

    If there was ever a stereotyping of the year award, i'd nominate this place as first place Afro
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #117 - April 12, 2011, 07:20 PM

    What hatred? Were you ever censored or threatened or what; like it practically always happens on Islamic forums when they are faced with dissenting opinion?

    What's the problem exactly? We had a discussion didn't we? You voiced your opinion, people responded, that's how it usually works doesn't it?
  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #118 - April 12, 2011, 07:24 PM

    Exactly what kenan mentioned..

    I been to Ummah and sunniforum, and I got banned within few days. No one here is banning you.

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  • Re: Hey People
     Reply #119 - April 12, 2011, 07:24 PM

    Kenan, please dont ignore what Some of the members have said above the blatant insults from Muddy and  MnfqKfrMrtd.

    You call that a discussion?

    __

    And Muddy, you're going to base the Religion of some hand picked Hadith ? You're going to judge an entire system, that has proven to work, that teaches forgiveness whilst clamping down on criminals through the analysing of <0.01% of Islam ?



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