"Homosexuality is Not Natural"

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"Homosexuality is Not Natural"
OP - April 18, 2011, 05:21 PM

Quote from: Pashtun on April 15, 2011, 07:06 AM
To be honest, Homosexuality is not Natural. Animals have been found to eat eachother, does that mean we should do the same, Animals have been found to produce poison, does that mean we can?. Would I oppose Homosexuality, No I would not, however in my own view, its not natural, sticking your penis into a mans anus, is not productive and is baseless.

I support gay rights and their right to be gay, but no Thanks, I dont fall for that "gays are natural" non-sense or that " gay gene" jibberish.

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Ps I like quite admire gays, especially D and G etc.

But just in case you are...

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Re: "Homosexuality is Not Natural"
Reply #1 - April 18, 2011, 05:22 PM

List of mammals displaying homosexual behaviour

This list includes mammals for which there is documented evidence of homosexual or transgender behaviour of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting:

Giraffes in Kenya; giraffes have been called "especially gay" for often engaging in same-sex sexual behavior more than male-female (heterosexual) sex.

Male bonnet macaques, similar to the youthful ones pictured, "give each other hand-jobs and sometimes eat the resulting semen" although using "hand-job" can be seen as overly anthropomorphic.

Kobus kob (Uganda Kob)."Female kob perform oral sex on each other and even stroke each other's vulvas with their forelegs. They may exhibit urolagnia during sex, one female will urinate while the other sticks her nose in the stream."

"Elevated levels of testosterone in utero" increases aggressiveness and both male and female spotted hyenas mount submissive same-sex members who likely have lower levels of testosterone from their mothers.

In "slip-and-slide" orgies, groups of male grey whales, one of the oldest species of mammals, roll in the ocean rubbing their bellies against each other so that their genitals are touching.

African Buffalo
African Elephant
Agile Wallaby
Amazon River Dolphin(Boto)
American Bison
Antelope
Asian Elephant
Asiatic Lion
Asiatic Mouflon
Atlantic Spotted Dolphin
Australian Sea Lion
Barasingha
Barbary Sheep
Beluga
Bharal
Bighorn Sheep
Black Bear
Blackbuck
Black-footed Rock Wallaby
Black-tailed Deer
Bonnet Macaque
Bonobo
Bottlenose Dolphin
Bowhead Whale
Brazilian Guinea Pig
Bridled Dolphin
Brown Bear
Brown Capuchin
Brown Long-eared Bat
Brown Rat
Buffalo
Caribou
Cat (domestic)
Cattle (domestic)
Cheetah
Collared Peccary
Commerson's Dolphin
Common Brushtail Possum
Common Chimpanzee
Common Dolphin
Common Marmoset
Common Pipistrelle
Common Raccoon
Common Tree Shrew
Cotton-top Tamarin
Crab-eating Macaque
Crested Black Macaque
Dall's Sheep
Daubenton's Bat
Dog (domestic)
Doria's Tree Kangaroo
Dugong
Dwarf Cavy
Dwarf Mongoose
Eastern Cottontail Rabbit
Eastern Grey Kangaroo
Elk
Euro (a subspecies of wallaroo)
European Bison
Fallow Deer
False Killer Whale
Fat-tailed Dunnart
Fin Whale
Fox
Gazelle
Gelada Baboon
Giraffe
Goat (Domestic)
Golden Monkey Gorilla
Grant's Gazelle
Grey-headed Flying Fox
Grey Seal
Grey squirrel
Grey Whale
Grey Wolf
Grizzly Bear
Guinea Pig (Domestic)
Hamadryas Baboon
Hamster (Domestic)
Hanuman Langur
Harbor Porpoise
Harbor Seal
Himalayan Tahr
Hoary Marmot
Horse (domestic)
Human
Indian Fruit Bat
Indian Muntjac
Indian Rhinoceros
Japanese Macaque
Javelina
Kangaroo Rat
Killer Whale
Koala
Kob
Larga Seal
Least Chipmunk
Lechwe
Lesser Bushbaby
Lion
Lion-tailed Macaque
Lion Tamarin
Little Brown Bat
Livingstone's Fruit Bat
Long-eared Hedgehog
Long-footed Tree Shrew
Macaque
Markhor
Marten
Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
Moco
Mohol Galago
Moor Macaque
Moose
Mountain Goat
Mountain Tree Shrew
Mountain Zebra
Mouse (domestic)
Moustached Tamarin
Mule Deer
Musk-ox
Natterer's Bat
New Zealand Sea Lion
Nilgiri Langur
Noctule
North American Porcupine
Northern Elephant Seal
Northern Fur Seal
Northern Quoll
Olympic Marmot
Orangutan
Pacific Striped Dolphin
Patas Monkey
Pere David's Deer
Pig (Domestic)
Pig-tailed Macaque
Plains Zebra
Polar Bear
Pretty-faced Wallaby
Proboscis Monkey
Pronghorn
Przewalski's Horse
Puku
Quokka
Rabbit
Raccoon Dog
Red Deer
Red Fox
Red Kangaroo
Red-necked Wallaby
Red Squirrel
Reeves's Muntjac
Reindeer
Rhesus Macaque
Right Whale
Rock Cavy
Rodrigues Fruit Bat
Roe Deer
Rufous Bettong
Rufous-naped Tamarin
Rufous Rat Kangaroo
Saddle-back Tamarin
Savanna Baboon
Sea Otter
Serotine Bat
Sheep (Domestic)
Siamang
Sika Deer
Slender Tree Shrew
Sooty Mangabey
Sperm Whale
Spinifex Hopping Mouse
Spinner Dolphin
Spotted Hyena
Spotted Seal
Squirrel Monkey
Striped Dolphin
Stuart's Marsupial Mouse
Stumptail Macaque
Swamp Deer
Swamp Wallaby
Takhi
Talapoin
Tammar Wallaby
Tasmanian Devil
Tasmanian Rat Kangaroo
Thinhorn Sheep
Thomson's Gazelle
Tiger
Tonkean Macaque
Tucuxi
Urial
Vampire Bat
Verreaux's Sifaka
Vervet
Vicuna
Walrus
Wapiti
Warthog
Waterbuck
Water Buffalo
Weeper Capuchin
Western Grey Kangaroo
West Indian Manatee
Whiptail Wallaby
White-faced Capuchin
White-fronted Capuchin
White-handed Gibbon
White-lipped Peccary
White-tailed Deer
Wild Cavy
Wild Goat
Wisent
Yellow-footed Rock Wallaby
Yellow-toothed Cavy

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Re: "Homosexuality is Not Natural"
Reply #2 - April 18, 2011, 05:25 PM

"To be honest, Homosexuality is not Natural. Animals have been found to eat eachother, does that mean we should do the same"

What comes to mind is the fact that this is the man saying eating animals is natural because...Lions and other such animals in the wild eat other animals.

Also, other animals eat other animals, and we do the same.

All just stupid reasoning really.

Furthermore, there is actually a purpose, even in evolution and the propagation of the species...for homosexual behaviour and why that wouldn't necessarily lead to the downfall of a species when the numbers are so few.

The world is full of stupidity

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Re: "Homosexuality is Not Natural"
Reply #3 - April 18, 2011, 05:27 PM

List of birds displaying homosexual behavior

This list includes birds for which there is documented evidence of homosexual or transgender behaviour of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting:

Chilean flamingoes eating, drinking, and preening in St. Petersburg, Florida; flamingos (as well as penguins and other species) sometimes form committed same-sex relationships that can involve sex, traveling and living together, and raising young together.

Two New York Central Park Zoo's male chinstrap penguins, similar to those pictured, became internationally known when they became a couple and were given an egg that needed hatching and care, which they successfully did.

Male Guianan Cock-of-the-rock, distributed in the mountainous regions of Guyana, eastern Colombia, southern Venezuela, Suriname, French Guiana and northern Amazonian Brazil, "delight in homosexuality" with almost 40 percent engaging in a form of homosexual activity and a small percentage never copulating with females.

The Black Swan, Cygnus atratus is a large waterbird which breeds mainly in the southeast and southwest regions of Australia. An estimated one-quarter of all black swans pairings are homosexual and they steal nests, or form temporary threesomes with females to obtain eggs, driving away the female after she lays the eggs.

Acorn Woodpecker
Adelie Penguin
Alex Burredexty
American Flamingo
American Herring Gull
Anna's Hummingbird
Australian Shelduck
Aztec Parakeet
Bengalese Finch (Domestic)
Bank Swallow
Barn Owl
Bicolored Antbird
Black-billed Magpie
Black-crowned Night Heron
Black-headed Gull
Black-rumped Flameback
Black Stilt
Black Swan
Black-winged Stilt
Blue-backed Manakin
Blue-bellied Roller
Blue Tit
Blue-winged Teal
Brown-headed Cowbird
Budgerigar (Domestic)
Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Calfbird
California Gull
Canada Goose
Canary-winged Parakeet
Caspian Tern
Cattle Egret
Chaffinch
Chicken (Domestic)
Chilean Flamingo
Chiloe Wigeon
Chinstrap Penguin
Cliff Swallow
Common Gull
Common Murre
Common Shelduck
Crane spp.
Dusky Moorhen
Eastern Bluebird
Egyptian Goose
Elegant Parrot
Emu
Eurasian Oystercatcher
European Jay
European Shag
Galah
Gentoo Penguin
Golden Bishop Bird
Golden Plover
Gray-breasted Jay
Gray-capped Social Weaver
Gray Heron
Great Cormorant
Greater Bird of Paradise
Greater Flamingo
Greater Rhea
Green Sandpiper
Greenshank
Greylag Goose
Griffon Vulture
Guianan Cock-of-the-Rock
Guillemot
Hammerhead (also known as Hammerkop)
Herring Gull
Hoary-headed Grebe
Hooded Warbler
House Sparrow
Humboldt Penguin
Ivory Gull
Jackdaw
Kestrel
King Penguin
Kittiwake
Laughing Gull
Laysan Albatross
Lesser Flamingo
Lesser Scaup Duck
Little Blue Heron
Little Egret
Long-tailed Hermit Hummingbird
Lory spp.
Mallard
Masked Lovebird
Mealy Amazon Parrot
Mew Gull
Mexican Jay
Musk Duck
Mute Swan
Ocellated Antbird
Ocher-bellied Flycatcher
Orange Bishop Bird
Orange-fronted Parakeet
Ornate Lorikeet
Ostrich
Peach-faced Lovebird
Pied Flycatcher
Pied Kingfisher
Pigeon (Domestic)
Powerful Owl
Purple Swamphen
Raggiana's Bird of Paradise
Raven
Razorbill
Red-backed Shrike
Red Bishop Bird
Red-faced Lovebird
Redshank
Red-shouldered Widowbird
Regent Bowerbird
Ring-billed Gull
Ring Dove
Rock Dove
Roseate Tern
Rose-ringed Parakeet
Ruff
Ruffed Grouse
Sage Grouse
San Blas Jay
Sand Martin
Satin Bowerbird
Scarlet Ibis
Scottish Crossbill
Senegal Parrot
Sharp-tailed Sparrow
Silver Gull
Silvery Grebe
Snow Goose
Steller's Sea Eagle
Superb Lyrebird
Swallow-tailed Manakin
Tasmanian Native Hen
Tree Swallow
Trumpeter Swan
Turkey (Domestic)
Victoria's Riflebird
Wattled Starling
Western Gull
White-fronted Amazon Parrot
White Stork
Wood Duck
Yellow-backed Lorikeet
Yellow-rumped Cacique
Zebra Finch (Domestic)

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Re: "Homosexuality is Not Natural"
Reply #4 - April 18, 2011, 05:29 PM

I think it's worth pointing out that although most same-sex relations are witnessed with bisexual animals (I think)... exclusively homosexual individuals aren't uncommon.
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Reply #5 - April 18, 2011, 05:29 PM

Fish displaying homosexual behaviour

Arctic Grayling (Thymallus arcticus). Research going back to the 1950s has shown both male and female Graylings exhibit homosexual behavior.

Amazon molly
Blackstripe topminnow
Bluegill Sunfish
Char
Grayling
European Bitterling
Green swordtail
Guiana leaffish
Houting Whitefish
Jewel Fish
Least Darter (Microperca punctulata)
Mouthbreeding Fish sp.
Salmon spp.
Southern platyfish
Ten-spined stickleback
Three-spined stickleback

Reptiles displaying homosexual behaviour

Anole sp.
Bearded Dragon
Broad-headed Skink
Checkered Whiptail Lizard
Chihuahuan Spotted Whiptail Lizard
Common Ameiva
Common Garter Snake
Cuban Green Anole
Desert Grassland Whiptail Lizard
Desert Tortoise
Fence Lizard
Five-lined Skink
Gopher (Pine) Snake
Green Anole
Inagua Curlytail Lizard
Jamaican Giant Anole
Laredo Striped Whiptail Lizard
Largehead Anole
Mourning Gecko
Plateau Striped Whiptail Lizard
Red Diamond Rattlesnake
Red-tailed Skink
Side-blotched Lizard
Speckled Rattlesnake
Water Moccasin
Western rattlesnake (Crotalus viridis)
Western Banded Gecko
Whiptail Lizard spp.
Wood Turtle

Amphibians displaying homosexual behaviour

Appalachian Woodland Salamander
Black-spotted Frog
Mountain Dusky Salamander
Tengger Desert Toad

Insects and other invertebrates displaying homosexual behaviour

Acanthocephalan Worms
Alfalfa Weevil
Australian Parasitic Wasp sp.
Bean weevil sp.
Bedbug and other Bug spp.
Blister Beetle spp.
Blood-flukes (Schistosoma)
Blowfly
Box Crab
Broadwinged Damselfly sp.
Cabbage (Small) White (Butterfly)
Checkerspot Butterfly
Clubtail Dragonfly spp.
Cockroach spp.
Common Skimmer Dragonfly spp.
Creeping Water Bug sp.
Cutworm
Digger Bee
Dragonfly spp.
Eastern Giant Ichneumon (wasp)
Eucalyptus Longhorned Borer
Field cricket sp.
Flour beetle
Fruit Fly spp.
Glasswing Butterfly
Grape Berry Moth
Grape Borer
Green Lacewing
Harvest Spider sp.
Hawaiian Orb-Weaver (spider)
Hen Flea
House Fly
Ichneumon wasp sp.
Incirrate Octopus spp.
Japanese Scarab Beetle
Jumping spider sp.
Larch Bud Moth
Large Milkweed Bug
Large White (Pieris brassicae)
Long-legged Fly spp.
Mazarine Blue
Mediterranean Fruit Fly
Mexican White
Midge sp.
Migratory locust
Mite sp.
Monarch Butterfly
Narrow-winged Damselfly spp.
Parsnip Leaf Miner
Pomace fly
Queen Butterfly
Red Ant sp.
Red Flour Beetle
Reindeer Warble Fly (Hypoderma tarandi)
Rose Chafer
Rove Beetle spp.
Scarab Beetle (Melolonthine)
Screwworm Fly
Silkworm Moth
Sociable Weaver
Southeastern Blueberry Bee
Southern Green Stink Bug
Southern Masked Chafer
Southern One-Year Canegrub
Spreadwinged Damselfly spp.
Spruce Budworm Moth
Stable Fly sp.
Stag Beetle spp.
Tsetse Fly
Water Boatman Bug
Water Strider spp.

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Re: "Homosexuality is Not Natural"
Reply #6 - April 18, 2011, 05:49 PM

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Reply #7 - April 18, 2011, 05:53 PM

That story about the two gay penguins raising an egg is really cute.

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Reply #8 - April 18, 2011, 05:55 PM

Homosexuality may be uncommon but you know what is really unnatural? Creatures made out of smokeless fire and light.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #9 - April 18, 2011, 06:01 PM

I’m not sure how naturally widespread a natural phenomenon has to be in the natural world in order for it to be considered ‘natural’. But it's quite clear that sex and companionship in the animal kingdom isn’t always about reproduction.

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Reply #10 - April 18, 2011, 06:04 PM

Homosexuality seems to be evolutions awnser to overpopulation. At least thats what i read some time back. Not sure if it is truw thou.

Nevertheless, i think gays are awesome!

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Reply #11 - April 18, 2011, 06:08 PM

Quote from: deusvult on April 18, 2011, 05:55 PM
Homosexuality may be uncommon but you know what is really unnatural? Creatures made out of smokeless fire and light.

I liked a quote by muddy recently. -> "Homosexuality has been found in more than 450 species.. But Homophobia just in one. Which one is unnatural now?"

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Reply #12 - April 18, 2011, 06:13 PM

Quote from: Ishina on April 18, 2011, 05:27 PM
List of birds displaying homosexual behavior

This list includes birds for which there is documented evidence of homosexual or transgender behaviour of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting:

(Clicky for piccy!)
Chilean flamingoes eating, drinking, and preening in St. Petersburg, Florida; flamingos (as well as penguins and other species) sometimes form committed same-sex relationships that can involve sex, traveling and living together, and raising young together.

Oh come on, ishina, I expected better of you than this kind of crude stereotyping.

Just because flamingos are pink does not mean they are "displaying homosexual behavior"

I suppose, according to you, these birds are also "displaying homosexual behavior"

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Re: "Homosexuality is Not Natural"
Reply #13 - April 18, 2011, 06:15 PM

Excerpt from Super sexy snails
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/082snail_dart/

But is this whole concept of hermaphroditism sticking in your craw?
Any fan of horse breeding or soap operas knows that the sexes are
designed to mix genes. If hermaphroditism is so useful, how come
they're as rare on the Young and the Restless as infants themselves?

Call it ambi-sexterous
Time for a good word for the evolutionary benefits of switch-hitting.
Plants routinely play both roles, says Chase. Among animals, it's less
common, although 40 percent of 5,600 genera of molluscs are
hermaphrodites -- including all land-dwelling molluscs.

Snails, you'll recall, move along at a snail's pace, and slugs are a
bit sluggish. And if you were a slow-moving member of a rare snail
species, you might never meet a mate (remember, biologically, for
a guy, being marooned with a bunch of he-men equals a life without
offspring -- literally a fate worse than death). If you were colonizing
new terrain, it would certainly help if you could mate with any adult
of your species, not just half of them.

The ultimate ability in these situations would be one that some
hermaphrodites actually have -- to fertilize yourself. That might
seem rather devoid of pleasure, but it's all in a day's work in
the sexual life of snails.

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Reply #14 - April 18, 2011, 06:28 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on April 18, 2011, 06:13 PM
Just because flamingos are pink does not mean they are "displaying homosexual behavior"

LOL!

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Reply #15 - April 18, 2011, 06:30 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on April 18, 2011, 06:13 PM
Oh come on, ishina, I expected better of you than this kind of crude stereotyping.

Fohawks as well. I know they look gay Ishina but it doesn't mean they are gay. Come on now.

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Reply #16 - April 18, 2011, 06:35 PM

That bird is like the Prince of the animal kingdom.
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Reply #17 - April 18, 2011, 06:43 PM

I like the idea of gay bedbugs.

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Reply #18 - April 18, 2011, 07:13 PM

Quote from: DigDeep on April 18, 2011, 06:04 PM
Homosexuality seems to be evolutions awnser to overpopulation. At least thats what i read some time back. Not sure if it is truw thou.

Sounds dubious. Source? I've never heard that seriously proposed as a mechanism behind HS before.
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Reply #19 - April 18, 2011, 07:24 PM

Quote from: deusvult on April 18, 2011, 05:55 PM
Homosexuality may be uncommon but you know what is really unnatural? Creatures made out of smokeless fire and light.

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Reply #20 - April 18, 2011, 09:24 PM

Anything which occurs naturally is natrural. The question is whether some people have homosexual urges because they are born that way, or they choose to be homosexuals.

I don't believe that people choose to be gay. If they are gay because that's the way they are born. Therefore my conclusion is that homosexuality is natural.

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Reply #21 - April 18, 2011, 09:28 PM

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Reply #22 - April 18, 2011, 09:30 PM

Sorry to disappoint you Bison. I acquired this wisdom from the likes of you. This is a compliment, so relish it. Usually I don't hand out compliments that easily.

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Reply #23 - April 18, 2011, 09:38 PM

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Reply #24 - April 18, 2011, 09:39 PM

His name is Anal Ram. Please be respectful and address him properly.

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Reply #25 - April 18, 2011, 09:41 PM

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Reply #26 - April 18, 2011, 09:43 PM

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Reply #27 - April 18, 2011, 10:50 PM

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Reply #28 - April 18, 2011, 10:51 PM

Caring what everyone else is doing consensually, who they are doing it to, how they are doing, where they are doing it, how many household appliances they are using, what type of camera they are filming it with and how many positions they are doing it in is unnatural.

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Reply #29 - April 18, 2011, 11:39 PM

Quote from: canex on April 18, 2011, 06:08 PM

I liked a quote by muddy recently. -> "Homosexuality has been found in more than 450 species.. But Homophobia just in one. Which one is unnatural now?"

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