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Reply #240 - May 04, 2011, 05:01 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on May 04, 2011, 04:11 PM
our military members ARE the US people There is also an org
called Veterans for Peace.

http://veteransforpeace.org/about_vfp.vp.html

So are paedos, gangsters and dealers. I don't have a problem with the average american, lets face it most don't have a clue with what goes on in the world. And yes I'm aware of that organisation, just another of many calling for an end to American aggression
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Reply #241 - May 04, 2011, 05:04 PM

Aphrodite, are you still a supporter of the Pakistani army? I remember you saying once that you followed them blindly and supported them because what they do is for the good of Pakistan. If not, what made you change your view? Just curious.

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Reply #242 - May 04, 2011, 05:23 PM

I'm not a pacifist. My view on the miltary is that they are a nessecary 'evil'. However, military bodies should be held accountable and their 'evil' should be moderated and scrutinised. Is that a view you have come to? Or are you a total pacifist now? Or do you still invest all faith in the Pakistani army?

There's nothing wrong if you are. I'm just trying to clarify if your viewpoint has changed. I feel contradicted on a subject like this too, if that means anything to you.

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Reply #243 - May 04, 2011, 05:30 PM

Billy. I feel that way too. If you would like to further understand the
many gray lines and paradoxes of war, I HIGHLY recommend a movie
based on true events, called, "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence"

Oh, breaking news, NO pics of osama will be released, e1 can thank
daddy obama for that lol

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Reply #244 - May 04, 2011, 05:32 PM

Quote from: Mount A Bison on May 04, 2011, 02:19 PM
The White House you might observe had you not been dropped on your head by your mother is rather quite fond of Islamic law when it plays to its advantage as in the recent payment of blood money to spring a CIA operative out of jail held on trial in Pakistan for double murder. Very handy this Shariah business.

The Taliban’s compliance with extradition warrants says nothing about their internal political character. The Saudis are no less of a theocratic state, but they comply with the US war on terror. As do the Pakistanis, the Egyptians and all the rogue states of the ME for their own political ends. The Taliban was warmly received by the Clinton White House as a regional business ally too. There is no fundamental conflict between Freedom’s Land and Islamic states if only because in the case of the House of Saud and the Taliban America backed them. Uncle Sam made bin Laden; he’s now unmade him. No triumph this. Just a costly blunder.

You almost mentioned the oil pipeline though usually the " the us paid them millions of dollars before" gets mentioned at the end as well. is that the only time that the subject of Bin Laden was broached with the Taliban? If it wasn't what were the previous responses and why?

I care little for their religiously but to high light the caprious nature of the oaf g w bush. Here were model international citizens willing to hand over Osama Bin Laden or put him on trial and all they required was evidence but Bush cast aside their rational responses to satisfy his blood lust. We would expect nothing less from the brutish Americans.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #245 - May 04, 2011, 05:50 PM

Aphrodite... I was mainly referring to your comment,
"Same shit different stink" comment.

You see, when you say that about my brothers and sisters in
arms, you are saying that about me, as well. We have a
commradity that transcends any other, whether active,
or retired.

Also, note that the navy seals were NOT, I repeat, WERE NOT told
what their mission was. This is the NORM!!! It could have been
a drug gangster for all they knew. The same happened with the
crew of the enola gay (that bombed Japan). they had no clue what
their mission was until they were on top of it.

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Reply #246 - May 04, 2011, 06:02 PM

Quote from: billy on May 04, 2011, 05:23 PM
I'm not a pacifist. My view on the miltary is that they are a nessecary 'evil'. However, military bodies should be held accountable and their 'evil' should be moderated and scrutinised. Is that a view you have come to? Or are you a total pacifist now? Or do you still invest all faith in the Pakistani army?

There's nothing wrong if you are. I'm just trying to clarify if your viewpoint has changed. I feel contradicted on a subject like this too, if that means anything to you.

Nah I'm not a total pacifist, sometimes violence is necessary. I don't have as much faith in the army as I once did. I've come to realise their actions are partly responsible for the mess in S. Asia today and yes I do believe the military should be held responsible for its actions but not by a civilian govt. made up of corrupt politicians. If peace was to come in the region I think Pakistan would go in the way of Egypt not totally secular but not as idiotic as it is today. But that is wishful thinking Part of me thinks the creation of Pakistan was a mistake...... :/ But its a reality that we have to live with.

One thing is for sure, the war next door is seriously destabilising Pakistan, a nuclear armed country with a bigger population than Russia. We've already seen splits within the politicians and ISI (the whole Osama thing might be another example of that) it could get worse if army general turn on each other coz there are both secularists and Islamists in the army. The secularists only have links to certain groups because of "national interests"whilst the Islamists believe in the ummah crap--thankfully Gen. Kayani and Musharaff were the latter. Imagine another Gen. Zia today
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Reply #247 - May 04, 2011, 06:06 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on May 04, 2011, 05:50 PM
Aphrodite... I was mainly referring to your comment,
"Same shit different stink" comment.

You see, when you say that about my brothers and sisters in
arms, you are saying that about me, as well. We have a
commradity that transcends any other, whether active,
or retired.

Also, note that the navy seals were NOT, I repeat, WERE NOT told
what their mission was. This is the NORM!!! It could have been
a drug gangster for all they knew. The same happened with the
crew of the enola gay (that bombed Japan). they had no clue what
their mission was until they were on top of it.

I didn't mean that personally towards them. I meant their titles, my uncle frequently tries to explain the different regiments and stuff in the pak army and I reply with the same phrase in urdu
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Reply #248 - May 04, 2011, 06:11 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on May 04, 2011, 06:06 PM
I didn't mean that personally towards them. I meant their titles, my uncle frequently tries to explain the different regiments and stuff in the pak army and I reply with the same phrase in urdu

Aphrodite and I would have been more happy., if Pakistan Army would have killed Osama instead of Americans............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpGYyv_UlKg
that guy lied............. Osama was a CASH COW for Pakistan army..

that juice is lucky to be alive...............

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Reply #249 - May 04, 2011, 06:18 PM

No, they should have taken him into custody and given him a fair trial. Lol they're all a bunch of lying bhenchod
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Reply #250 - May 04, 2011, 06:21 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on May 04, 2011, 06:18 PM
No, they should have taken him into custody and given him a fair trial. Lol they're all a bunch of lying bhenchod

In a perfect world maybe, but we don't live in one of those. Where, in America, or even on the planet, do you think you could find an untainted jury of 12 to try Bin Laden?

Anyway, who gives a shit about him, he's no loss to the world.

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Reply #251 - May 04, 2011, 06:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnlUaP9lKzM

Quote from: Aphroditeyeezevee on May 04, 2011, 06:18 PM
Lol they're all a bunch of lying bhenchod in fact they sell their mothers for AMERICAN Dollar

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Reply #252 - May 04, 2011, 06:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ogH_xdeOwI

look at that., how things change with in few days.....

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Reply #253 - May 04, 2011, 06:41 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on May 04, 2011, 06:18 PM
No, they should have taken him into custody and given him a fair trial. Lol they're all a bunch of lying bhenchod

Cool idea.

Guess who would get the blame for not executing the fucker on the spot every time a bunch of dumb terrorists take a class of preschooler hostages demanding the release of bin Laden, and then kill the kids when their demands are not met.
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Reply #254 - May 04, 2011, 06:58 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on May 02, 2011, 04:12 AM
I wonder how much Pakistan was involved with sheltering him, I mean a mansion on the outskirts of Islamabad? WTF?!

It is the ISI who put Osama bin Laden in the compound so close to the army academy and only one hours drive from the capital because they believed that nobody will think that the Pakistani spy agency would be that stupid. They proved to be too clever for their own good.

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Reply #255 - May 04, 2011, 07:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS87ABCLsUw&feature=fvst

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apbbf--KNy0

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That is Khalid Khawaja (1954–2010) was a former Air Force officer, and the former Air Force's intelligence officer of the Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency. A former member of Special Service Wing (SSW) and a vetern of Soviet war in Afghanistan, Khawaja described himself as a close associate of Osama bin Laden in the early days of the Afghan resistance against the Soviet Union. He was once suspected of being involved in the murder of American reporter Daniel Pearl. He was found dead in Miranshah on April 30, 2010 – a month after being kidnapped by a group calling themselves the "Asian Tigers", while filming a documentary about Colonel Imam. Imam, British journalist Asad Qureshi and Qureshi's driver Rustam Khan were also kidnapped with Khawaja. Qureshi and Khan were released in September 2010. Imam was killed in January 2011.

He knew where Osama was living in Pakistan and he was with ISI and Govt of Pakistan all the time..... It is impossible that people like Musharraf who was ruling Pakistan until 2008 didn't know where Osama was living..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5U8mBLlTU

That is teh Last Video.....

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Reply #256 - May 04, 2011, 07:21 PM

knew this was coming....

Native Americans object to ‘hero’ Geronimo as code for ‘terrorist’ bin Laden
Wednesday, May 04, 2011 5:27:34 AM

Native Americans object to ‘hero’ Geronimo as code for ‘terrorist’ bin Laden

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Reply #257 - May 04, 2011, 07:26 PM

CNN: Osama bin Laden's death, from all angles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP9YcycDpmU

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Reply #258 - May 04, 2011, 07:29 PM

Yeevs.. he LOOKS evil lol! That last video, the still pic is scary!

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Reply #259 - May 04, 2011, 07:31 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on May 04, 2011, 07:21 PM
knew this was coming....

Native Americans object to ‘hero’ Geronimo as code for ‘terrorist’ bin Laden
Wednesday, May 04, 2011 5:27:34 AM

Native Americans object to ‘hero’ Geronimo as code for ‘terrorist’ bin Laden

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He was also the principal adviser and chair of the Native American Domestic Policy Committee for the Obama campaign.

“No one would find acceptable calling this arch-terrorist by code name Mandela, Revere or Ben-Gurion. An extraordinary Native leader and American hero deserves no less,” Harper said.

Tom Holm, a former Marine, a member of the Creek/Cherokee Nations and a retired professor of American Indian studies at the University of Arizona, said: “Robert E. Lee killed more Americans than Geronimo ever did, and Hitler would seem to be evil personified, but the code name for bin Laden is Geronimo?” (ANI)

These guys seem not to understand that WHOLE OPERATION it means "All involved in that successful operation along with marines/seals.. whatever is called as "Geronimo" ...

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Reply #260 - May 04, 2011, 07:38 PM

It has taken many decades to erase "Geronimo" as being synonimous with
"evil incarnate" It is a huge insult to the native americans, and i knew there
would be backlash once that "code name" was announced. obama courted
the native americans furiously prior to his election. He just threw ALL their
votes out the window for damned sure lol.

p.s. i was referring to the scary dude as the one BEFORE your vid on osama.

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Reply #261 - May 04, 2011, 07:43 PM

I haven't read much this topic but I cannot and couldn't stand that guy 'Bin Laden' he died with his favourite face expression 'of disgust' I have mostly seen him with that face expression, if there is a Hell, I can imagine him being well burned in it, eternal life for him after killing so many people
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Reply #262 - May 04, 2011, 07:45 PM

I meant (Bin Laden) being responsible of the death of so many people
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Reply #263 - May 04, 2011, 08:02 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on May 04, 2011, 07:38 PM
It has taken many decades to erase "Geronimo" as being synonimous with
"evil incarnate" It is a huge insult to the native americans, and i knew there
would be backlash once that "code name" was announced. obama courted
the native americans furiously prior to his election. He just threw ALL their
votes out the window for damned sure lol.

Well I am not sure about that.. Obama is much smarter than these guys..

Congress to Examine "Inappropriate" and "Devastating" Use of "Geronimo" Codename in bin Laden Mission

The Obama administration has indicated that the Navy SEALs who killed bin Laden did not use “Geronimo” as the codename for him, but rather it was the code for the act of capturing or killing him.

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Reply #265 - May 04, 2011, 09:15 PM

Quote from: Mount A Bison on May 04, 2011, 08:13 PM
It is the Washington Post which reports that the Taliban offered up bin Laden. Not the Bison.

Nope they did not.,

Americans being a free press write whatever they want and the link you gave has no conclusive evidence of Mullah Omar Taliban offered anything. You seem not to understand this Mullah Omar Taliban was fully under control of Pakistan's ISI., there is no way that Pakistan's army will offer Osama to Washington., Osama is/was Cash cow until his death couple of days back, apart from controlling Indians through Kashmir Jihad..

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Reply #266 - May 04, 2011, 09:29 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on May 04, 2011, 06:21 PM
In a perfect world maybe, but we don't live in one of those. Where, in America, or even on the planet, do you think you could find an untainted jury of 12 to try Bin Laden?

Anyway, who gives a shit about him, he's no loss to the world.

Yeah true, well its not about him personally, its about what will happen after because of the manner in which he was killed.

Quote from: Kenan on May 04, 2011, 06:41 PM
Cool idea.

Guess who would get the blame for not executing the fucker on the spot every time a bunch of dumb terrorists take a class of preschooler hostages demanding the release of bin Laden, and then kill the kids when their demands are not met.

Who said it should be made public? No Jihadi released a statement about the killing until Obama announced his killing on TV.
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Reply #267 - May 04, 2011, 09:33 PM

Oh right yeah because that way al-Qaeda won't notice that their old man is missing.

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Reply #269 - May 04, 2011, 09:55 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on May 04, 2011, 09:29 PM
Who said it should be made public? No Jihadi released a statement about the killing until Obama announced his killing on TV.

In one of your previous posts you specifically mentioned that (according to you) the issue here is violation of international laws.
Here:

Quote from: Aphrodite on May 04, 2011, 03:55 PM
I don't particularly like murderers who violate the sovereignty of nations so they can commit extra-judicial killings (he wasn't found guilty by any court) thus violating International law ...

Since you are an expert on the topic of international law I find it surprising that you failed to notice that public hearing is defined as an absolute right according to the said law:

Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that:
"Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him."

As a minimum the right to fair trial includes the following fair trial rights in civil and criminal proceedings (this includes crimes against humanity and war crimes):

the right to be heard by a competent, independent and impartial tribunal
the right to a public hearing
the right to be heard within a reasonable time
the right to counsel
the right to interpretation

Do you think the reason International Criminal Court in Hague conducts public trials is purely for the benefit of public entertainment or what?
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