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  • What I despise the most about Islam!
     OP - May 04, 2011, 07:43 PM

    Living at home with family has made me think countless times how controlling and time consuming religion is. Not long ago I was also constantly trying to please Allah, although I do think that I had it easier than most muslims, as I was taught that to make Allah happy or to know if Allah was happy with you, just look for acceptance from your mother, therefore I was always trying to please my mother to no avail of course. It wasn't the fact that my mother is or was too harsh too strict or insensitive, it was just merely the fact that my one year younger sister has always been the perfect daughter. I was never really jealous of her, I just wanted to be accepted as well, I never let my unacceptance affect my love for my sister, I don't really know why, i just thought it was silly to hate my sister just cause I wasn't the more perfect one, it wasn't her fault, it was mine, I should just try harder, to please my mother.

    Damn I sound so vain, but seriously i'm just being honest. So anyway back to topic, i realise that my family's lives are in constant worship of the not so Almighty Allah, seriously like we've had so many troubling times, been cheated on by backstabbing family friends, rumoured about from family, despised by family, but not once have i seen my family complain to Allah about this? If he is the all just then why hasn't justice been done to my family? If he is all knowing then why did he let my family get cheated on? And more importantly, seeing as my family have always been so bloody damn loyal and devoted to Allah and his fucking Messenger then why has His Royal Highness led me astray hence giving my family more trouble? Why don't my family see these signs of Allah's non existance? Rather than calling it a stupid test from Allah.

    When I was a muslim, there were many aspects of Islam that I felt uncomfortable with, but I somehow used to able to convince myself that if it was Allah's word then it must be true these beliefs included the likes of all disbelievers will go to hell regardless of what sort of person they were and that this was supported by the fact that disbelievers are blinded from the Truth although what troubled me the most that Allah seals the hearts of the disbelievers how the hell are they responsible for not believing if their hearts have been sealed? I always felt uneasy about the beliefs of homesexuality, as it apparently is a choice, but transexuality isn't? I despised the idea of predestination if our lives have already been written and we have already been assigned to hell or heaven, then what the fuck are we doing here? If life is a so called test, then why are people getting away with murder? Why are the good being ill treated? Why are are innocent young children getting raped? Abused? Killed? What sort of evil and twisted God will let these atrocities take place on its own creation? A woman's testimony is half of a man's? But I thought all humans are equal in the eyes of Allah? That definitely explains why Allah decided that if shirk wasn't the unforgivable sin then women would have had to worship their husbands, yeah i bet Mo tried that but it must have been a conspicous conflict that didn't work out even in the bloody 6th century.    

    But most of all what pains me the most is the fact that millions of muslims and god-fearing believers around the globe are worshipping a godless fiend who has more contradicting attributes than the bloody prime minister! (such a Brit thing for me to say) If he really is All merciful, all knowing, all loving, most compassionate, most forgiving, Then how can he also be the dishonorer, the humiliator, the avenger, the distresser, the destroyer? why can't muslims see these conspicous conflicting attributes of their so called Allah? If he is any one these good attributes then why is there poverty in the world? Why are people getting murdered? Why are there wars? Why are women and children getting raped and killed? Believers insist that there is so much evidence of Allah's mercy in the world how can we reject it, well I ask you believers there is so much pain and suffering in the world how can you explain it while your God has these so called wonderful attributes? If he does then why isn't he acting upon them, and if he doesn't then why call him God?
  • Re: Religious rant?
     Reply #1 - May 04, 2011, 09:01 PM

    You know, there's something I thought about that made me reject Islam completely. Allah has 99 traits. It's like he has Multiple Personality Disorder or something. According to Islamic "reasoning", Allah's good traits are for the good people and his bad traits are for the evil ones. Now that I think about it,I sometimes felt that Allah is weird when I was a child. I felt that Muhammad was a weird person too,but of course I couldn't say these stuff. I reasoned that Muhammad was so awesome and that his personality is abnormal for the good of Allah and humanity.

    Regarding the suffering of humanity and why Allah doesn't interfere,Muslims and Christians will always say that the people who suffer will eventually be rewarded. I suffered a lot in my life,and I always made myself think that Allah was helping me cope(it didn't work though hehe) If I had thought about it objectively,I would've said that if he decides that I suffer,isn't it stupid that he wants me to ask for help after what he's done to me. It's like someone tortures me and wants me to ask him for help. I mean WTF  Huh?
  • Re: Religious rant?
     Reply #2 - May 04, 2011, 09:13 PM

    You tell 'em girls.

    And why did Mohammed have to die on the cross for our sins? After parting the Caspian Sea, and proving to the Lord that he loved him by sacrificing his firstborn Noah, why did he have to suffer more? I'll never get it.

    Hi
  • Re: Religious rant?
     Reply #3 - May 04, 2011, 09:41 PM

    You know, there's something I thought about that made me reject Islam completely. Allah has 99 traits. It's like he has Multiple Personality Disorder or something. According to Islamic "reasoning", Allah's good traits are for the good people and his bad traits are for the evil ones. Now that I think about it,I sometimes felt that Allah is weird when I was a child. I felt that Muhammad was a weird person too,but of course I couldn't say these stuff. I reasoned that Muhammad was so awesome and that his personality is abnormal for the good of Allah and humanity.

    Regarding the suffering of humanity and why Allah doesn't interfere,Muslims and Christians will always say that the people who suffer will eventually be rewarded. I suffered a lot in my life,and I always made myself think that Allah was helping me cope(it didn't work though hehe) If I had thought about it objectively,I would've said that if he decides that I suffer,isn't it stupid that he wants me to ask for help after what he's done to me. It's like someone tortures me and wants me to ask him for help. I mean WTF  Huh?


    Omg that is so true! i really do just wonder whether muslims think at all?! and if they do then are such thoughts crossing their minds too?
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #4 - May 10, 2011, 06:46 PM

    The reason why these thoughts never crossed my mind as a Muslim is that I thought that God was testing us a particularly difficult test to reward us with a special reward. There was a hadith that meant "At the ends of time, he who grasped his religion will be like one grasping on hot coals" and I though that was it. Religion is so hard to believe and follow and "grasp" that clinging on to it was like clinging on a hot coal. But for someone to hold and cling on a hot coal, there must be some kind of REASON for doing so. I discovered, there is no reason whatsoever.

    I'm open for debate (of why we should re-/embrace Islam), but I will no longer participate in this forum. Message me if you need anything. Good luck and may you all find your way... again...
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #5 - May 10, 2011, 07:46 PM

    This would have fitted in perfectly in Zaiba's 'religious rant' thread....but yeah, I hear you bro.

    Hi
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #6 - May 10, 2011, 07:51 PM

    ^^ sorry, I thought you'd posted that in a separate thread lufty..I'm getting old, my eyes aren't what they used to be..

    Hi
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #7 - May 10, 2011, 08:23 PM

    The reason why these thoughts never crossed my mind as a Muslim is that I thought that God was testing us a particularly difficult test to reward us with a special reward.


    Exactly the same reason. What made me crack about Islam is actually great Mo's behaviour and how barbaric and merciless he was. I could never defend him as too why he had a 9 year old wife, why he had 11 of them and how he killed people as though they were nothing. But yeh, I love how muzzies try to mask what imams say in friday jummats by making it look all peaceful and shit, but really its a hating machine of a religion.

    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #8 - May 19, 2011, 08:24 PM

    And why did Mohammed have to die on the cross for our sins? After parting the Caspian Sea, and proving to the Lord that he loved him by sacrificing his firstborn Noah, why did he have to suffer more? I'll never get it.


    The same reason as Buddha told Shankarcharya on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, and why in the 60s Gandhi came to the West to spread the chanting of "Happy Christmas"
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #9 - May 19, 2011, 08:26 PM

    Damn it now you got me in the mood.....

     dance Happy Christmas, Happy Christmas, Christmas Christmas, Happy Happy  dance
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #10 - May 19, 2011, 08:55 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy

    Hi
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #11 - May 22, 2011, 05:30 PM

    Living at home with family has made me think countless times how controlling and time consuming religion is. Not long ago I was also constantly trying to please Allah, although i do think that i had easier than most muslims, as i was taught that to make Allah happy or to know if Allah was happy with you, just look for acceptance from your mother, therefore i was always trying to please my mother to no avail of course. It wasn't the fact that my mother is or was too harsh too strict or insensitive, it was just merely the fact that my one year younger sister has always been the perfect daughter. I was never really jealous of her, i just wanted to be accepted as well, i never let my unacceptance affect my love for my sister, i don't really know why, i just thought it was silly to hate my sister just cause i wasn't the more perfect one, it wasn't her fault, it was mine, i should just try harder, to please my mother.

    Damn i sound so vain, but seriously i'm just being honest. So anyway back to topic, i realise that my family's lives are in constant worship of the not so Almighty Allah, seriously like we've had so many troubling times, been cheated on by backstabbing family friends, rumoured about from family, despised by family, but not once have i seen my family complain to Allah about this? If he is the all just then why hasn't justice been done to my family? If he is all knowing then why did he let my family get cheated on? And more importantly, seeing as my family have always been so bloody damn loyal and devoted to Allah and his fucking Messenger then why has His Royal Highness let me be astray hence giving my family more trouble? Why don't my family see these signs of Allah's non existance? Rather than calling it a stupid test from Allah.

    When i was a muslim, there were many aspects of Islam that i felt uncomfortable with, but i somehow used to able to convince myself that if it was Allah's word then it must be true these beliefs included the likes of all disbelievers will go to hell regardless of what sort of person they were and that this was supported by the fact that disbelievers are blinded from the Truth although what troubled me the most that Allah seals the hearts of the disbelievers how the hell are they responsible for not believing if their hearts have been sealed? I always felt uneasy about the beliefs of homesexuality, as it apparently is a choice, but transexuality isn't? I despised the idea of predestination if our lives have already been written and we have already been assigned to hell or heaven, then what the fuck are we doing here? If life is a so called test, then why are people getting away with murder? why are the good being ill treated? why are are innocent young children getting raped? abused? killed? What sort of evil and twisted God will let these atrocities take place on its own creation? A woman's testimony is half of a man's? But i thought all humans are equal in the eyes of Allah? That definitely explains why Allah decided that if shirk wasn't the unforgivable sin then women would have had to worship their husbands, yeah i bet Mo tried that but it must have been a conspicous conflict that didn't work out even in the bloody 6th century.    

    But most of all what pains me the most is the fact that millions of muslims and god-fearing believers around the globe are worshipping a godless fiend who has more contradicting attributes than the bloody prime minister! (such a Brit thing for me to say) If he really is All merciful, all knowing, all loving, most compassionate, most forgiving, Then how can he also be the dishonorer, the humiliator, the avenger, the distresser, the destroyer? why can't muslims see these conspicous conflicting attributes of their so called Allah? If he is any one these good attributes then why is there poverty in the world? Why are people getting murdered? why are there wars? why are women and children getting raped and killed? Believers insist that there is so much evidence of Allah's mercy in the world how can we reject it, well i ask you believers there is so much pain and suffering in the world how can you explain it while your God has these so called wonderful attributes? if he does then why isn't he acting upon them, and if he doesn't then why call him God?


    I had the same thoughts when i first started questioning Islam. Why is there so much economic suffering in this world? Because Allah is testing us? for what purpose can making humans suffer in such humiliating ways can this be deemed a test!? The shear barbarism in Islamic countries in Islamic societies is too mind blowing to even come to terms with. Its like the Muslim world has somehow managed to cut themselves off from the rest of humanity and entered a dream world. I remember in my tab-leaky days where the brothers would tell us to low our gaze while the iman is having staring contest with the young blonde woman. We caught him a few times LOL...but such is the programming you don't ask questions.

    To me Islam's falsehood has been made crystal clear and i will never revisit such fantasies again. I am shamed to admit that at one point in my life I worshiped Allah with sincere devotion. Not any more.

    Through Logic, truth can be ascertained.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #12 - May 22, 2011, 05:44 PM

    Its like the Muslim world has somehow managed to cut themselves off from the rest of humanity and entered a dream world.

    That's beautifully put.

    As the Sex Pistols said: "In England's dreaming. No future, no future, No future for you ..."
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #13 - May 22, 2011, 06:40 PM

    So anyway back to topic, i realise that my family's lives are in constant worship of the not so Almighty Allah, seriously like we've had so many troubling times, been cheated on by backstabbing family friends, rumoured about from family, despised by family, but not once have i seen my family complain to Allah about this? If he is the all just then why hasn't justice been done to my family? If he is all knowing then why did he let my family get cheated on? And more importantly, seeing as my family have always been so bloody damn loyal and devoted to Allah and his fucking Messenger then why has His Royal Highness let me be astray hence giving my family more trouble? Why don't my family see these signs of Allah's non existance? Rather than calling it a stupid test from Allah.


    You might want to tell them that god can't preform a 'test' after all, since it's an activity done out of a state of ignorance. You test something to learn something, if you know the outcome beforehand then it is no longer a test. You can't be all knowing and 'test' things. Another attribute contradiction for you.

    And since muslims are always going on about how this world is a test, you suffer because it's a test. Then god either doesn't know the outcome with 100% certainty, making him a liar and no longer a god or he just does it for no worthy reason, which makes him a bastard and everyone else suffer for a whim.

    This is one of the logical arguments I based my apostasy on. To quote MAB from a thread in the past, when I was lurking.

    "Truthseekers don't seek so much the truth as they seek to reach a palatable state." Or something vaguely along those lines.

    I still wonder if I just made a good enough argument to get out or really sought the truth of the matter. I'd like to believe the latter, though it was purely coincidental if so.

    Get crunk.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #14 - May 22, 2011, 07:10 PM

    You must stop flipping off Allah's gang. I will punish you.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #15 - May 27, 2011, 02:30 PM

    You tell 'em girls.

    And why did Mohammed have to die on the cross for our sins? After parting the Caspian Sea, and proving to the Lord that he loved him by sacrificing his firstborn Noah, why did he have to suffer more? I'll never get it.

     

    Clearly you don't understand Islam
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #16 - May 27, 2011, 02:33 PM

    Clearly you don't understand humour.  Cheesy

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #17 - May 27, 2011, 02:40 PM

    Mujahideen - explain to us. Allah knew he was going to torture some people in hell for eternity before he even created them. Why, then, did he still create them?
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #18 - May 27, 2011, 02:43 PM

    Mujahideen - explain to us. Allah knew he was going to torture some people in hell for eternity before he even created them. Why, then, did he still create them?

     

    Allah knows best
    i can't give a definitve answer now
    but i will in the future - i can garuntee that
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #19 - May 27, 2011, 02:46 PM

    Assume Islam is correct.
    See contradiction in Islam.
    Claim there must be an answer because Islam is correct.
    Repeat.

    Circular logic works because circular logic works.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #20 - May 27, 2011, 02:53 PM

    Allah knew he was going to torture some people in hell for eternity before he even created them. Why, then, did he still create them?

    The answer is obvious. Allah created the hell-bound because he likes to torture people. It's in his job description.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #21 - May 27, 2011, 02:54 PM

    Assume Islam is correct.
    See contradiction in Islam.
    Claim there must be an answer because Islam is correct.
    Repeat.

    Circular logic works because circular logic works.

     

    Continue, Continue.... For your retorhic means nothing
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #22 - May 27, 2011, 02:54 PM

    The answer is obvious. Allah created the hell-bound because he likes to torture people. It's in his job description.

     

    You shoudnt speak without prior knowledge
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #23 - May 27, 2011, 02:57 PM

    How do you know he's wrong?
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #24 - May 27, 2011, 02:57 PM



    Continue, Continue.... For your retorhic means nothing


    What happens if you don't get the answer you're looking for?
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #25 - May 27, 2011, 02:58 PM



    You shoudnt speak without prior knowledge

    So why did Allah create people for hell then? Since you know the truth.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #26 - May 27, 2011, 03:01 PM



    Allah knows best
    i can't give a definitve answer now
    but i will in the future - i can garuntee that

    What a great answer.,  i think Mujahideen is very smart guy., You guys don't know how smart he is ., "In fact he doesn't know how smart he is "

    did you guys not see that answer?  " Allah knows best is best answer to every  question in Islam. I am surprised Mujahideen says "i can't give a definite answer now"  even though he is answering the question

    See How tricky he is?? Smart guy.

    Glad to read you and continue educating and answering the folks here Mujahideen..


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #27 - May 27, 2011, 03:04 PM

    I don't mind doing extra research about the questions some individuals are asking me so i will get back to those questions very soon
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #28 - May 27, 2011, 03:05 PM

    I don't mind doing extra research about the questions some individuals are asking me so i will get back to those questions very soon

    You shouldn't speak without prior knowledge.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #29 - May 27, 2011, 03:09 PM

     
    I don't mind doing extra research about the questions some individuals are asking me so i will get back to those questions very soon

    Huh!  you need to do research ?? why Mujahideen?  i ask you why?

     You are thorough with Islamic scriptures .. You don't need any research., but what you may need is some help from Islamic scholars., So send a link of this forum along with question to an Imam in Mosque..

    Let that Islamic intellectual answer these tricky guys at cemb

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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