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  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #60 - May 30, 2011, 07:49 AM

    Our Fitrah(Natural Inclination) leads us to worship our creator alone without no partner.

    Ah, that's why feral children are monotheist...


























    not :S

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #61 - May 30, 2011, 08:36 AM

    Those who reject true Monotheism are the biggest idiots of all, dont you think? 


    I think mujahideen who believe they will be rewarded with houris in paradise are the biggest idiots.

    The Quran is riddled with mistakes what makes you think it is the truth?
    www.quran.com/18/86
    I prefer Pickthall,Shakir and Yusef Ali for translations did they get it right or fuck it up?

    Do you expect a rational person to believe what is written in Quran 18-86 or laugh at the ignorance of the author?

    Do you think a idiot would believe what is written in Quran 18-86?

    Do you think a dumbfuckistani would believe what is written in Quran 18-86?

    Do you believe what is written in Quran 18-86?




  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #62 - May 30, 2011, 09:55 AM

    I'm a new member to this site and just thought I'd post my first comment/response on this discussion...

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? - Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? - Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? - There where does evil come from?
    Is he neither able nor willing? - Then why call him God?

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us and the world will be as one (John Lennon)
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #63 - May 30, 2011, 10:57 AM

    Well regarding all the evil in the world that is coming from people... That's exactly what it is.
    (meaning, when I was a believer, and when people would ask me this question "why?" I'd point out "That's people doing those things. Not God.")

    Wars, murders, rapes etc.

    It's funny, I always used to defend God on this (why does evil happen in the world?) That was never the reason I came to be a nonbeliever... because I recognized that these things happened from people who have free will, not God. However, him letting it continue would be a whole other story and something I never had the answer to. Besides uhh, free will? But why let it happen in the first place then?

    But then there are things like natural disasters that ruin innocent people's lives..... and that I would never understand. The automatic bs religious answer is that God has allowed these people to suffer , has CHOSEN them to suffer but that means in the afterlife he will make up for it by putting them all in Heaven.  Cheesy
    Same bullshit you said of god supposedly "sealing the hearts of the disbelievers" and willing (and already chosen) certain people to go to Hell..ugh.. WTF. stupidity. hate.

     Cry So let innocent people suffer all sorts of atrocities... but, let's not worry, they're promised heaven.  wacko

    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #64 - May 30, 2011, 11:09 AM

    I'm a new member to this site and just thought I'd post my first comment/response on this discussion...

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? - Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? - Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? - There where does evil come from?
    Is he neither able nor willing? - Then why call him God?

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    You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us and the world will be as one (John Lennon)



    Said by Epicurus - a smart Greek philosopher.

    Welcome to the forum! I am overwhelmed over how many Infidels we are becoming. Its like a Murtad every day in this forum.

     dance

    Its the Ridda wars all over again without the fighting.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #65 - May 30, 2011, 11:51 AM

    I have no idea where my thread has got to and how, but what i do seem to notice is that in just about every thread i've started a muslim member has felt the urge to post some sort of bs we all have heard and have probably said so ourselves. Do they not realise that to leave a religion that too being Islam is not an easy task, it's something we'll all never forget, it's the most strictest fundamentalist and controlling religions out of the major religions in the world. Yet do you not see the harsh truth in all of this?

    Do you really not realise that there has to be, there must be, a completely rational, valid and solid reaon/proof as to why people are leaving Islam? It is not a valid rebuttle if you claim that millions of people are accepting Islam, because clearly you blind yourself towards evidence that proves that 70% of those converts leave Islam?!

    FFS wake up and smell the coffee, Islam is counting it's last days, people are beginning to realise and are accepting empirical evidence over words of a fictitious god.. Religion is losing it's authority, and has been so for many decades, it's not long before secularism, humanism, and atheism will take over the world.

    I hope i live to see a better world. One that is not segregated by mere human differences.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #66 - May 30, 2011, 12:58 PM



    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? - Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? - Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? - There where does evil come from?
    Is he neither able nor willing? - Then why call him God?




    Love that.

    Its like four skull-smashing punches from Mike Tyson in his prime straight to the head of the believers.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #67 - May 30, 2011, 01:36 PM

    do you know what Taghut means?

    Why do the Salafis love the word Taghut?  Does it make you guys look clever?

    And if you are going to say we worship money or worldly things, then at least they are *real* things.  You on the other hand wake up at dawn every morning to sniff the carpet several times and stick your buttocks skywards worshipping a figment of your own imagination.  There is no evidence that your God exists.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #68 - May 30, 2011, 01:54 PM



    A pic for those who dont already have it.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #69 - May 30, 2011, 01:55 PM


    These Greeks were good, eh.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #70 - May 30, 2011, 02:15 PM


    Epicurus"   Born    4 February 341 BC.,  Died    270 BC (aged 72)  Job:...Archonship of Pytharatu

    Quote
    Epicurus' philosophy is based on the theory that all good and bad derive from the sensations of pleasure and pain. What is good is what is pleasurable, and what is bad is what is painful. Pleasure and pain were ultimately, for Epicurus, the basis for the moral distinction between good and bad. If pain is chosen over pleasure in some cases it is only because it leads to a greater pleasure. Although Epicurus has been commonly misunderstood to advocate the rampant pursuit of pleasure, what he was really after was the absence of pain (both physical and mental, i.e., suffering) - a state of satiation and tranquility that was free of the fear of death and the retribution of the gods. When we do not suffer pain, we are no longer in need of pleasure, and we enter a state of 'perfect mental peace'


    Quote
    Epicurus Quotes:

    “Not what we have But what we enjoy, constitutes our abundance.”

    “You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships everyday. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity.”

    “Death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, death is not here. And when it does come, we no longer exist.”

    “Nothing is enough for the man to whom enough is too little.”

    “Freedom is the greatest fruit of self-sufficiency”

    “Only the just man enjoys peace of mind”

    “The misfortune of the wise is better than the prosperity of the fool.”

    “Let no one delay the study of philosophy while young nor weary of it when old”

    “Justice . . . is a kind of compact not to harm or be harmed.”

    If the gods listened to the prayers of men, all humankind would quickly perish since they constantly pray for many evils to befall one another”

    compare that with the alleged revelation of allah/god.. and remember that guy said those  500 years before the birth of allah book..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #71 - May 30, 2011, 02:23 PM

    Man I see a picture ^^^ having rocket launcher on the shoulder.
    But wait the launcher looks as if it's been made by some Infidel in the west.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #72 - May 30, 2011, 02:44 PM

    Why do the Salafis love the word Taghut?  Does it make you guys look clever?




    They emphasise tawheed or as they say "authentic tawheed" to them taghut is believing in anything other than Islam. If you believe in secularism you're worshipping secularism instead of Allah  Roll Eyes A salafi friend of mine sent me this, its a convo between an islamist imprisoned in Indonesia and two prison guards, he explains to them taghut:

    http://theunjustmedia.com/Islamic%20Perspectives/May11/A%20Dialogue%20Between%20Ansarut%20Tawheed%20and%20Ansarut%20Thaghut%20In%20Sijn%20%28Prison%29.htm

    I grew up with a similar interpretation of Islam, a lot of things from horoscopes to lucky charm bracelets were considered as being shirk but it wasn't as austere as the salafi interpretation  wacko
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #73 - May 30, 2011, 03:34 PM

    Man I see a picture ^^^ having rocket launcher on the shoulder.
    But wait the launcher looks as if it's been made by some Infidel in the west.

    The guy in the pic is a Saudi guy called Emir Khattab. He was a guerilla fighter and financier who used to fight along with Chechen Mujahideen.

    And yeah, you are sort-of correct. He is holding a Russian made shoulder-fired AA missile 9K38 Igla aka SA-18 Grouse.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #74 - May 30, 2011, 03:40 PM

    Its very intolerant and very non accepting of others
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #75 - May 30, 2011, 05:27 PM

    You claim I worship something other than your particular god.

    I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that it was a reasoned comment in response to something you actually know about me and not just a default straw-clutching reply to all non-Muslims. So tell me what you assume I worship, and give reasons for thinking I do.
    What is this an answer to? Someone else? I asked you why I should think those who reject true Monotheism are the biggest idiots of all. Do you have an answer?

     

    Okay, tell me are you an atheist, agnostic?
    then i will tell you what your worship, but i might not be able to tell you why, because you do of your own accord.

    Well i did give that answer to your question, but i think it was abit unclear so i will elaborate  

    Our Fitrah(as stated and assuming im correct for arguments sake) shows us that anything other than worshipping or complete obediance to Almighty God is wrong

    If i give you another example
    If a ship laden with goods, sets sail with no crew and is buffeted by the high seas, would you expect the ship to reach its destination. Without all the smart responses, it would defenitely NOT reach its destination. So the universe with all its fundamental laws ( Strong interaction, weak, gravity, electromagnetic) and you think there is no one who controls the universe. How vast is the universe and it is still stable..Subhan'Allah(Glory be to Allah)

    So assuming you agree with what i said...There is a God
    But why only One God...because God is All-Powerful and there is only need for One God otherwise you negate the power of God.

    http://www.godallah.com/  - very good website for info....and a very very short read too

    So coming back to your question..The rejection of Pure Monotheism is comepletely irrational and it is the biggest stupidity to reject it.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #76 - May 30, 2011, 05:27 PM

    Yes recite your magical incantations.

     

    Magic is Shirk
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #77 - May 30, 2011, 05:28 PM

    I think mujahideen who believe they will be rewarded with houris in paradise are the biggest idiots.

    The Quran is riddled with mistakes what makes you think it is the truth?
    www.quran.com/18/86
    I prefer Pickthall,Shakir and Yusef Ali for translations did they get it right or fuck it up?

    Do you expect a rational person to believe what is written in Quran 18-86 or laugh at the ignorance of the author?

    Do you think a idiot would believe what is written in Quran 18-86?

    Do you think a dumbfuckistani would believe what is written in Quran 18-86?

    Do you believe what is written in Quran 18-86?






     

    Yes i believe it
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #78 - May 30, 2011, 05:29 PM

    Well regarding all the evil in the world that is coming from people... That's exactly what it is.
    (meaning, when I was a believer, and when people would ask me this question "why?" I'd point out "That's people doing those things. Not God.")

    Wars, murders, rapes etc.

    It's funny, I always used to defend God on this (why does evil happen in the world?) That was never the reason I came to be a nonbeliever... because I recognized that these things happened from people who have free will, not God. However, him letting it continue would be a whole other story and something I never had the answer to. Besides uhh, free will? But why let it happen in the first place then?

    But then there are things like natural disasters that ruin innocent people's lives..... and that I would never understand. The automatic bs religious answer is that God has allowed these people to suffer , has CHOSEN them to suffer but that means in the afterlife he will make up for it by putting them all in Heaven.  Cheesy
    Same bullshit you said of god supposedly "sealing the hearts of the disbelievers" and willing (and already chosen) certain people to go to Hell..ugh.. WTF. stupidity. hate.

     Cry So let innocent people suffer all sorts of atrocities... but, let's not worry, they're promised heaven.  wacko


     

    I will come back to your question later
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #79 - May 30, 2011, 05:30 PM

    I have no idea where my thread has got to and how, but what i do seem to notice is that in just about every thread i've started a muslim member has felt the urge to post some sort of bs we all have heard and have probably said so ourselves. Do they not realise that to leave a religion that too being Islam is not an easy task, it's something we'll all never forget, it's the most strictest fundamentalist and controlling religions out of the major religions in the world. Yet do you not see the harsh truth in all of this?

    Do you really not realise that there has to be, there must be, a completely rational, valid and solid reaon/proof as to why people are leaving Islam? It is not a valid rebuttle if you claim that millions of people are accepting Islam, because clearly you blind yourself towards evidence that proves that 70% of those converts leave Islam?!

    FFS wake up and smell the coffee, Islam is counting it's last days, people are beginning to realise and are accepting empirical evidence over words of a fictitious god.. Religion is losing it's authority, and has been so for many decades, it's not long before secularism, humanism, and atheism will take over the world.

    I hope i live to see a better world. One that is not segregated by mere human differences.

     

    Its not you that causes a Muslim member to post in your thread. Rather it is the topic of your thread
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #80 - May 30, 2011, 05:32 PM

    Why do the Salafis love the word Taghut?  Does it make you guys look clever?

    And if you are going to say we worship money or worldly things, then at least they are *real* things.  You on the other hand wake up at dawn every morning to sniff the carpet several times and stick your buttocks skywards worshipping a figment of your own imagination.  There is no evidence that your God exists.

     

    So you assume im a Salafi because i use one particular word
    Taghut - anything that is worshipped besides Allah   
    I use it because it has a broad meaning
    I just label myself as a muslim
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #81 - May 30, 2011, 05:57 PM



    So you assume im a Salafi because i use one particular word
    Taghut - anything that is worshipped besides Allah    
    I use it because it has a broad meaning
    I just label myself as a muslim

    That is a wrong label  for you dear Mujahideen., You  are just a misguided Muslim guy  who may take bit of time to understand Islam . But I am + ve you will be there .. Please continue to write and read..


    and what is up with that jpeg??  Quran says Use pen Not Gun... and Go china..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #82 - May 30, 2011, 06:05 PM

    Okay, tell me are you an atheist, agnostic?
    then i will tell you what your worship...

    I'm an atheist. The atheist label only tells you what I don't worship.

    So assuming you agree with what i said...There is a God

    I don't. So now what?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #83 - May 30, 2011, 06:25 PM


    Love that.

    Its like four skull-smashing punches from Mike Tyson in his prime straight to the head of the believers.





    No it isn't, it's a very weak argument.




    Why did God have to make evil?


    Man has a lot of qualities that also occur in nature.
    There are qualities, that only man has, which nature can hardly grasp on. One of these qualities is intellect.

    Every man is egocentric, whether we want this or not, but this is reality.
    This is reality in the case of God and without God.

    Evil is caused by both man and God.

    1. Evil is caused by man, because of his free-will.
    2. Evil is caused by God, for the benefit of man.

    In my opinion, the root of all evil: the love for wordly gains, powered by the instinct that nature has given man, to maintain his physical health, NOT his mental health. Enlightened people still invade other countries for aspects like money and power.

    In the first case, we have a constant desire for more, just to fulfill our desire, fueled by instinct. The concept of taking.
    Evil occurs when we do not set a limit, the desire for more, more and more.
    When we forget the negative output on society just to fulfill our desires. Because of this evil comes into existence.

    Religion teaches the opposite. Once man has the basic needs to maintain his physical health (enough food, water and a shelter), man should switch to a different egocentricism. Man should no longer adopt the attitude of continuosly taking, but rather giving.
    Charity for example. This is the source of happiness for man, in this life and the life after.
    Conscience plays a crucial role in this. It's actually the feedback for man: 'Are you doing it alright?.
    We do good things, just to please our conscience.

    Now, what role does evil play in all this?
    Man's life is about developping. During his life he has to fight obstacles that we see as 'evil'.

    Definition of evil: Everything that which we want too overcome.
    This could be: illiteracy, wars, injustice, diseases, murder, pollution and so on...

    The source for all this lies within man. Greediness, ignorance, arrogance and rage bring forward evil.
    Concepts that man should fight against. That is the true purpose of life.
    If there was no injustice in the world, then there would be no struggle for justice in the world.

    God for example causes natural disasters.
    Because when there's an external calamity, that is not caused by man, we tend to unite more.
    In case of an internal calamity, caused by man, we don't unite. Take a look at wars.
    Another reason is too stimulate our intellect.
    For a scientist the question comes: "How does and When does the earth shake?"

    Our whole society is based on this:

    We send our children to school, to educate them.
    Some of our children become scientists, who are looking for ways to treat cancerpatients.
    Some of them become politicians, to organise society and give society a better direction.
    Other's join the police force, to oppose injustice on the streets.

    Evil is absolutely needed in the world.
    For our development.

    You can throw away all that I have said, just take a look at this:

    Now, what happens if somehow God decides to delete all evil.
    Society would crumble, because our whole purpose is based on defeating evil.
    Every aspect of society is based on this --> Fight 'Evil'.



    No evil = No purpose for society = No society = Chaos = Evil



    The result is impossible within our reality (absence of evil), it's the journey that is extremely important.
    Fulfilling this journey in succes and adding your part to beat the unbeatable, that is what life is about.



    The Noble Qur'an -  Verily God does not change a people's condition unless they change their inner selves.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #84 - May 30, 2011, 06:44 PM

    So you assume im a Salafi because i use one particular word

    Dude, you have 'Salafi' written all over you.

    Taghut - anything that is worshipped besides Allah   
    I use it because it has a broad meaning
    I just label myself as a muslim

    It has such a broad meaning that it is meaningless.  Think about it.  How do you define worship?

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #85 - May 30, 2011, 06:46 PM

    Man I see a picture ^^^ having rocket launcher on the shoulder.
    But wait the launcher looks as if it's been made by some Infidel in the west.

    Not only that... The use of modern weaponry is bid'ah.  They are an innovation. grin12  Muslims should stick to swords and camels.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #86 - May 30, 2011, 07:06 PM

    No evil = No purpose for society = No society = Chaos = Evil

    Assumption (1): God exists.
      Assumption (1a): God is all-knowing.
      Assumption (1b): God is all-powerful.
      Assumption (1c): God is perfectly loving.
      Assumption (1d): Any being that did not possess all three of the above properties would not be God.
    Premise (2): Evil exists.
    Premise (3): An all-knowing being would be aware of the existence of evil.
    Premise (4): An all-powerful being would be able to eliminate evil.
    Premise (5): A perfectly loving being would desire to eliminate evil.
    Conclusion (6): Evil does not exist. (from (1),(3),(4),(5))
    Contradiction: But evil does exist. (from (2))
    Conclusion (7): There is no being that is all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly loving. (from (2),(3),(4),(5))
    Conclusion (8 ): God does not exist. (from (7),(1d))

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #87 - May 30, 2011, 07:12 PM

    No it isn't, it's a very weak argument.




    No evil = No purpose for society = No society = Chaos = Evil



    The result is impossible within our reality (absence of evil), it's the journey that is extremely important.
    Fulfilling this journey in succes and adding your part to beat the unbeatable, that is what life is about.





    This is an interesting argument, isok. I'm going to try and clarify your argument below, please let me know if I have it correct:

    1. Evil is broadly defined as anything that is 'excessive'
    2. Indulging in excessive behaviour causes pain for both individuals and society in general
    3. The purpose of all existence is to curb behaviour that is excessive and thus learn to live without greed etc
    4. Therefore, evil is necessary to warn us against excessive behaviour.

    If the above is correct, I have a question for you. Humans are advised by Islam to love god unconditionally and without limit. Would you call this love excessive and therefore, evil?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #88 - May 30, 2011, 07:23 PM


    Assumption (1): God exists.
      Assumption (1a): God is all-knowing.
      Assumption (1b): God is all-powerful.
      Assumption (1c): God is perfectly loving.
      Assumption (1d): Any being that did not possess all three of the above properties would not be God.
    Premise (2): Evil exists.
    Premise (3): An all-knowing being would be aware of the existence of evil.
    Premise (4): An all-powerful being would be able to eliminate evil.
    Premise (5): A perfectly loving being would desire to eliminate evil.
    Conclusion (6): Evil does not exist. (from (1),(3),(4),(5))
    Contradiction: But evil does exist. (from (2))
    Conclusion (7): There is no being that is all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly loving. (from (2),(3),(4),(5))
    Conclusion (8 ): God does not exist. (from (7),(1d))


    The base of your argument is the same as Epicurus.
    Which sees the concept of evil as something unneccesary, this is why I see his argument as a failure.
    My argument shows that 'evil' is needed for society, without it, society cannot function.


    The Noble Qur'an -  Verily God does not change a people's condition unless they change their inner selves.
  • Re: What I despise the most about Islam!
     Reply #89 - May 30, 2011, 07:26 PM

    No it isn't, it's a very weak argument.


    Your response isn't even 'a very weak argument' - its the desperate babbling of a believer lying on the canvas, staring up at the lights, who just took four licks from Tyson to his head.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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