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  • Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     OP - May 11, 2011, 09:02 AM

    Wafa Sultan in Copenhagen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6vD6Xwcgrs&feature=player_embedded
    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #1 - May 11, 2011, 11:21 AM
    Her videos on youtube and Maryams helped me during the transition to absolute certainity that islam is a load of bull.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #2 - May 11, 2011, 11:29 AM
    >.< lol videos like that makes me want to SHOUT OUT to the world too, the flaws in islam and religion in general.

    Really works me up! and makes me angry at those men who oppress women. Such backward mentality, that women are 'beneath' men. GRRR!

    Cry
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #3 - May 11, 2011, 11:53 AM
    Mashallah! What a woman!
    What an irony you need an 'outsider' to appreciate the good in your culture!
    Verily there's great freedom for women in Islam! This woman is talking nonsense! Lmao
    1,00,000 {put any number you fancy,doesn't matter,there will be many dhimmi idiots willing to lap it up}women get raped or murdered every second in the US,where as Muslimahs are so lucky! rofl


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #4 - May 11, 2011, 12:01 PM
    And you know what annoys me so much is those muslim women in the west who are like 'oh we're muslim by choice' wearing the veil by choice etc, and its part of our faith, and as a muslim women we arn't oppressed its like ffs.....you're living in the friggin west you have greater opportunity for freedom, how the hell can you make a sweeping statement of 'muslim women arn't oppressed'. I hate to think what those oppressed muslim women in the islamic country feel whilst hearing of the western muslim women.

    I need to go to town now....otherwise i would've went off on a rant Tongue
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #5 - May 11, 2011, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: stardust on May 11, 2011, 11:21 AM
    Her videos on youtube and Maryams helped me during the transition to absolute certainity that islam is a load of bull.


    Alot of people recoil from Wafa Sultan and describe her as an 'Islamophobic bigot' and all of that kind of thing. But what you said above, is exactly what I have heard before, from an ex Muslim I know personally, and have heard elsewhere too.

    The rhetorical 'shock therapy' that people like her administers does have a positive purpose.

    I don't agree with everything she says, but I think that the Left lets down the cause of free conscience and Islam, when it does not co-opt voices like Wafa Sultan.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #6 - May 11, 2011, 12:18 PM
    Quote from: stardust on May 11, 2011, 12:01 PM
    And you know what annoys me so much is those muslim women in the west who are like 'oh we're muslim by choice' wearing the veil by choice etc, and its part of our faith, and as a muslim women we arn't oppressed its like ffs.....you're living in the friggin west you have greater opportunity for freedom, how the hell can you make a sweeping statement of 'muslim women arn't oppressed'.


    Yep, its a false comparison, its a category error. The conditions and culture and space are of a totally different dynamic and dimension.

    Having said that, its not just between the west and the Islamic societies, its within the west too. A white convert woman who fetishises Islam, who comes from a liberal, middle class, priveliged background, has an entirely different context than, say, a British girl from a Pakistani family background, who grows up in a Deobandi / Tableegi family and community in a ghetto in Dewsbury, and basically lives a life restricted by the mores and values of reactionary Islam.

    Its a very, very important point you make, and it shows up the falsity of the comparisons that are made in these debates.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #7 - May 11, 2011, 12:19 PM
    Quote from: stardust on May 11, 2011, 12:01 PM
    And you know what annoys me so much is those muslim women in the west who are like 'oh we're muslim by choice' wearing the veil by choice etc, and its part of our faith, and as a muslim women we arn't oppressed its like ffs.....you're living in the friggin west you have greater opportunity for freedom, how the hell can you make a sweeping statement of 'muslim women arn't oppressed'. I hate to think what those oppressed muslim women in the islamic country feel whilst hearing of the western muslim women.

    I need to go to town now....otherwise i would've went off on a rant Tongue


    Bingo! ungrateful vermin ,who have grown obese on entitlement benefits, denigrating the very culture that nurtured them.
    Please continue with your rant because these idiots have had a free run so far hiding behind the shield of PC.
    They should be forced to experience the real thing to shake them off their romantic reverie.


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #8 - May 11, 2011, 12:26 PM
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    vermin


    Nice choice of word there, well done mate.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #9 - May 11, 2011, 12:26 PM
     Roll Eyes
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #10 - May 11, 2011, 01:25 PM
    Lmao just wait and watch ,when people eventually wake up from their left induced stupor this will pale in comparison with what they will be called then.


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #11 - May 11, 2011, 01:27 PM
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    just wait and watch ,when people eventually wake up from their left induced stupor this will pale in comparison with what they will be called then.


    What will they be called then?

    By the way, anyone who beastialises humans is a ****.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #12 - May 11, 2011, 01:43 PM
    Is the figurative usage of words banned in CEMB? Tongue


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #13 - May 11, 2011, 01:49 PM

    Why are you asking a question you know the answer to?

    If you don't get it, you don't get it.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #14 - May 11, 2011, 01:59 PM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on May 11, 2011, 12:19 PM
    Bingo! ungrateful vermin ,who have grown obese on entitlement benefits, denigrating the very culture that nurtured them.

    how are you doing hypocrucifier?? wrong words.. wrong choice of usage  to wrong people.,

    You know you are talking about women folks who are expressing themselves that they have freedom to wear burkha ..niquab, bikini and nothing .,   right??  that is a very + ve thing coming out Muslim women..

    "...Ungrateful vermin.  Ungrateful animals.. worse than dogs & cats that you have as pets in home.,.."

     No..no..no.   NO they are NOT.  dear hypocrucifier ,

    They are very strong willed human beings however wrong they may be in their choice of burkha color or their silly religious rituals.

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    Please continue with your rant because these idiots have had a free run so far hiding behind the shield of PC. They should be forced to experience the real thing to shake them off their romantic reverie.

    I am sure we like what that STALKING STAR is saying but there are other way to express anger ..upset against a group that you don't like..

    That is NOT true .. they are just rebelling.. and there are ways to let them know their choice is not right thing at this time  and age..

    Boy you have terrific language skill dear hyper_crucifier

    with best regards
    yeeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #15 - May 11, 2011, 03:55 PM
    Quote from: billy on May 11, 2011, 12:13 PM
    Alot of people recoil from Wafa Sultan and describe her as an 'Islamophobic bigot' and all of that kind of thing. But what you said above, is exactly what I have heard before, from an ex Muslim I know personally, and have heard elsewhere too.

    The rhetorical 'shock therapy' that people like her administers does have a positive purpose.

    I don't agree with everything she says, but I think that the Left lets down the cause of free conscience and Islam, when it does not co-opt voices like Wafa Sultan.




    She is a bigot, anyone who talks about the women and human rights Fuck this bitch, whilst attending an American Jewish Congress event just after Israel's war on Lebanon in 2006 is a fucking bigot--I'd love to hear her talk about how muslimahs can't give birth in hospitals because of checkpoints in the west bank, I won't hold my breath. The left doesn't need bigots.

    Quote from: billy on May 11, 2011, 12:18 PM

    A white convert woman who fetishises Islam, who comes from a liberal, middle class, priveliged background, has an entirely different context than, say, a British girl from a Pakistani family background, who grows up in a Deobandi / Tableegi family and community in a ghetto in Dewsbury, and basically lives a life restricted by the mores and values of reactionary Islam.




    The former sounds like my birth mum, the latter sounds like me  Tongue Certain interpretations of Islam by muslims about women's role in society was part of the reason why I decided to leave Islam, when I was questioning I started to read a lot about the history of women in Islamic societies past and present, what I found shocking was how muslims have gone backwards. Muslims need to reform Islam for their own sake, seeing the niqabis leading protests in Yemen gives me some hope  Smiley
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #16 - May 11, 2011, 04:43 PM
    The east is not hell and the west is not paradise. She speaks of Muslim countries as though things are terrible there and that everything is okay and amazing in the west.
    I'm open for debate (of why we should re-/embrace Islam), but I will no longer participate in this forum. Message me if you need anything. Good luck and may you all find your way... again...
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #17 - May 11, 2011, 06:32 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on May 11, 2011, 03:55 PM
    The left doesn't need bigots.


    The Left is already full up and allied with bigots.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #18 - May 11, 2011, 06:37 PM
    Quote from: billy on May 11, 2011, 06:32 PM
    The Left is already full up and allied with bigots.




     Afro AH! The sweet smell of truth!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #19 - May 11, 2011, 06:53 PM
    Quote from: billy on May 11, 2011, 06:32 PM
    The Left is already full up and allied with bigots.




    Some are, like the events and marches to do with Palestine crack me up, leftist non-muslims alongside jihadi sympathisers  Cheesy
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #20 - May 11, 2011, 07:11 PM

    Actually, 'full up' is an exagerration. But parts of the Left are apologists / actively allied to bigots.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #21 - May 11, 2011, 08:04 PM
    One time or other time "ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE LEFTIES"., If you always walk on the right side of books you would have been there where you were before..

    So learn to walk on the wrong side 
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #22 - May 11, 2011, 10:03 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on May 11, 2011, 03:55 PM
    She is a bigot, anyone who talks about the women and human rights Fuck this bitch, whilst attending an American Jewish Congress event just after Israel's war on Lebanon in 2006 is a fucking bigot--I'd love to hear her talk about how muslimahs can't give birth in hospitals because of checkpoints in the west bank, I won't hold my breath. The left doesn't need bigots.

    good.. she bigot and bitch .,  Hmm The left doesn't need bigots..

    What is bigot in your neck of the world dear Aphrodite., let us see this guy says something..


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pxN0DuMAE

    is he not a bigot or bigot supporter??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #23 - May 12, 2011, 08:15 PM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on May 11, 2011, 12:19 PM
    Bingo! ungrateful vermin ,who have grown obese on entitlement benefits, denigrating the very culture that nurtured them.
    Please continue with your rant because these idiots have had a free run so far hiding behind the shield of PC.
    They should be forced to experience the real thing to shake them off their romantic reverie.


    Well my daughter is a white convert but she doesn't denigrate the culture that nurtured her, nor does she spout off about Islam freeing women or anything like it.

    She also knows the reality of living in a muslim country as a muslim woman. Yes, the reason she converted is because she married a muslim man (why she did this just to marry is another issue) but any problems they have are mostly conflicting cultural issues in my opinion and not necessarily to do with religion.

    For example, my son-in-law still lives in Tunisia and they had a burka/hijab (whatever that head contraption is called) ban there before the president was ousted.  Now he's gone many of them want to wear them again. I don't know if this is really the men wanting the women to wear them or the women wanting it themselves. I'm going over there again next week so I will find out.

    As for my daughter, if I ever see her in one (which I very much doubt) I'll know it's because her husband forced her to wear one not because she did so voluntarily.  She is no muslim no matter what she might call herself.  Wink
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #24 - May 12, 2011, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on May 11, 2011, 01:25 PM
    Lmao just wait and watch ,when people eventually wake up from their left induced stupor this will pale in comparison with what they will be called then.

    Seig heil! Tongue
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #25 - May 13, 2011, 01:34 AM
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  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #26 - May 13, 2011, 02:27 AM
    LOL @ washing one's dirty linen in public.  What I meant, MaB, was that there is no way she would ever wear a hijab, I know my daughter too well as so I should. To see her in one would surely have to involve someone walking beside or behind her forcefully holding it in place, or else it would be adorned along with a miniskirt and the highest of heels.  yes

    Actually I wouldn't blame the hubby anyway, I can't for the life of me see what, or how, any man could have such an influence.  I'd too think it a miracle that she'd just lost her senses and was away with the fairies.  whistling2

    Sagging cougar huh?  grin12 I think you should know the good, the bad, and the ugly of what to expect if you ever encounter a cougar my future bigamist husband:  If you see a cougar from a distance thats GOOD, if you see a cougar up close thats BAD and if you piss off that cougar it will get UGLY real fast!  Cheesy


    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #27 - May 13, 2011, 03:35 AM
    Quote from: billy on May 11, 2011, 12:13 PM
    Alot of people recoil from Wafa Sultan and describe her as an 'Islamophobic bigot' and all of that kind of thing. But what you said above, is exactly what I have heard before, from an ex Muslim I know personally, and have heard elsewhere too.

    The rhetorical 'shock therapy' that people like her administers does have a positive purpose.

    I don't agree with everything she says, but I think that the Left lets down the cause of free conscience and Islam, when it does not co-opt voices like Wafa Sultan.


    Dude, the bitch has said on a couple of occasions she thinks nuking Muslim nations to bring pressure to bear on them is a good idea. She also says that Western nations need to stop considering Islam a religion, making it acceptable to have the state trample on people's religious freedoms.

    So people like her and Ali Sina have helped some people here apostate-- okay, fine-- but that is not enough reason to advocate allying with unprincipled, bigoted, authoritarian warmongering/scaremongering scum like Wafa Sultan. It's shameful you even suggested such a thing. You remind me of labor union activists who suck up to protectionist bigots like Pat Buchanan-- but, more in line with your experience, you also remind me of left-wing anti-imperialists who uncritically support groups like Hamas and Hizbollah. The enemy of my enemy of my friend, right, billy? Even if that friend is a bloodthirsty bigot advocating mass murder and wholesale oppression of large groups of people?

    Quote from: billy on May 11, 2011, 06:32 PM
    The Left is already full up and allied with bigots.


    Uh-huh. And how exactly would this justify allying with yet another bigot?
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #28 - May 13, 2011, 04:33 AM
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  • Re: Wafa Sultan : Speak harshly and carry a stick
     Reply #29 - May 13, 2011, 05:23 AM
    Quote from: Rev. Winton Dupree
    Dude, the bitch has said on a couple of occasions she thinks nuking Muslim nations to bring pressure to bear on them is a good idea.


    Could you provide links to corroborating quotes please Q-man? Thanks.

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    She also says that Western nations need to stop considering Islam a religion


    So what are the specific characteristics that qualify Islam to be regarded as a religion?


    Quote
    So people like her and Ali Sina have helped some people here apostate-- okay, fine-- but that is not enough reason to advocate allying with unprincipled, bigoted, authoritarian warmongering/scaremongering scum like Wafa Sultan.


    So provide just one example of Wafa Sultan's alleged "bigotry"?

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    The enemy of my enemy of my friend, right, billy? Even if that friend is a bloodthirsty bigot advocating mass murder and wholesale oppression of large groups of people?


    Who said If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil..., and why?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
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