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 Topic: From the mouth of madness - My blog

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  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #270 - September 03, 2011, 11:52 PM

    Hows the winning and bitches going for you big boi?  Grin


    I think he would be ok with it, and deal with it well.  I think my middle son on the other hand will be quite upset by it.  Just that I know for a fact if I tell my eldest, I may as well tell the youngest, since he has a big mouth.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #271 - September 03, 2011, 11:57 PM

    It's getting there, just a year late. Wink

    But yah, it's better if you did tell the truth than lie about him for their sake. When or how to tell them is the part you gotta decide yourself. wacko

    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #272 - September 04, 2011, 12:05 AM

    Just like what chris said,its humane. I mean surely you will have to feel something for him since he was your first love, he was sweet,nice and gentle to you.you were totally in love and he is the father of your children only that he turned into a different person and start abusing you physically and emotionally,took you for granted. You went through a lot and it has affected your life.

    Now the nemesis has caught up with him and look where he ended up, its sad indeed Surely one way or the other way you will feel bad about his predicament and feel pity on him. It means you have compassion and kind heart but unfortunately he never sees it that way and may never see it that way.

    I dont know whether its best to tell the kids or not, but i think its best for them to know yet the decision lies with you.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #273 - September 04, 2011, 01:02 AM

    Thanks for listening ex muslimoviche comrades.  hugs

    Never easy choices, I will just wait and see, give myself a bit more time to tackle the subject.  They haven't asked yet which is making it easier.




    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #274 - September 04, 2011, 01:06 AM

    My eldest son is 13 though, is that the age when total honesty on this sort of situation is needed or is he still young enough?

    I don't know what to do (jesus is there ever a point in which I do know what to do lol), I feel like if I shoulder the blame then I give them more reason to hate me when they are older, and painting him how he wants or saying its my choice to stop contact, all place them blame on me.  Honesty on the other hand, will that somehow influence them into crime?

    Hmm, or maybe knowing the consequences of crime will deter them?
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #275 - September 04, 2011, 01:11 AM

    Exactly, there is another side to that coin as well.  If only I could decide which one was the right one. 

    I hate not knowing the right thing to do.  I hate the responsibility of knowing my choices won't just impact me. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #276 - September 04, 2011, 01:17 AM

    I really don't see why you would let his crimes give your kids a reason to blame/resent you. I know it's more about what's best for them than for him, but if you tell them you would at least be able to use the opportunity to make it clear to them that a life of crime will get them in deep shit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #277 - September 04, 2011, 01:21 AM

    BTW, what would you tell them in the mean time, if not that he's in prison?
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #278 - September 04, 2011, 09:49 AM

    I really don't see why you would let his crimes give your kids a reason to blame/resent you. I know it's more about what's best for them than for him, but if you tell them you would at least be able to use the opportunity to make it clear to them that a life of crime will get them in deep shit.


    For the same reason that my best friend won't tell her daughter that her father wants nothing to do with her and wishes she had never been born, to protect them I hope.

    As I said, I really don't know what the right thing to do here is.

    Did my ex knowing that his father had served time, or me knowing that my father had served time, ever really deter either one of us from committing a crime or did the knowing add to it?

    Or is that nothing to do with nurture? 

    I havve no idea what I would tell them.  He asked that I tell them he has gone away to morocco to care for his sick father, which I haven't done and won't do. 

    Hmm, maybe that is my answer.  I loathe the idea of painting him in a nice light in that way. 

    I would rather be honest, but explain things to them in a way that doesn't make them feel abandoned or betrayed, and as you said, try to use it to show them crime will ruin their lives too.

    But I worry, hence my quest for advice.

    But for me, I prefer honesty and always have.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #279 - September 04, 2011, 12:09 PM

    How do you think they'd react to the truth Berbs? 

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #280 - September 04, 2011, 01:21 PM

    Eldest would take it in his stride (on the surface), I worry about stuff I can't see and only imagine lol.

    Middle child would be extremely upset.

    I think my daughter would feel relieved somewhat to be honest.  For her she will mostly see it as a chance to not have to see him anymore.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #281 - September 04, 2011, 02:32 PM

    BerberElla you do indeed have a situation on your hands.
     
    So many emotional. So many possible out comes.

    For the past 6 months I have been a nurse at a prison. Some of my more difficult emotinal encounters for me  have occurred on visiting day, seeing young children coming through the security check point. I don't think it is wrong that they come to the prison to visit their Dod, Brother or Uncle. Just a hard lesson for little ones.

    I think telling your childern the truth is the best way. There of course are better and worse ways of telling the truth. You know your children, you how much of what was going on they can tolerate hearing or will want o hear. In the US it is a matter of public record why an adult goes to prison. You can look it up online. Purhaps is the same in your country. (England?) Anyhow you could help get th level of unersanding they want and need.

    As to you concern that knowing their father had been in prison might lead them to a life of crime as well. Purhap you should have more confidence in the good and law abiding standard you are teaching your children. However in the end when everything is said done:

    You will have done the best you could have done with the understanding you had at the time.

    And

    You children will make their own choices because they see things through their own eyes and mind.

    until another time

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #282 - September 04, 2011, 02:36 PM

    If it was me I'd tell them the truth but stress it's nothing they did wrong, their dad just made mistakes etc but keep it short and simple.  It has to be better coming from you than risk them hearing it in the school playground or overhear any adults talking about it.   yes

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #283 - September 04, 2011, 02:44 PM

    BerberElla you do indeed have a situation on your hands.
     
    So many emotional. So many possible out comes.

    For the past 6 months I have been a nurse at a prison. Some of my more difficult emotinal encounters for me  have occurred on visiting day, seeing young children coming through the security check point. I don't think it is wrong that they come to the prison to visit their Dod, Brother or Uncle. Just a hard lesson for little ones.

    I think telling your childern the truth is the best way. There of course are better and worse ways of telling the truth. You know your children, you how much of what was going on they can tolerate hearing or will want o hear. In the US it is a matter of public record why an adult goes to prison. You can look it up online. Purhaps is the same in your country. (England?) Anyhow you could help get th level of unersanding they want and need.

    As to you concern that knowing their father had been in prison might lead them to a life of crime as well. Purhap you should have more confidence in the good and law abiding standard you are teaching your children. However in the end when everything is said done:

    You will have done the best you could have done with the understanding you had at the time.


    And

    You children will make their own choices because they see things through their own eyes and mind.

    until another time



    Thanks for your reply Lynna.  You're right, I need to stop trying so hard to not make mistakes and accept that I am doing the best I can and hope its good enough.

    Also its not the same in the UK, or I don't think so.  I just did a search and it seems permission of the inmate is needed unless I am searching wrong.  I was going to get the social worker to find out for me since I think I have a right to know what he has been sentenced for to make the best decisions for my kids.

    If it was me I'd tell them the truth but stress it's nothing they did wrong, their dad just made mistakes etc but keep it short and simple.  It has to be better coming from you than risk them hearing it in the school playground or overhear any adults talking about it.   yes


    Yeah.

    I think I will.  I think they have a right to the truth.  So ok, tonight before family time I will talk to them about it.

    Thanks everyone for helping me work it out in my head.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #284 - September 04, 2011, 03:21 PM

    My eldest son is 13 though, is that the age when total honesty on this sort of situation is needed or is he still young enough?


    Do like my ma and videotape the televised images of the dad in court then later in chains and a prison jumpsuit, show it to her son and gloat over what a bastard he is and it's about fuckin time.  grin12

    fuck you
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #285 - September 04, 2011, 03:25 PM

    Cheesy

    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #286 - September 04, 2011, 03:27 PM

    Do like my ma and videotape the televised images of the dad in court then later in chains and a prison jumpsuit, show it to her son and gloat over what a bastard he is and it's about fuckin time.  grin12


    Grin  I'm kind of stuck up here on this extremely high horse, and can't come down to enjoy a little payback or the horse won't let me back on.  Grin

    But I will tell them tonight.   yes

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #287 - September 04, 2011, 06:03 PM

     far away hug

    In something like this. I think honesty is the best policy.

    The hard choice, the one that makes you worry, and question yourself, is the right one.

    It's easy to lie, or just not say anything, it's hard to tell the truth. Especially when you know it will hurt those you care about.

    I'm with you Berbsy. Truth is infinitely preferable to lies of any kind.

    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I remain.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #288 - September 04, 2011, 08:19 PM

    Hope things work out for you berbs.  far away hug
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #289 - September 04, 2011, 08:27 PM

    far away hug

    In something like this. I think honesty is the best policy.

    The hard choice, the one that makes you worry, and question yourself, is the right one.


    It's easy to lie, or just not say anything, it's hard to tell the truth. Especially when you know it will hurt those you care about.

    I'm with you Berbsy. Truth is infinitely preferable to lies of any kind.


    Yea, you are soooo right.  I guess if I try to find other options its just me trying to do things the old way, the easy way, the safe way.

    Anyway I have spoken to them. Eldest seemed to really take this is a lesson that he doesn't want the police called on him for his behaviour.  He said it himself, asked me if I would ever really call the police on him, and to be honest as some of you know, thats a step that has been suggested to me, so I was pleased to see him absorb this information as a deterrant at this stage.

    My daughter was ok, a bit sad but she seems to be ok.  My middle son was devestated just like I said he would be.

    He is my potential emo child and gets really tearful about stuff, so he took a lot more reassuring.

    But I feel better for being honest with them about the situation now.

    Thanks again to those of you who helped me with this.  hugs  I really appreciate it as often I feel like I am flying blind.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #290 - September 04, 2011, 08:28 PM

    Hope things work out for you berbs.  far away hug


    Thanks KT hugs

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #291 - September 04, 2011, 08:30 PM

    potential emo loool

    no one becomes emo unless they have shitty parents etc

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #292 - September 04, 2011, 08:35 PM

    Nah.

    I believe in personality typing and my middle son is a mini me.  He loves the books I did, fears the things I did, has my version of a temper, whereas my eldest has his fathers temper and likes skinny jeans and emo hair and wants to be in a rock band or a marine biologist. 

    As long as he doesn't start being super emo, then its all good. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #293 - September 04, 2011, 09:12 PM

    It seems you and your children have made a good start on a difficult journey. I suppose you will keep us up dated as you feel comfortable.
    My thoughts and prayers are with you.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #294 - September 04, 2011, 09:21 PM

    likes skinny jeans and emo hair and wants to be in a rock band or a marine biologist


    Can he be my protégé?

    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #295 - September 09, 2011, 10:06 PM

    wow.  So I think I am going to speak to my big sister on Sunday.   mysmilie_977

    It has been around 7 yrs since we last spoke, I was still pregnant with my daughter and living in a women's refuge.  And even then, it had been 5yrs prior to that, that we had spoken to each other.  This is a deeper chapter into my life away from home at the beginning which isn't in my bio, but you've probably heard me mention bits from this time period.  Anyway...

    This is my ex muslim older sister who left home when I did.  When my parents put me in hospital, she had already been attacked during that beating session but she ran up the stairs after kicking my step mother, which only made my step mother angrier, so when she turned to me......well you all read how that turned out.

    But the thing is, I don't think my sister loves me.  I don't think she ever has even though I idolised her and loved her deeply.

    When we went into foster care together, well she was never really that good to me.  I was 13 and she was 15, and for awhile we did things together.  More like I would hang on to her because I was scared.  She was the one pressing charges on my parents, whilst I was too scared and guilty to face them, either way I clung to her because I was alone and she was the only family I had left now.

    One day our foster father smacked me, so we ran away together.  This was when I was 14.  We lived in squats with druggies, or slept in the park if the police didn't catch us.  She was such a rebel, short skirts, make up, boyfriends, and smoking.  It was her that gave me my first smoke, and my first spliff. She was a chicken though, so I would do the stealing most of the time. 

    I was a theif, its how we got food, and clothes.  I would steal food if I could, which back then was a breeze to be honest (I had been shoplifting since I was 7), clothes she wanted, make up and accesories, shoes, bags, you name it, if she said she wanted it I would go and steal it for her.

    To make money I would hustle for us, because I would steal things we had no use for either.  Like one time I stole 15 hard back copies of "The Joy of Sex", but she was a virgin and so was I.  Infact I had no interest in boys, in school, in anything, other than making my sister happy.  She was like everything I wished I was but wasn't.  She was pale, she was beautiful, she was popular.  I was brown, I was ugly, and my friends were my friends because they were scared of me, or wanted my protection.  As sad as it is, at 14 my only ambition was that my sister would love me.  Anyway I took those books down to Charing Cross train station and sold every copy to red faced couples who had to face a young teenager questioning their sex life and offering them a £15 book, for a fiver to improve the quality of their sex life.

    I gave all the money to my sister.  Its what I always did.  I didn't care about nice things for me.  I lived in tracksuits and trainers.  I looked like a boy.  My hair was still growing back after the hopsital had shaved it off, but it was still boys length, and I had scars on my head.  Infact I looked so much like a boy that I lost count of the amount of offended women who ran off to get the security guards to come escort me out of the womens toilet.  (I used to go stare at the men peeing in the urinals after being escorted to the mens room, and make them feel rreally uncomfortable Grin ).

    So because I knew I was nothing, and she was everything I doted on her.

    Then she betrayed me.  I may have been a thief, but I was a thief with a robin hood honour.  I never stole from friends. 

    One day she took me over to a friend of ours house, along with another moroccan girl who used to hang out with us, whilst I and this other moroccan girl were downstairs chatting to this girl we were visiting, my sister went upstairs and robbed all the jewellry.  When she came downstairs she said it was time to go, and so we left and said our goodbyes.  I quite liked this girl, and she was always nice to me, never treated me like my sisters ugly little sister, but like me. 

    I had no idea what my sister had done until we were on a train home.

    When we were arrested, my sister blamed everything on me and this other moroccan girl.  She told them I had done it, and I guess the halo effect of her beauty meant it was never gonna happen that I could convince anyone that I hadn't done it.  That was the only time I ever got a caution and it wasn't even down to me.

    She betrayed me though, in a heartbeat to save her own skin.

    However I loved her.  A very sick dependent love.  When my mum ran away she was all I had, her and my baby sister.  My dad had put us in care, and again she was all I had.  My replacement mum almost.  So when the other moroccan girl and her sister caught up with mine and beat her for what she did.  I caught up with them and beat them for touching my sister.

    I never saw my sister again though.  Not for a year.  She went back to the foster parent that had hit me, and I ran away from the children's home the police put me in and lived on the streets alone for a few more months.

    I would call her but she wouldn't take my calls. 

    In the end the police found me and took me into a home, I stopped running then.  I was tired of being so alone.

    I heard from my sister again when I was 15.  She wanted money, I gave her everything I had.

    Again she ignored me once she had the money.  again I heard from her when I was 16, again for money, only this time we played happy sisters for a few weeks whilst she fleeced me, then went back to ignoring me.

    I used to write her letters at 14, 15, 16, LOL I was sooooo pathetic. I just wanted my sister.  I had no family, I lived with strangers and I was actually pretty unhappy, very suicidal most of the time.  Hearing from her brightened my day, even though I knew what was coming, I kept thinking this time round I would somehow prove I loved her and she would stop treating me like that.

    One day when I was 17 I went to visit her.  She had a friend coming over and she asked me not to say I was her sister.   Cry  She said because of my colour, her friends would know she wasn't spanish, which is what she pretended to be.

    My sister was deeply ashamed of being a moroccan.  She rejected everything, became a roman catholic, had a baby at 17 with some asshole portugese (sp?) guy, who knew she was moroccan but preferred her to lie and say she was spanish, and she was happy to do so.

    So anyway, when she rejected me again because of my colour, I told her to go fuck herself and switched off my wish for her.

    The next time we saw each other was because our real mum had found me, and I called her to tell her.  I was 18/19.

    Things never changed.  My sister used our real mum for a few years and then dumped her, much like she had done for years to me.

    Needless to say, things have been wrong between us for years. 

    But how sad is it that her duaghter messaged me and told me that she wanted to speak to me and would call on sunday, that part of me wishes she could be family to me again?

    Writing all of that, I think it made me realise that my love for my sister was unhealthy and dependent, and her rejection of me?  I wish I could understand it because it hurt so much for so long that she would be like all of the people who ever mattered to me, and just dump me like I was nobody.

    But I have to ask myself, is it even worth talking to her on sunday?  should I even care?  how could it possibly be any different in the end?

    I know this was a long post, if you have actually read it through to the end, then I commend you, and thank you.  Nothing worse than making a tl;dr post.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #296 - September 09, 2011, 10:11 PM

    :(

    fuck you
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #297 - September 09, 2011, 10:17 PM

    That's pretty much how I feel lol.  Writing all of that, remembering how I felt about her, remembering how she never wanted me, I'm actually fucking crying now.  Grin  << hysterical manic laughter on the inside.

    Man she hurt me.

    Maybe I should talk to her, just so I can fucking tell her, but she wouldn't care.  Like she never cared when I used to write her letters begging her to call me, telling her I was lonely, begging her to come get me.

    I don't know.  I don't know if I want to talk to her now that I remembered all of that.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #298 - September 09, 2011, 10:25 PM

    epic read berber, cheers for that

    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #299 - September 09, 2011, 10:29 PM

    epic read berber, cheers for that


    Glad you found it entertaining, cheers for that.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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