Hi everyone,
do you think Islam can be prevented from destroying civilization ?
Right from the git-go, you’ve screwed up – Islam in fact PROMOTES Civilization, albeit Islamic Civilization. What you mean is, can Islam be prevented from destroying Un-Islamic Civilization, by which case the answer is, yes, we already stopped it, and now the process has reversed – thanks to the internet, Western culture is being pumped down Dar al-Islam’s throat like a [insert appropriate metaphor].
I think it's the greatest thread to freedom mankind ever had to face, way worse than absolutism, nazism or communism.
How do you quantify such an accusation?
In order to abolish absolutism, you "simply" have to get rid of the king who opresses you. It's the same with communism. In Germany, where I come from, Michael Gorbatschow is still considered a hero because he realized that communism was an inferior ideology to capitalism, so he abandoned it along with the Soviet Union which eventually led to Germany being reunited.
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Religions are nearly impossible to abolish, they can only be restrained and put into an environment where they can only barely harm people. Christianity for example is, has been restrained by science, since the benefits of science cannot be doubted even by the idiots in the Vatican (you don't have a life-expectancy of 80+ years because of praying, you know ?)
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Islam, sadly is different. It can hardly be reformed because people fail to see the problems their non-secularization causes. A society that opresses women and homosexuals cannot keep up with the demands of the globalized world we live in, so they feel left-behind and get angry at the West. They cannot understand why the infidels have a way higher standard of living despite eating pork, not covering women etc.
Sub-Saharan Africa also treats women and homosexuals like shit, and they too feel enraged at the West for Colonialism, Neo-Colonialism and Corporate Globalization. They blame the West. And guess what? They AIN’T Muslim!!! :-O -GASP-
In 2010, the best-selling book in Germany was about muslim immigrants and the unwillingness of many of them to integrate into German / Western society. The book is called "Deutschland schafft sich ab" ("Germany abolishes itself"), written by Thilo Sarrazin. It uses many statistics from valied sources to show that many (not all) immigants from muslim countries underachieve in terms of education but reproduce more quickly compared to immigrants from other countries as well as often being more religious and less willing to confirm to law. Sarrazin estimates, that within 100 years, muslims will have become the majority in Germany and all of Western Europe, which will have collapsed economically due to muslims coming from a culture that doesn't consider education to be of great importance.
The book, which I think quite highly of for the most part, was slammed down by most of the German intellectuals as "racist" ect. , but sold more copies than any non-fictional book ever before in Germany and is still causing a stir in German politics today.
In 1933, the best-selling book in Germany was about Jews, and the unwillingness of many of them to integrate into German/Western society. The book was called “Mein Kampf” (“My Struggle”), written by Adolf Hitler.
If you want the FACTS on why Europe is struggling with an immigration problem, feel free to have a looksee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWUBx-mbLt4The issue has very little to do with Islam per se.
Sadly, even though no politician wants to admit it, most of them know or at least feel that Islam will "win" and destroy modern way of life. It's a sad but reasonable behaviour to back down in the face of someone evil, hoping he might spare you in return for your good-will. Seeing millions and millions of people all over the world, rioting over their prophet having been insulted is impressive. They still have ideals worth standing up for, they clearly show that you should be careful about who you draw or what you say, otherwise your life will end rather soon, whereas "we" already feel bad for not shaking everyone's hand when showing up at the office.
What are you talking about? WE are winning this “War”, not Islam. In the Arab states, society is progressing towards Freedom, Democracy and Humanistic values, thanks to the internet and the influx of western media into those countries, and also to the ability of social change to occur via the medium of internet interaction (twitter, facebook, etc). In Iran, the same thing is happening, and the younger generations HATE Theocracy and long for secularism.
The victim gets blamed and the criminal will get excused, if he is just wild and powerful enough. Osama bin Laden's death is a fine example to that. In Germany, like everywhere else, most people thought the USA didn't have the right to "assassinate" Bin Laden, but should have put him on trial for 9/11. The special forces unit that killed him, was considered to be a group of babaric lunatics, because they "slaughtered" an "unarmed" man who "was also a loving father".
Of course Bin Laden did surrender instantly and surely didn't have any "special belts" prepared, should his hideout ever be found.
The babaric SEALs and the US in general are actually quite cool, they don't really care if you mock them and probably won't be blasting your doors in order to silence you, that's why everyone loves hating them, no risk involved.
WTF was that about? How was that relevant? No-one is defending Usama’s actions – people are just critical of the methods the USA used to ice him.
Thank you for reading and responding.
Thank you giving me an opportunity to rag on an ignorant bigot :-)
Topic: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?