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  • can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     OP - May 31, 2011, 09:36 PM

    Hi everyone,

    do you think Islam can be prevented from destroying civilization ?

    I think it's the greatest thread to freedom mankind ever had to face, way worse than absolutism, nazism or communism.

    In order to abolish absolutism, you "simply" have to get rid of the king who opresses you. It's the same with communism. In Germany, where I come from, Michael Gorbatschow is still considered a hero because he realized that communism was an inferior ideology to capitalism, so he abandoned it along with the Soviet Union which eventually led to Germany being reunited.


    Religions are nearly impossible to abolish, they can only be restrained and put into an environment where they can only barely harm people. Christianity for example is, has been restrained by science, since the benefits of science cannot be doubted even by the idiots in the Vatican (you don't have a life-expectancy of 80+ years because of praying, you know ?)


    Islam, sadly is different. It can hardly be reformed because people fail to see the problems their non-secularization causes. A society that opresses women and homosexuals cannot keep up with the demands of the globalized world we live in, so they feel left-behind and get angry at the West. They cannot understand why the infidels have a way higher standard of living despite eating pork, not covering women etc.

    In 2010, the best-selling book in Germany was about muslim immigrants and the unwillingness of many of them to integrate into German / Western society. The book is called "Deutschland schafft sich ab" ("Germany abolishes itself"), written  by Thilo Sarrazin. It uses many statistics from valied sources to show that many (not all) immigants from muslim countries underachieve in terms of education but reproduce more quickly compared to immigrants from other countries as well as often being more religious and less willing to confirm to law. Sarrazin estimates, that within 100 years, muslims will have become the majority in Germany and all of Western Europe, which will have collapsed economically due to muslims coming from a culture that doesn't consider education to be of great importance.

    The book, which I think quite highly of for the most part,  was slammed down by most of the German intellectuals as "racist" ect. , but sold more copies than any non-fictional book ever before in Germany and is still causing a stir in German politics today.

    Sadly, even though no politician wants to admit it, most of them know or at least feel that Islam will "win" and destroy modern way of life. It's a sad but reasonable behaviour to back down in the face of someone evil, hoping he might spare you in return for your good-will. Seeing millions and millions of people all over the world, rioting over their prophet having been insulted is impressive. They still have ideals worth standing up for, they clearly show that you should be careful about who you draw or what you say, otherwise your life will end rather soon,  whereas "we" already feel bad for not shaking everyone's hand when showing up at the office.

    The victim gets blamed and the criminal will get excused, if he is just wild and powerful enough. Osama bin Laden's death is a fine example to that. In Germany, like everywhere else, most people thought the USA didn't have the right to "assassinate" Bin Laden, but should have put him on trial for 9/11. The special forces unit that killed him, was considered to be a group of babaric lunatics, because they "slaughtered" an "unarmed" man who "was also  a loving father".

    Of course Bin Laden did surrender instantly and surely didn't have any "special belts" prepared, should his hideout ever be found.

    The babaric SEALs and the US in general are actually quite cool, they don't really care if you mock them and probably won't be blasting your doors in order to silence you, that's why everyone loves hating them, no risk involved.


    Thank you for reading and responding.

  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #1 - May 31, 2011, 09:51 PM

    You seem to have bought into a whole load of right wing scare tactics.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #2 - May 31, 2011, 10:31 PM

    Hi everyone,

    do you think Islam can be prevented from destroying civilization ?

    Civilisation seems to have survived the last 1400 years.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #3 - May 31, 2011, 10:45 PM


    Some Muslims over-project the utility and 'power' of Islam.

    Some non Muslims take that over-projection and delusion at face value.

    Some non Muslims refuse to address specific ideological imperatives and challenge religiosity on a grassroots and identity politics level.

    That feeds into those who get things out of perspective.

    Thats why its important to be accurate and in perspective.

    Thats why all this apocolypse of civilisation rhetoric is so insidious.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #4 - May 31, 2011, 11:09 PM

    Whats up with these right wing in this place?

    I thought this is CEMB and not FFI.

    Dude, keep on making Muslims become more Muslims with your right wing gibberish.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #5 - June 01, 2011, 12:41 AM

    Some Muslims over-project the utility and 'power' of Islam.

    Some non Muslims take that over-projection and delusion at face value.

    Some non Muslims refuse to address specific ideological imperatives and challenge religiosity on a grassroots and identity politics level.

    That feeds into those who get things out of perspective.

    Thats why its important to be accurate and in perspective.

    Thats why all this apocolypse of civilisation rhetoric is so insidious.




    This.  To say that Islam is vanquish civilization is a little too far out there.  Even when Islam was in full swing there were plenty of liberal and atheistic people who worked under the moniker of Muslim.   That isn't to say we shouldn't be vigilant.  Countries that are predominately Islamic got that way for a reason, but to portray Islam as an overwhelming ideological force is very mistaken.  The only thing I wish there was more of was a hardline ideological push for liberalism instead of a taciturn acknowledgement that it works

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #6 - June 01, 2011, 02:49 AM

    Hi everyone,

    do you think Islam can be prevented from destroying civilization ?


    There are muslims out there who are vocal and active in supporting democracy.

    Dr Zuhdi Jasser the President of the American Islamic forum for Democracy is one you should read what he writes about political Islam.
    www.aifdemocracy.org

    There is another group called British muslims for secular democracy search for them.

    If we dont allow any religions to have religious laws in a secular democracy how can they be a threat?











  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #7 - June 01, 2011, 07:24 AM

    There will always be too much in-fighting in Islam. Any rabid lunatic can fire off fatwa. The divine warrant of the Qur'an empowers the most ambitious and power hungry individuals with their own self-serving agendas, those raised in Islamic ignorance and short-sightedness. Where Islam is strongest in this world, Muslim kills Muslim.

    Show me two Muslims on this website that agree on even the most basic aspect of Islamic tradition. Every Muslim I have ever known has at some point pointed a finger at other Muslims and said "Those people calling themselves Muslim over there are not True Muslims™." This scales up.

    Islam can't even decide what it wants to be. Can't even master itself. What a fucking joke.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #8 - June 01, 2011, 08:45 AM

    Throughout history muslims have often accepted islamic theocracy whole heartedly, these days the governments of said countries have to enforce laws and conservative perspectives to keep it up.
    The more freedom countries have, the more religion will deteriorate into nothing or simply a title.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #9 - June 01, 2011, 11:46 AM

    Well, aren't you a little w*nk biscuit? Let's have a look at your assertions...
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #10 - June 01, 2011, 12:00 PM

    Hi everyone,

    do you think Islam can be prevented from destroying civilization ?

    I think it's the greatest thread to freedom mankind ..................................


    welcome boltek.. Did you write all that stuff? why do you think "THIS IS THE GREATEST THREAD"., there are many great threads in this forum dear boltek ..

    Can you please re-read what you wrote??

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #11 - June 01, 2011, 12:41 PM

    Hi everyone,

    do you think Islam can be prevented from destroying civilization ?


    Right from the git-go, you’ve screwed up – Islam in fact PROMOTES Civilization, albeit Islamic Civilization. What you mean is, can Islam be prevented from destroying Un-Islamic Civilization, by which case the answer is, yes, we already stopped it, and now the process has reversed – thanks to the internet, Western culture is being pumped down Dar al-Islam’s throat like a [insert appropriate metaphor].



    I think it's the greatest thread to freedom mankind ever had to face, way worse than absolutism, nazism or communism.


    How do you quantify such an accusation?



    In order to abolish absolutism, you "simply" have to get rid of the king who opresses you. It's the same with communism. In Germany, where I come from, Michael Gorbatschow is still considered a hero because he realized that communism was an inferior ideology to capitalism, so he abandoned it along with the Soviet Union which eventually led to Germany being reunited.


    No comment here.



    Religions are nearly impossible to abolish, they can only be restrained and put into an environment where they can only barely harm people. Christianity for example is, has been restrained by science, since the benefits of science cannot be doubted even by the idiots in the Vatican (you don't have a life-expectancy of 80+ years because of praying, you know ?)


    No comment here also…



    Islam, sadly is different. It can hardly be reformed because people fail to see the problems their non-secularization causes. A society that opresses women and homosexuals cannot keep up with the demands of the globalized world we live in, so they feel left-behind and get angry at the West. They cannot understand why the infidels have a way higher standard of living despite eating pork, not covering women etc.


    Sub-Saharan Africa also treats women and homosexuals like shit, and they too feel enraged at the West for Colonialism, Neo-Colonialism and Corporate Globalization. They blame the West. And guess what? They AIN’T Muslim!!! :-O -GASP-



    In 2010, the best-selling book in Germany was about muslim immigrants and the unwillingness of many of them to integrate into German / Western society. The book is called "Deutschland schafft sich ab" ("Germany abolishes itself"), written by Thilo Sarrazin. It uses many statistics from valied sources to show that many (not all) immigants from muslim countries underachieve in terms of education but reproduce more quickly compared to immigrants from other countries as well as often being more religious and less willing to confirm to law. Sarrazin estimates, that within 100 years, muslims will have become the majority in Germany and all of Western Europe, which will have collapsed economically due to muslims coming from a culture that doesn't consider education to be of great importance.

    The book, which I think quite highly of for the most part,  was slammed down by most of the German intellectuals as "racist" ect. , but sold more copies than any non-fictional book ever before in Germany and is still causing a stir in German politics today.


    In 1933, the best-selling book in Germany was about Jews, and the unwillingness of many of them to integrate into German/Western society. The book was called “Mein Kampf” (“My Struggle”), written by Adolf Hitler.

    If you want the FACTS on why Europe is struggling with an immigration problem, feel free to have a looksee:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWUBx-mbLt4

    The issue has very little to do with Islam per se.



    Sadly, even though no politician wants to admit it, most of them know or at least feel that Islam will "win" and destroy modern way of life. It's a sad but reasonable behaviour to back down in the face of someone evil, hoping he might spare you in return for your good-will. Seeing millions and millions of people all over the world, rioting over their prophet having been insulted is impressive. They still have ideals worth standing up for, they clearly show that you should be careful about who you draw or what you say, otherwise your life will end rather soon,  whereas "we" already feel bad for not shaking everyone's hand when showing up at the office.


    What are you talking about? WE are winning this “War”, not Islam. In the Arab states, society is progressing towards Freedom, Democracy and Humanistic values, thanks to the internet and the influx of western media into those countries, and also to the ability of social change to occur via the medium of internet interaction (twitter, facebook, etc). In Iran, the same thing is happening, and the younger generations HATE Theocracy and long for secularism.



    The victim gets blamed and the criminal will get excused, if he is just wild and powerful enough. Osama bin Laden's death is a fine example to that. In Germany, like everywhere else, most people thought the USA didn't have the right to "assassinate" Bin Laden, but should have put him on trial for 9/11. The special forces unit that killed him, was considered to be a group of babaric lunatics, because they "slaughtered" an "unarmed" man who "was also  a loving father".

    Of course Bin Laden did surrender instantly and surely didn't have any "special belts" prepared, should his hideout ever be found.

    The babaric SEALs and the US in general are actually quite cool, they don't really care if you mock them and probably won't be blasting your doors in order to silence you, that's why everyone loves hating them, no risk involved.


    WTF was that about? How was that relevant? No-one is defending Usama’s actions – people are just critical of the methods the USA used to ice him.



    Thank you for reading and responding.


    Thank you giving me an opportunity to rag on an ignorant bigot :-)
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #12 - June 01, 2011, 12:55 PM


    WTF was that about?   No-one is defending Usama’s actions – people are just critical of the methods the USA used to ice him.

    Thank you giving me an opportunity to rag on an ignorant bigot :-)


    You see you have two goals Klingschor.,

    One is moving Muslims out of Political Islam which makes Muslims ACT LIKE BIGOTS   and the 2nd one is Moving BIGOTS from the opposite side   and making them understand the reasons why Muslims laced with scriptures, political Islam and problems in life goes that way .

    So I agree partly with you BUT NOT COMPLETELY..  Question to you is .,

    US of A might have have used to ice Osama., but where did ICE CREAM  come from for Osama??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #13 - June 01, 2011, 03:34 PM

    "You see you have two goals Klingschor.,

    One is moving Muslims out of Political Islam which makes Muslims ACT LIKE BIGOTS   and the 2nd one is Moving BIGOTS from the opposite side   and making them understand the reasons why Muslims laced with scriptures, political Islam and problems in life goes that way."

    I actually would prefer Muslims to become Atheists fullstop, not just Progressive Muslims, but meh...

    I have in fact a single goal: The elimination of Faith and Dogma. This would do away with religion, political ideologies, conspiracy theories, bigotry, etc.



    "So I agree partly with you BUT NOT COMPLETELY..  Question to you is .,

    US of A might have have used to ice Osama., but where did ICE CREAM  come from for Osama??"

    Usama ibn Laden always got his icecream from a little Halal Ice Parlour in Islamabad. The owener's name was Hajji Muhammad al-Afghani (apparently), and his little ice-cream store was called "The Flavours of Halal". By all accounts, Usama ibn Laden's favourite flavour was Banana, because he had once eaten a Banana-flavoured ice-cream in Paris as a child (his family were rich and widely-travelled) and he was fond of the memory.

    TRUE STORY.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #14 - June 01, 2011, 03:51 PM



    I actually would prefer Muslims to become Atheists fullstop, not just Progressive Muslims, but meh...

    I have in fact a single goal: The elimination of Faith and Dogma. This would do away with religion, political ideologies, conspiracy theories, bigotry, etc.









    Bingo!!!!!!!   A great,admirable goal -panacea for the various kinds of mental illnesses pervading the world today.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
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  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #15 - June 01, 2011, 03:53 PM

     
    Quote
    yeezevee: "You see you have two goals Klingschor.,

    One is moving Muslims out of Political Islam which makes Muslims ACT LIKE BIGOTS   and the 2nd one is Moving BIGOTS from the opposite side   and making them understand the reasons why Muslims laced with scriptures, political Islam and problems in life goes that way."

    I actually would prefer Muslims to become Atheists fullstop, not just Progressive Muslims, but meh...

    I have in fact a single goal: The elimination of Faith and Dogma. This would do away with religion, political ideologies, conspiracy theories, bigotry, etc.

    Well we can go on  dreaming but there are billions of "FAITH HEADS" outside of Islam., So will the smart Muslim folks  NOT question you  on that ??  for e.g.

    ... "why are you after Muslims and Islam when you have another 4 billion faith  heads out there? ...

    They have the right to question you and me who write against Islam. how do you answer that??
    Quote
    Quote
    yeezevee: "So I agree partly with you BUT NOT COMPLETELY..  Question to you is .,

    US of A might have have used to ice Osama., but where did ICE CREAM  come from for Osama??"


    Usama ibn Laden always got his icecream from a little Halal Ice Parlour in Islamabad. The owener's name was Hajji Muhammad al-Afghani (apparently), and his little ice-cream store was called "The Flavours of Halal".  ..

    TRUE STORY...

    well by that answer you just shifted that  icing on cream question to Hajji Muhammad al-Afghani., Same question again .. where did Muhammad al-Afghani got that ice cream to put icing on it.. lol.. anyways

    So today's news  on that subject says   Majority of Pakistanis want government to Islamise society: Gallup Poll
    Quote
    A majority of Pakistanis want the government to take steps for the Islamisation of society, revealed a recently released Gilani Poll conducted by Gallup Pakistan.

    In a survey, a nationally representative sample of men and women from across the country were asked the following question:

    In your opinion should government take steps to 'Islamise' the society?

    The results of the poll revealed that 67% of Pakistanis want the government to take steps to Islamise society, 13% responded by saying Pakistan did not need Islamisation and 20% gave no response.

    Those who responded with a yes were asked a follow up question:

    Should government take steps for Islamisation at once or one by one?

    Forty eight per cent said the government should take the steps 'one by one' and 31% said the steps should be taken at once, while 21% gave no response.

    The survey was carried out among a sample of 2,738 men and women in rural and urban areas of all four provinces of the country, during January 2011.

    Error margin is estimated to be approximately ± 2-3 per cent at 95% confidence level.


    So there is a looooooooonnnngggggg  way to go for people like you dear Klingschor., So close 80% of 160million people of Pakistan says 'Islamize the country"..

    I just don't know what Islamization  means.. do you??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #16 - June 01, 2011, 04:41 PM



    In the Arab states, society is progressing towards Freedom, Democracy and Humanistic values, thanks to the internet and the influx of western media into those countries, and also to the ability of social change to occur via the medium of internet interaction (twitter, facebook, etc). In Iran, the same thing is happening, and the younger generations HATE Theocracy and long for secularism.



    Western media? Seriously?  Roll Eyes Where were the cameras of CNN and the BBC when there were protests after the brutal murder of Khaled Saeed in Egypt? Or when the people were protesting about high food prices. Western media like their politicians jumped on the revolution bandwagon when they realised the events taking place would change the face of the middle east. Even now the protests in Bahrain and Yemen are being ignored but will be highlighted only when something major happens.  The Internet and Al-Jazeera played a bigger and better role. Fuck mainstream western media.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #17 - June 01, 2011, 06:20 PM


    I have in fact a single goal: The elimination of Faith and Dogma. This would do away with religion, political ideologies, conspiracy theories, bigotry, etc.



    It is impossible to get rid of all faith. There is no possibility of having complete knowledge about everything - somewhere along the line one will have to make a leap of faith, whether religious or naturalist.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #18 - June 03, 2011, 03:36 PM

    If you want the FACTS on why Europe is struggling with an immigration problem, feel free to have a looksee:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWUBx-mbLt4


    This is a really great video, thanks.

    Christianity: One woman's lie about having an affair that got seriously out of hand.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #19 - June 04, 2011, 02:22 AM

    Well we can go on  dreaming but there are billions of "FAITH HEADS" outside of Islam., So will the smart Muslim folks  NOT question you  on that ??  for e.g.

    ... "why are you after Muslims and Islam when you have another 4 billion faith  heads out there? ...

    They have the right to question you and me who write against Islam. how do you answer that??


    Mine answer: I welcome scrutiny and criticism.



    Usama ibn Laden always got his icecream from a little Halal Ice Parlour in Islamabad. The owener's name was Hajji Muhammad al-Afghani (apparently), and his little ice-cream store was called "The Flavours of Halal".  ..

    TRUE STORY...well by that answer you just shifted that  icing on cream question to Hajji Muhammad al-Afghani., Same question again .. where did Muhammad al-Afghani got that ice cream to put icing on it.. lol.. anyways


    Your question was either ill-phrased or nonsensical, so I decided to answer in whimsy.



    So today's news  on that subject says  Majority of Pakistanis want government to Islamise society: Gallup Poll
    So there is a looooooooonnnngggggg  way to go for people like you dear Klingschor., So close 80% of 160million people of Pakistan says 'Islamize the country"..

    I just don't know what Islamization  means.. do you??


    Pakistan is a clusterfuck of Ethnic, Tribal, Sectarian and Politic conflict – it’s natural for people to turn to a Religion for solace: The Middle East tried Nationalism first (and whilst it succeeded in independence from colonialism, it failed overall), then Socialism (which failed), and then Islamism (which is failing). Now, however, people in the Middle East appear to be trying out Democracy – there may be hope after all :-)
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #20 - June 04, 2011, 02:23 AM

    Western media? Seriously?  Roll Eyes Where were the cameras of CNN and the BBC when there were protests after the brutal murder of Khaled Saeed in Egypt? Or when the people were protesting about high food prices. Western media like their politicians jumped on the revolution bandwagon when they realised the events taking place would change the face of the middle east. Even now the protests in Bahrain and Yemen are being ignored but will be highlighted only when something major happens.  The Internet and Al-Jazeera played a bigger and better role. Fuck mainstream western media.


    I was actually referring to the influx of Western cinema, television and literature that has seeped into the Middle East, and has changed the cultural zeitgeist of the younger generations. Iran is a case in point, and the Arab states appear to be going down the same road. Silly Aphrodite  Roll Eyes
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #21 - June 04, 2011, 02:24 AM

    It is impossible to get rid of all faith. There is no possibility of having complete knowledge about everything - somewhere along the line one will have to make a leap of faith, whether religious or naturalist.


    Are you implying that Naturalism is just as Faith-Based as Religion?
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #22 - June 04, 2011, 02:26 AM

    This is a really great video, thanks.


    Dankeshoen - I got sick of listening to spurious crap about Muslim Immigration, so I went and did some proper research.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #23 - June 04, 2011, 04:12 AM

    Are you implying that Naturalism is just as Faith-Based as Religion?


    Well, there are no degrees of faith, something is either true or not. To the extent that no theory on metaphysics can be conclusively proven to be true, every metaphysical theory is equivalent. This is not to say that naturalism is false. Using our limited and very human reasoning, it is entirely understandable to find the empirical principles of naturalism to be useful in navigating the world, but it would be incorrect to call it true.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #24 - June 04, 2011, 07:28 AM

    Sophistry aside, do you think faith is exhibited in degrees?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #25 - June 04, 2011, 01:36 PM

    I can't speak for z10, but I would say faith is exhibited discretely... we all makes leaps of faith for our ideas, but some people make many more per particular notion. But I'm willing to change my mind on this...
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #26 - June 04, 2011, 03:32 PM

    But do you think faith is exhibited in degrees?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #27 - June 04, 2011, 03:51 PM

    I think the definition of 'degree' would include... a continuum - so, technically, no. A leap of faith is a leap of faith. (Assuming that we are using the word in the sense of a concious acceptance of... unproven assumption.) That, say, the scientific method relies on leaps of faith is pretty evident I would think, just by reading the peerless genius of Isaac Newton inventing it (pretty much), "We are to assume that.... bla bla bla". But certainly belief in, say, Islam/Allah, requires many more leaps of faith*. So pedantry/BS aside, I would agree with you if you're implying that all ideas are not created equal.

    *Edit: Though of course that tends not to be faith as defined above^ - Muslims generally believe that their belief in Allah is perfectly logical and supported by evidence.
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #28 - June 04, 2011, 03:54 PM

    The " degrees" of faith aren't related to faith itself but to the distance between what is known and what is claimed to be " true".

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: can islam be prevented from vanquishing civilization ?
     Reply #29 - June 04, 2011, 03:57 PM

    Yes, I do agree with her, but as I said I believed it to be a discontinuous quantity, I think it would be technically wrong to say they were 'degrees'. At least by my understanding of the word.
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