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  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #60 - June 17, 2011, 07:30 PM

    Boo. The first politically correct offering so far.


    This comes from a person who has been through it all.She's an ex-Christian and an ex-Muslim so she was an insider who is now indulging in a kind of OBE.
    Just because she put it politely doesn't make it PC.
    Though modern Christianity has been defanged, at the theological level there's very little to differentiate between the two. Both are full of supremacist BS. Probably Christianity does it more subtly. Whether they preach love or hate the stink of exclusivism is always in the background.The way most of the modern churches seem to function is a big blasphemy in itself!It's all about money and politics!
    Christian fundies can be as rabid as the Islamists!


    Roll Eyes

    Yeah pointing out the truth-- how PC.

     
    Methinks you got it right dude! I think David was trying to tease JnT LOL!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #61 - June 17, 2011, 07:32 PM

    I'm not Christian either but I can see why and would promote Muslims converting to a religion that is reformed and drops violent verses in the Old Testament. Modern, decent Christianity, is really the opposite of Islam as a faith: positivity, love, unity and emotional well being and still allowing a person to question, even God himself. I'd much rather if people need a faith, be part of one that is progressive and keep them open to the idea of becoming an atheist rather than one which completely goes against any questioning of a silly book or deity. And don't give me the Quran burning pastor rubbish - I mean the very good Christians who say things like, "I'll pray for you" when they mean they care for you. This is what makes certain religions a virtue. Islam is not, even per se it is not.


    Oh I'll give you the Quran burning pastor rubbish cause that's the kind of Christianity I was raised around (but luckily not under). Live in the Southern US for a while or even Western Pennsylvania, or, even worse, Africa, and tell me Christianity is reformed, modernized, and all that lovey-dovey bullshit.

    There's all sorts of shit in the Old Testament, but the Christianity I was brought up with (and strangely never believed in) was all about the New Testament. Love thy neighbour, turn the other cheek, prodigal son, that sort of stuff. All good.

    The Old Testament was like a kind of Grimm's fairy tales, full of excellent, gruesome stories, but not really what it was all about.


    See above sir. I grant you in Europe Christianity is tamed, but that is not necessarily the case in the Americas and Africa. Just look at the Uganda legislation to make homosexuality a capital crime-- that's being pushed by Christians largely.

    And while I do understand that in your neck of the world it's the Muslim crazies who are a threat to secular society and institutions, in mine it's the Christian crazies. I wish you limeys would stop for a second to consider there's a world beyond your little island and even the boundaries of Europe and that's where most of the people in it live.

    This comes from a person who has been through it all.She's an ex-Christian and an ex-Muslim so she was an insider who is now indulging in a kind of OBE.
    Just because she put it politely doesn't make it PC.
    Though modern Christianity has been defanged, at the theological level there's very little to differentiate between the two. Both are full of supremacist BS. Probably Christianity does it more subtly. Whether they preach love or hate the stink of exclusivism is always in the background.The way most of the modern churches seem to function is a big blasphemy in itself!It's all about money and politics!
    Christian fundies can be as rabid as the Islamists!


    ^^^This. JNT lives in a rural part of the US and has seen how shitty fundamentalist Christianity can be too. So she's got experience on the insanity of both religions that most here don't have.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #62 - June 17, 2011, 07:36 PM

    I saw a doc ages ago where the vicar said to his congregation 'it's Ramadan time, let's pray for our Muslim brothers and sisters' and I thought actually that was really nice.  


    I can relate, I've actually heard a pastor once say, "So I'm going to say something a bit controversial. I think that if Muslims and Jews are believing in the same God, then we are all the same", in England. Now - out of the many, many, many Mosques I've been to all around the world, I've never heard of an Imam that even talks mildly positive about Christians let alone even neutrally about Jews! Because in Islam, it is "Us Vs Them". The issue really is at root cultural level these days. To bunch all religions as once is highly disingenuous I think.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #63 - June 17, 2011, 07:39 PM

    I wish you limeys would stop for a second to consider there's a world beyond your little island and even the boundaries of Europe and that's where most of the people in it live.

    I was born and brought up in Africa (Nigeria, Ethiopia, Ghana). I spend 3-4 months a year in Caribbean Nicaragua. In two weeks I'll be in Japan.


    30% 0f Americans have a passport.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #64 - June 17, 2011, 07:44 PM

    Good for you, but you're still taking a parochial worldview of the situation when clearly there are many parts of the world where Christianity remains a threat to progress, equal rights, liberty, and civilized society. And I'm not trying to say that we Yanks are any more cosmopolitan.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #65 - June 17, 2011, 07:47 PM

    I grant you in Europe Christianity is tamed ...

    Tamed - yes, but not completely de-fanged. Vatican (and various national Orthodox churches) still try and assert their views and politics on state level as much as they can via various special agreements with European governments etc.  
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #66 - June 17, 2011, 07:48 PM

    I'm not Christian either but I can see why and would promote Muslims converting to a religion that is reformed and drops violent verses in the Old Testament. Modern, decent Christianity, is really the opposite of Islam as a faith: positivity, love, unity and emotional well being and still allowing a person to question, even God himself. I'd much rather if people need a faith, be part of one that is progressive and keep them open to the idea of becoming an atheist rather than one which completely goes against any questioning of a silly book or deity. And don't give me the Quran burning pastor rubbish - I mean the very good Christians who say things like, "I'll pray for you" when they mean they care for you. This is what makes certain religions a virtue. Islam is not, even per se it is not.


    I can empathize with what you say,but this whole thing about any religion being a sufficient and necessary condition for a person to do good and be a decent human being makes me a bit uneasy.Inf act the reality is the exact opposite:
    All religious people are not good and all good people are not religious,so religion is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for goodness.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #67 - June 17, 2011, 07:53 PM

    Totally agree that Christian fundies can be just as rabid as the Islamists. And yes, Christianity, for all it's supposed messages of love and forgiveness, certainly doesn't apply that when it comes to homosexuality in many Christian African countries such as Uganda. All religions ultimately pay heed to the 'my club is better than your club' exclusivism mentality which is what I don't like about religion. The Roman Catholic Church has got to be one of the most corrupt institutions of all time, yet they still promote and preach their doctrine of love and peace for all-unless you get an abortion that is, identify as gay, get a divorce or use contraception, even if the partner has AIDS! I'm just saying that some religions' PR is more successful at promoting love and peace, even if in practice, there's barely any difference between the two.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #68 - June 17, 2011, 07:58 PM

    All religious people are not good and all good people are not religious,so religion is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for goodness.



    Yes I agree with this. Is this a quote from someone? It sounds familiar.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #69 - June 17, 2011, 08:14 PM

    I can empathize with what you say,but this whole thing about any religion being a sufficient and necessary condition for a person to do good and be a decent human being makes me a bit uneasy.


    Smiley Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying religion is necessary for a person. I'm just saying if people have a biological yearning for one - then I'd recommend certain ones over others. As I say, one of the best qualities (and ironically, the reason why Christianity is dying out in the UK) is because it does give a mind a lot more freedom to think. The opinion here is more of a pragmatic one.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #70 - June 17, 2011, 08:17 PM

    you're still taking a parochial worldview of the situation when clearly there are many parts of the world where Christianity remains a threat to progress, equal rights, liberty, and civilized society.

    I'm not, actually, but you're right of course.

    As a matter of fact Europeans are much more willing to ridicule fundamentalist Christians (especially when American) than fundamentalist Muslims. Out of fear? Out of ignorance? Out of condescension? Who knows.

    The sad thing is that the Christian south of Nigeria is more prosperous and progressive than the Muslim north.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #71 - June 17, 2011, 08:25 PM

    Smiley Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying religion is necessary for a person. I'm just saying if people have a biological yearning for one - then I'd recommend certain ones over others. As I say, one of the best qualities (and ironically, the reason why Christianity is dying out in the UK) is because it does give a mind a lot more freedom to think. The opinion here is more of a pragmatic one.


    You just hate yourself and your background and get your knees dirty for the social and political conservatives cause you wanna be a proper White Englishman, Uncle Tariq-- that's the only reason you cum all over the place for Christianity but want the state to discriminate against Muslims-- your arguments are merely intellectual rationalizations for a purely personal issue, which is why they're so damn easy for anyone with an IQ above 70 to refute.

    As a matter of fact Europeans are much more willing to ridicule fundamentalist Christians (especially when American) than fundamentalist Muslims.


    Oh sure I got no beef with that statement.

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    Out of fear? Out of ignorance? Out of condescension? Who knows.


    Probably all three with some guilt and PC orthodoxy thrown in there too.

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    The sad thing is that the Christian south of Nigeria is more prosperous and progressive than the Muslim north.


    Okay, but I'm not sure one can draw any conclusions from that without considering other conditions and variables. ESPECIALLY given that most of Nigeria petroleum production is in the South.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #72 - June 17, 2011, 08:26 PM

    Totally agree that Christian fundies can be just as rabid as the Islamists. And yes, Christianity, for all it's supposed messages of love and forgiveness, certainly doesn't apply that when it comes to homosexuality in many Christian African countries such as Uganda. All religions ultimately pay heed to the 'my club is better than your club' exclusivism mentality which is what I don't like about religion. The Roman Catholic Church has got to be one of the most corrupt institutions of all time, yet they still promote and preach their doctrine of love and peace for all-unless you get an abortion that is, identify as gay, get a divorce or use contraception, even if the partner has AIDS! I'm just saying that some religions' PR is more successful at promoting love and peace, even if in practice, there's barely any difference between the two.


    Well put  Cheesy

    Though I think it's more than just PR - the way in which there are many strands of Christianity goes to show the level of autonomy that exists. E.g. some strands of Christianity support gay bishops or the acceptance of contraception. The way in which this autonomy allows the splits and evolving nature of different sects can lead to a better, progressive faiths. As such, such followers have much more chance in being a) general positively (i.e. more unity, less division, etc) b) more likely to accept science and c) accept modern values like equality (which many Muslims still struggle with I think).
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #73 - June 17, 2011, 11:01 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Im way ahead of ya, David

    \
    Ive travelled to.... Canada, USA, Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama,
    Hawaii, Wake Island (now THAT was a trip!), Japan, Philippines, Korea,
    USSR, Turkey, Greece, Spain, Italy, some of the slovic countries, Austria,
    Switzerland, Germany, Luxembourg, Belgium, England, France, Holland,
    ....and thats off the top of my head, I think there are more places lol.


    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #74 - June 17, 2011, 11:10 PM

    Yes, xianity can definitely be as toxic.  The xian cult I was in was an example.

    Short and sweet of it, its the "fear factor" in  BOTH!  I was in a hardcore
    regimented holiness pentecostal cult for ten years.  It sucked! LOL

    My answer was not pc, in fact, if I had said that to either extreme, I would
    either be exorcised (by both), OR prepared for beheading by one, and
    handed three nails and a hammer by the other.

    Now, David, if you were to say.... ask me how I FELT about either one,
    you might get a different answer    Cheesy

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #75 - June 17, 2011, 11:23 PM

      Im way ahead of ya, David

    Not sure you are, actually, but travelling's hugely over-rated.

    It's living somewhere, or repeatedly going back somewhere, that teaches you stuff.


    Not that I ever learn.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #76 - June 17, 2011, 11:26 PM

    umm david.. i didnt move to the states until i was 17.
    Im not gonna hijack this thread tho, but would love to
    exchange travel and living experiences some time in
    chat maybe? Smiley

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #77 - June 17, 2011, 11:29 PM

    I was in a hardcore
    regimented holiness pentecostal cult for ten years.  
     ask me how I FELT about either one,
    you might get a different answer  

    I'm sorry you had a shit time in a joyless cult, but this thread is about describing Islam in a sentence.

    We all know other religions are basically crap, but that wasn't the point... of this thread at least.


    Ps. I hate arguing.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #78 - June 17, 2011, 11:39 PM

    Yeah, and she gave her sentence and rather then respecting it you accused her of being PC. End of.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #79 - June 17, 2011, 11:53 PM

    A religion that places ridiculous limitations both on an individual's personality and the amazing possibilities and opportunities in life.

    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #80 - June 17, 2011, 11:55 PM

    ^
    Probably not very well-rounded, but that's what I'm thinking about lately and the thing that stands out to me the most because it always frustrated me the most.

    Like, oh, I can't be a musician (even just for fun/as a side project) because... music is fucking haraam and I just can't do it. Don't even discover your talent or potential, because you are NOT ALLOWED!!!  finmad

    Fuck that, I can do whatever I want now and will to my full potential.

    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #81 - June 17, 2011, 11:56 PM

    Has nothing to do with love, and everything to do with cowardice.

    What are you talking? something is wrong with you., Winton Dupree you are not thinking etal..

    Did I say this to you reverend??
    Quote
    I have received the following endorsement from yeezevee:
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    no..no he is not commie bastard.. he is the man of stateless society with foul mouth and his religion is Anarchism


     I think by looking at this picture and previous pictures of you



    and For "Not thinking" about my words., I am going to demote you from a "man of Stateless society"  to  a "chicken fucker"

    What is the matter with you? I am NOT talking about  9/10 year old girls/boys and I am not talking about 19 year old kid who financially dependent on their parents.  I am talking about HighOctane an independent person.  There are some people in this world who  don't want hurt their old folks and their feelings on this rubbish religions and rituals Winton Dupree. After all it is their belief  and their life, why hurt them if they are NOT interfering with your life?

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    You obviously have not read the Bible. It's every bit as bad as the Quran in that regard and arguably worse.

    that is True.,  I have NOT read as much as I have read Quran/Hadith and sunnah.. BUT I AM WILLING TO READ with you Reverend., You have to realize here, irrespective of what is there in bible OT, NT  and Quran  we have role Models for these three religions. Unfortunately whether they are real or Imaginary, The character of Islamic Prophet described in Islam by Muslim is way way below than the other two. In fact the guy comes out as out right criminal Rev. Winton Dupree.,  

    You can say none of them were prophets.. some are gay.. but Prophet of Islam is a out of the world character and should be put in jail.

    That is what I call as freedom in Islam..




    Go screw yourself Mullah baboons.. I have head scarf on me..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #82 - June 18, 2011, 12:01 AM

    I'm sorry you had a shit time in a joyless cult, but this thread is about describing Islam in a sentence.

    We all know other religions are basically crap, but that wasn't the point... of this thread at least.


    Ps. I hate arguing.


    David, you are so precious.  And you endear me to no end.
    You were never a muslim, and yet, you have alot to say
    on this thread dont you?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #83 - June 18, 2011, 12:04 AM

    David, you are so precious.  And you endear me to no end.
    You were never a muslim, and yet, you have alot to say
    on this thread dont you?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


    Maybe he secretly always wanted to be one? 001_tongue

    It is pretty difficult to say no to 72 houris. Cheesy
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #84 - June 18, 2011, 12:28 AM

    All those houris can't hold a candle to the person in your avatar! Tongue

    The return of Zaiba ?



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #85 - June 18, 2011, 12:32 AM

    Are you flirting with Zaiba hypo?   whistling2

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #86 - June 18, 2011, 12:43 AM

    I shall leave it to your imagination! Lmao
    Yeah! come to think of it she's 'flirt worthy',even if she gets a bit touchy at times!
    Hell! A guy can't even give a genuine compliment without someone smelling a rat! finmad
    Check for Islam infection Maya you seem to be seeing conspiracies in unlikely places! Cheesy



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #87 - June 18, 2011, 12:47 AM

    Oh did I smell a rat?    Hmmmm..... remind me never to flirt with you then.  Cheesy

    Any nice men wanna flirt with me?   Kiss

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #88 - June 18, 2011, 12:51 AM

    All those houris can't hold a candle to the person in your avatar! Tongue

    The return of Zaiba ?


    Oh me likes Wink is this you making up for that mean mean comment you made on my avatar yesterday? 001_tongue

    Are you flirting with Zaiba hypo?   whistling2


    How can one resist? 001_tongue
  • Re: Describe Islam in One Sentence
     Reply #89 - June 18, 2011, 12:52 AM

    Oh did I smell a rat?    Hmmmm..... remind me never to flirt with you then.  Cheesy

    Any nice men wanna flirt with me?   Kiss


    Maya me wants to flirt with you. Wink But i'm no man, i'm better than a man dance
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