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  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #30 - June 21, 2011, 08:01 PM
    I did wonder if he'd been here before, considering the tone of some of his posts, but did he actually post under either of those accounts  Huh?
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #31 - June 21, 2011, 08:04 PM
    Under one of them.  Anyway forget about him, we'll decide what to do with him later.

    So...organ donations then. 
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  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #32 - June 21, 2011, 08:22 PM
    If even one child can be saved, we should all be registered donors. Really, that's the least we can do and requires the least effort - no effort, since you're dead anyway. From death, life.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #33 - June 21, 2011, 08:33 PM
    Just to play devil's advocate (and to ask convenience questions which I'm sure there are answers to):
    - what if your liver goes to someone who's abused their body over someone who hasn't?
    - what if your organ goes to someone you don't approve of, e.g. a mastermind criminal
    - what if you are prolonging someone who's just not fit for life and is costing more money in the long run?

    On the other hand - I think we should all not only be donors, but pass our biomass for further scientific investigation. Example:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005907/So-thats-happens-donate-body-science--600-peoples-remains-buried-single-grave.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #34 - June 21, 2011, 08:41 PM
    I've registered for organ donation a few months ago but I still haven't gotten a card  Huh?

    I think my mum would throw a wobbler if she found out... she goes loopy over anything she doesn't understand. I think it's the 'desi melodramatic parent syndrome'.

    However as an ex-JW, my next big milestone is to donate blood. I'm really looking forward to that  Smiley
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #35 - June 21, 2011, 09:00 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on June 21, 2011, 08:33 PM
    Just to play devil's advocate (and to ask convenience questions which I'm sure there are answers to):
    - what if your liver goes to someone who's abused their body over someone who hasn't?
    - what if your organ goes to someone you don't approve of, e.g. a mastermind criminal
    - what if you are prolonging someone who's just not fit for life and is costing more money in the long run?

    None of these arguments are very compelling, really.

    All manner of people abuse their body. Good people, bad people, average people. People also grow out of bad habits. Addicts turn turn their life around. There is always a chance a person can change even without a massive life changing operation. I have done. And who knows, the gift of a second chance at life might even inspire them to change if they wouldn't have otherwise. But anyway, who doesn't abuse their body a little bit?

    And no amount of money is more valuable than a life. That's a no-brainer.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #36 - June 21, 2011, 09:55 PM
    On a related note. I think I read there are drugs the NHS doesn't buy to save one live of a similar characteristic when they can save hundreds more of similar people. I don't have exact details - but I think money can be placed on lives. It's horrible to think there is more market value on one person more than another ... but I think there is ....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-should-not-save-patients-lives-if-it-costs-too-much-says-watchdog-891501.html

    Anways ...
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  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #37 - June 21, 2011, 09:57 PM
    Quote from: Poopycock on June 21, 2011, 08:41 PM
    I think it's the 'desi melodramatic parent syndrome'.


    LOL - btw, there is also another pattern, "Begum syndrome"
    http://archive.student.bmj.com/back_issues/1001/careers/380.html
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  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #38 - June 21, 2011, 10:20 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on June 21, 2011, 09:55 PM
    I think money can be placed on lives. It's horrible to think there is more market value on one person more than another ... but I think there is...

    Who even talks like this?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #39 - June 21, 2011, 10:31 PM
    lol @ market value. On a related note, HighOctane, I've wanted to ask you for a while whether you think the 'worth' of immigrants lies in anything other than their economic contribution to the state?
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #40 - June 21, 2011, 10:36 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on June 21, 2011, 10:20 PM
    Who even talks like this?


    Scumbag capitalists who have zero empathy for other human beings as long as it serves the "greater good" as they view it in their twisted little minds.

    But back on topic-- Ishina, I have an organ I'd like to donate to you.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #41 - June 21, 2011, 10:44 PM
    Smooth.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #42 - June 21, 2011, 10:45 PM
     grin12
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #43 - June 21, 2011, 10:51 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on June 21, 2011, 09:55 PM
    On a related note. I think I read there are drugs the NHS doesn't buy to save one live of a similar characteristic when they can save hundreds more of similar people. I don't have exact details - but I think money can be placed on lives. It's horrible to think there is more market value on one person more than another ... but I think there is ....


    I don't see how that's placing more value on one person's life than another  Huh? It's just putting more value on a greater number of lives as compared with a lesser number.
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #44 - June 21, 2011, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on June 21, 2011, 09:55 PM
    On a related note. I think I read there are drugs the NHS doesn't buy to save one live of a similar characteristic when they can save hundreds more of similar people. I don't have exact details - but I think money can be placed on lives. It's horrible to think there is more market value on one person more than another ... but I think there is ....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-should-not-save-patients-lives-if-it-costs-too-much-says-watchdog-891501.html

    Anways ...


    Could you please elaborate on that statement?
    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #45 - June 21, 2011, 11:14 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on June 21, 2011, 10:51 PM
    I don't see how that's placing more value on one person's life than another  Huh? It's just putting more value on a greater number of lives as compared with a lesser number.


    The article wasn't a good example.

    If a doctor has two patients needing blood - one a criminal (highly unlikely to change) and an important (say a biologist who's on the verge of finding a cure of a major source of cancer) ... who has more value?

    I think lives are valued so low they are given life sentences or worse death penalties (not that I agree with that - just pointing it out here). Should someone on death row get a liver over an average teenager with his/her life ahead of his/herself and likely to follow in their parent's footsteps as a decent citizen?

    I suppose this isn't really a (heated) discussion to dive into ... best to choose (flame) wars wisely.
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  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #46 - June 21, 2011, 11:26 PM
    I don't see what that has to do with the statement "what if you are prolonging someone who's just not fit for life and is costing more money in the long run?" Costing more money than what? You make it sound like you're comparing their economic contribution with the cost of their healthcare.
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #47 - June 22, 2011, 12:00 AM
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life

    Yeah, I went there.

    I think HO would have made a great Eichmann. All kind and polite and smiling as he happily signs orders for new train cars at his desk to transport Jews to Auschwitz.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #48 - June 22, 2011, 02:05 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on June 21, 2011, 07:56 PM
    Says the boy with three accounts on this forum.  Roll Eyes  Take a posting holiday Bane, aka The Game, aka The Witchking.


    Did he post from any of those accounts? and can he not use the: "My sister uses the same internet connection in the house, and she created the other accounts" clause, like Zaiba did the other day?
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  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #49 - June 22, 2011, 02:15 PM
    So lets see, old billy down the road who drinks moonshine all day, does not give a crap about anyone else maybe even rapes his daughter, has the same value as a Nobel Laureate? If yes, please explain how so?
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  • Re: Organ Donation
     Reply #50 - June 22, 2011, 02:20 PM
    Fucking hell man, you guys need to realize it a mean tough world out there, not some socialist utopia. And it will never be that, how boring would that be? it would be more mind-numbing them Christian heaven.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ7HZATMKBY

    You can't just hand out free services and money to the poor expecting them to become geniuses. That is an argument of correlation. Extremely wealthy folk travel in private jets, giving privet jets to the poor is not going to make them wealthy. This is the fundamental problem with Marxist Socialism, and the irony is, the whole philosophy founded by Marx was for the elite and intellectuals of the society, he wasn't writing it for the average joe working in the factory.
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