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  • Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     OP - June 28, 2011, 01:53 PM
    http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2011/06/28/dutch_set_to_ban_religious_animal_slaughter/
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  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #1 - June 28, 2011, 05:04 PM
    The bill passed the Dutch parliament this afternoon. Slaughtering animal without stunning before will be illegal, like in more European countries. Now the Juice will have to import their meat from Tel Aviv, and the Muslims from, say, Casablanca (import of meat slaughtered in no matter which way is still legal.
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #2 - June 28, 2011, 05:09 PM
    Now the Muzlims will have to slaughter their animals in the bathrooms,- like the pioneers (who first came to Europe) did. Netherlands is so naive to think the Muzlims will no longer eat meat or that they will buy non-halal meat now the bill has passed.
    Importing is not a possibility due to very high costs.
    I shouldn't be here. Really. Shaytan SWT deluded ALL of us. Amen.
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #3 - June 28, 2011, 05:16 PM
    They used to do that in the past, and by now it's nearly impossible to slaughter your own animals. Most Muslims will take meat slaughtered the Islamic way from stunned animals. Only islamists have a slight problem.
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #4 - June 28, 2011, 05:18 PM
    I wouldn't call it a 'slight problem', although they would much rather eat stunned meat than no meat.
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  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #5 - June 28, 2011, 05:45 PM
    How about them installing bomb girdles around their animal's neck, and send them to their enemies? These animals are surely halal, being martyrs, and may be eaten...
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #6 - June 28, 2011, 05:50 PM
    Quote from: MnfqKfrMrtd on June 28, 2011, 05:09 PM
    Now the Muzlims will have to slaughter their animals in the bathrooms,- like the pioneers (who first came to Europe) did. Netherlands is so naive to think the Muzlims will no longer eat meat or that they will buy non-halal meat now the bill has passed.
    Importing is not a possibility due to very high costs.


    Since when was slaughtering animals an easy thing to do in the bathroom in the west? 

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  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #7 - June 28, 2011, 05:50 PM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on June 28, 2011, 05:45 PM
    How about them installing bomb girdles around their animal's neck, and send them to their enemies? These animals are surely halal, being martyrs, and may be eaten...


    Is every post of yours going to be so FFI'ish?
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  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #8 - June 28, 2011, 05:52 PM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on June 28, 2011, 05:45 PM
    How about them installing bomb girdles around their animal's neck, and send them to their enemies? These animals are surely halal, being martyrs, and may be eaten...


    I don't find that funny to be honest, there's a difference between sheep religious followers wanting to obey 'Allah's commands' because they were indoctrinated/programmed to do that and terrorists, comparing both is pretty much what assfaces like Wilders and Robert Spencer do.
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  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #9 - June 28, 2011, 05:57 PM
    I agree, and it wasn't meant to be funny. Where is the border between "religious followers" and "terrorists" ? How can people make that difference?
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #10 - June 28, 2011, 05:59 PM
    Terrorists = people who use violence to subvert the rule of law.

    Religious followers = people who believe in a sky fairy.

    Its not rocket science.   Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #11 - June 28, 2011, 05:59 PM
    Terrorist=people who actively pursue and contribute directly to the death of innocent civilians. Religious followers=people who believe in a religious system and aim to follow it's commands. Terrorists are sometimes religious (although most terrorists are political/other ideological) but 99+% followers of any religion (incl. Islam) are not terrorists.

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  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #12 - June 28, 2011, 06:25 PM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on June 28, 2011, 05:57 PM
    I agree, and it wasn't meant to be funny. Where is the border between "religious followers" and "terrorists" ? How can people make that difference?

    Did you mean that as it has been taken or have you just phrased it poorly? We all say silly things sometimes without realising and its a right bitch having to admit it, but generally for the best...Smiley
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #13 - June 28, 2011, 06:36 PM
    Also, fucking excellent news with regards the ban on ritualistic slaughter of non-pre-stunned meat. (I await Q's strong disagreement!)

    This looks very far off (read: it ain't gonna happen) in the UK. However, the next best thing is to inform consumers in order that they can make their own decisions in accordance with their own moral position. In this respect, please see the post below and write to your MEP (template letter provided) requesting that they support the pending legislation on meat labelling:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=15456.msg427868#msg427868
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #14 - June 28, 2011, 07:20 PM
    Quote from: chris on June 28, 2011, 06:36 PM
    Also, fucking excellent news with regards the ban on ritualistic slaughter of non-pre-stunned meat. (I await Q's strong disagreement!)


    Well, I wouldn't call it a strong disagreement. Tongue But I don't see why people get so worked up over this shit. Seems like a meaningless bourgeois concern to me. There's nothing particularly inhumane about halal slaughter. I think the people who get worked up over this shit need to spend some time on a farm or hunting and kill an animal with their own hands, so they can understand there's not a clean, perfectly humane way to kill an animal for food.

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    This looks very far off (read: it ain't gonna happen) in the UK. However, the next best thing is to inform consumers in order that they can make their own decisions in accordance with their own moral position. In this respect, please see the post below and write to your MEP (template letter provided) requesting that they support the pending legislation on meat labelling:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=15456.msg427868#msg427868


    Next best thing? Letting consumers make an informed decision actually sounds like a better option to me than banning it. Blanket government bans on things tend to be the brainchild of the authoritarian, the lazy, the unimaginative, the puritanical, and the undemocratic. Some things need blanket bans, but I'd say most don't, and that the bans often end up being counterproductive (e.g. Drug War).

    That being said although I would oppose a ban, I likely would not strongly oppose it. The interest of justice in this case is low, as are potential risks in banning, and given all the other shit going on, I don't consider it to be a high priority on either side. Still amazes me how many people get worked up over animal rights and do very little to help humans.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #15 - June 28, 2011, 07:32 PM
    Just pure idiocy, you're just going to end up increasing trade from despot Muslim countries.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #16 - June 28, 2011, 07:32 PM
    Quote from: chris on June 28, 2011, 06:25 PM
    Did you mean that as it has been taken or have you just phrased it poorly? We all say silly things sometimes without realising and its a right bitch having to admit it, but generally for the best...Smiley


    I find it difficult to make the difference. All terrorists are religious followers I think, and as far as I experienced so far, all "religious followers" at least support terrorists, although they would not do it themselves.
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #17 - June 28, 2011, 07:44 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on June 28, 2011, 07:32 PM
    Just pure idiocy, you're just going to end up increasing trade from despot Muslim countries.


    Don't worry, I'm sure someone will develop new legislation to fix the harm caused by the old legislation, and newer legislation to fix the harm caused by the previous legislation, and so on... Tongue
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #18 - June 28, 2011, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on June 28, 2011, 07:32 PM
    All terrorists are religious followers I think,


    You think wrong. Modern terrorism started with secular organizations-- LTTE, PLO, IRA, anarchists, Red Brigades, RAF, etc. and is still practiced by some secular organizations. The largest terrorist attack on US soil prior to 9/11 had no religious motivation, and Europe's counterterrorism forces were organized as a response to a series of secular terrorist attacks throughout the late 1960s to mid-80s, not violent Islamists.

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    and as far as I experienced so far, all "religious followers" at least support terrorists, although they would not do it themselves.


    Then your experience is either very limited or very skewed (or both).

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #19 - June 28, 2011, 07:59 PM
    1. I forgot to include "Muslim" when describing these terrorists. Fortuyn was killed by aa animal rights terrorist, whom you could regard as a kind of religious follower, only another "religion".

    2. I have watched lots of Muslim followers marching through the streets, and supporting Muslim terrorists openly.

    Now, where is my experience skewed or limited?
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #20 - June 28, 2011, 08:05 PM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on June 28, 2011, 07:59 PM
    1. I forgot to include "Muslim" when describing these terrorists. Fortuyn was killed by aa animal rights terrorist, whom you could regard as a kind of religious follower, only another "religion".


    No, a religion is a religion. Secular ideologies are secular ideologies. You can call them religions all you want and in some cases they may share certain aspects of a religion, but if there's no central component of belief in the supernatural then it can't be called a religion in the proper sense.

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    2. I have watched lots of Muslim followers marching through the streets, and supporting Muslim terrorists openly.

    Now, where is my experience skewed or limited?


     Roll Eyes People who attend demonstrations cannot be considered a representative sample of an entire religious group. That fact you seem to think they can indicates a major flaw in your reasoning.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #21 - June 28, 2011, 08:05 PM
    Modern terrorism started with secular groups but the genesis of modern terrorism was the invention of modern explosives.  Secular terrorism just just in vogue when modern explosives were invented.  Terrorism itself has been going on forever in various forms, secular and religious.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #22 - June 28, 2011, 08:09 PM
    Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on June 28, 2011, 07:20 PM
    That being said although I would oppose a ban, I likely would not strongly oppose it. The interest of justice in this case is low, as are potential risks in banning, and given all the other shit going on, I don't consider it to be a high priority on either side. Still amazes me how many people get worked up over animal rights and do very little to help humans.

    Dearest Qman,

    As for anti-discrimination law, I ask that you (at least) take the argument on the grounds of religious privilege. The Welfare of Animals (Slaughter or Killing) Regulations 1995 mandate the pre-stunning of animals for slaughter. The law is already in force and everyone must adhere to it. Everyone except for Jews and Muslims. At this point I must insert the obligatory, what the fuck?! The law must be secular. Oh fuck, rant has to terminate prematurely - Luther just started on BBC1 (it's my one piece of trash TV a week, don't judge me!)
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #23 - June 28, 2011, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on June 28, 2011, 08:05 PM
    Modern terrorism started with secular groups but the genesis of modern terrorism was the invention of modern explosives.  Secular terrorism just just in vogue when modern explosives were invented.  Terrorism itself has been going on forever in various forms, secular and religious.


    No dispute with that deusvult. Just making the point that it's an extreme error to make a generalization that all, or even most, terrorism is religiously-motivated. Historical evidence shows otherwise.

    Quote from: chris on June 28, 2011, 08:09 PM
    Dearest Qman,

    As for anti-discrimination law, I ask that you (at least) take the argument on the grounds of religious privilege. The Welfare of Animals (Slaughter or Killing) Regulations 1995 mandate the pre-stunning of animals for slaughter. The law is already in force and everyone must adhere to it. Everyone except for Jews and Muslims. At this point I must insert the obligatory, what the fuck?! The law must be secular. Oh fuck, rant has to terminate prematurely - Luther just started on BBC1 (it's my one piece of trash TV a week, don't judge me!)


    Okay, in that case point ceded. I would not oppose the law on that basis, then, even if I consider the whole matter to be a trifle anyways.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #24 - June 28, 2011, 08:12 PM
    Can someone explain the difference to me . When I was Muslim I was taught that halal meat was much better as the process is done quickly and the same with kosher . I also heard that it takes the animal longer to die when its stunned that true?
    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #25 - June 28, 2011, 08:17 PM
    Quote from: ChinaDoll on June 28, 2011, 08:12 PM
    I also heard that it takes the animal longer to die when its stunned that true?


    I suppose it's possible. If unconscious the animal would probably bleed out slower, but I'm not sure that more rapid exanguination, and thus, more rapid death, would necessarily be more humane than bleeding out the animal while it's already unconscious. I suppose it would depend on whether or not the animal could or does regain consciousness when its throat is cut or at any point thereafter prior to death. If not, then I would assume stunning prior to exsanguination to be a marginally more humane method of slaughter.

    Problem is it's hard to get an unbiased source on this shit-- seems like all the "evidence" is either coming from Jews/Muslims or animal rights activists, and given their agendas, I don't trust either source.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #26 - June 28, 2011, 08:19 PM
    I am not an expert, but I see that most experts in the West are in favour of slaughtering after stunning, and most Jewish and Muslum experts are in favour of unstunned slaughter. Believe whatever you like. Belief or science? None of them is perfect....
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #27 - June 28, 2011, 08:20 PM
    Who are these "experts in the West" of which you speak?
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #28 - June 28, 2011, 08:27 PM
    Don't expect me to have a listing of surveys. The Dutch government has acquired as many of these surveys as possible before they decided that unstunned religious slaughtering was less "friendly" to animals then the mainstream way.
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Netherlands to ban religious slaughter
     Reply #29 - June 28, 2011, 08:30 PM
    Any evidence or strong reasoning would be appreciated. Actually that goes for all of your posts.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
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