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  • Question: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
  • Yes - 5 (27.8%)
  • No - 13 (72.2%)
  • Total Voters: 18

 Topic: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?

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  • Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     OP - July 07, 2011, 12:25 PM

    Part 1 of 3 - During her lifetime Mother Teresa had become synonymous with saintliness. But in 1994, three years before her death, journalist Christopher Hitchens made this provocative film asking if her reputation was deserved.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ0i3nCx60

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #1 - July 07, 2011, 12:45 PM

    Part 1 of 3 - During her lifetime Mother Teresa had become synonymous with saintliness. But in 1994, three years before her death, journalist Christopher Hitchens made this provocative film asking if her reputation was deserved.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ0i3nCx60

    I am sorry IsLame., I disagree with Christopher Hitchens here., Off course he must have freedom to criticize any one he likes.,  As every human being has problems and she had her own problems.  But she did help people., It appears that the  problems with her is NOT she,  but some Christian churches and Vatican using her name to propagate their version of Christianity..

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #2 - July 07, 2011, 01:10 PM

    Mother Teresa is the most overrated woman in history. Mohammed is the most overrated man.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #3 - July 07, 2011, 01:56 PM

    It's easy to criticise it's hard to improve.

    I have to say, I don't get why Hitchens chose Theresa, there are hundreds and hundreds of undeserving figures, celebrities, famous people who are though of as fantastic people and saints etc yet he went after Theresa....no idea why.

    Anyway, I think he's a hypocrite, I mean, what contribution does he make? (Other than write some grand, self-gratifying books?)

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #4 - July 07, 2011, 02:42 PM

    It's easy to criticise it's hard to improve.

    I have to say, I don't get why Hitchens chose Theresa, there are hundreds and hundreds of undeserving figures, celebrities, famous people who are though of as fantastic people and saints etc yet he went after Theresa....no idea why.

     well he was BASHING Christians at that time. Now he is bashing Muslims ..lol.. So he choose a person who doesn't respond to bash...Theresa was right candidate to become well known.. lol..
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    Anyway, I think he's a hypocrite, I mean, what contribution does he make? (Other than write some grand, self-gratifying books?)

    One way or other way every on is  an hypocrite .. who is not?? It is all relative. even animal species are hypocrites.,  It is in genes, it is selfish gene... lol..

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #5 - July 07, 2011, 02:44 PM

    I suppose you are right, I hate it though when people choose to bash Muslims just because it's now PC and fashionable to do so.

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #6 - July 07, 2011, 02:50 PM

    There is a difference between bashing Islam and bashing Muslims.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #7 - July 07, 2011, 02:52 PM

    there are hundreds and hundreds of undeserving figures, celebrities, famous people who are though of as fantastic people and saints etc yet he went after Theresa....no idea why.

    Why don't you write a book about them?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #8 - July 07, 2011, 03:02 PM

    She was an awful woman.
    She didn't help anyone and instead spent all of her money creating nunneries and death houses.

    The people in the death houses were kept in terrible conditions, received no medicines, not allowed visitors and this was because she felt that suffering (like 'christ') was an important part of the faith.

    Glad shes dead, should have happened around 70 years earlier.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #9 - July 07, 2011, 03:03 PM

    There is a difference between bashing Islam and bashing Muslims.


    I know that, obviously. But many people can't tell the difference between both actions, and sometimes the lines get blurry.

    Plus some people use the former as an excuse to do the latter, classic example, the BNP, the FN, Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, etc etc. These are all clear cut examples, some more discrete individuals might be like Sam Harris (who seems to have a few quarrels with Muslims as a people in general rather than Islam). You sometimes see it IRL as well, I'm sure I don't need to tell you.

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #10 - July 07, 2011, 03:10 PM

    I know that, obviously. But many people can't tell the difference between both actions, and sometimes the lines get blurry.

    Plus some people use the former as an excuse to do the latter, classic example, the BNP, the FN, Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, etc etc.

    These people are the antithesis of politically correct.


    These are all clear cut examples, some more discrete individuals might be like Sam Harris (who seems to have a few quarrels with Muslims as a people in general rather than Islam).

    You'd have to show us how you came to that conclusion though.

    You sometimes see it IRL as well, I'm sure I don't need to tell you.

    Yes, sure, but I thought you was implying Hitchens was one of them. I'm not saying there are not people who bash Muslims in the world, obviously.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #11 - July 07, 2011, 03:33 PM

    She was an awful woman.
    She didn't help anyone and instead spent all of her money creating nunneries and death houses.

    well she didn't know what to do with the money she got..  You should have joined and mold that group with their money..
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    The people in the death houses were kept in terrible conditions, received no medicines, not allowed visitors and this was because she felt that suffering (like 'christ') was an important part of the faith.

    Suffering like Christ may be her faith .. She herself need not suffer. but that  is her faith.,  What I don't understand id people accusing her "THAT SHE DID NOT ALL VISITORS"  

    1). did  she or  thugs working for her stop people to visit their loved ones in that place??

    2). If these visitors are in so much love with those leprosy affected people ., why don't they take them out of those facilities??  Why Indian govt stop what she is doing is criminal Mr. mighty_cats l??
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    Glad shes dead, should have happened around 70 years earlier.

    Err.. every one dies.. not a big deal..

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #12 - July 07, 2011, 03:43 PM

    Suffering like Christ may be her faith .. She herself need not suffer. but that  is her faith.

    She didn't suffer like Christ. When she was stuck ill, she didn't suffer in the same squalid conditions of her own patients. Instead she flew straight to the USA and paid for the best healthcare her millions could buy.

    If she's a saint, she's St. Hypocrisy.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #13 - July 07, 2011, 04:26 PM

    well she didn't know what to do with the money she got..  You should have joined and mold that group with their money.. Suffering like Christ may be her faith .. She herself need not suffer. but that  is her faith.,  What I don't understand id people accusing her "THAT SHE DID NOT ALL VISITORS"  

    1). did  she or  thugs working for her stop people to visit their loved ones in that place??

    2). If these visitors are in so much love with those leprosy affected people ., why don't they take them out of those facilities??  Why Indian govt stop what she is doing is criminal Mr. mighty_cats l?? Err.. every one dies.. not a big deal..


    Yeah, the appeal to Indian gov't is really a bad way to argue your point because governments are fallible, especially when they don't have to pay for the poor and the sick. The fact is that Theresa did NOT keep sanitary conditions, did NOT have more than a handful (not nearly enough) qualified medical professionals, and DID earn billions in revenue for the Vatican.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #14 - July 07, 2011, 04:50 PM

    She didn't suffer like Christ.

    Huh Christ suffered?? really... I love to read THE REAL STORY OF CHRIST..   year by year account allthe way to his alleged death when he was 33 year old guy..

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    When she was stuck ill, she didn't suffer in the same squalid conditions of her own patients. Instead she flew straight to the USA and paid for the best healthcare her millions could buy.

    She doesn't know how to fly the plane.. THE ONES who using her name & money  flew her..
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    If she's a saint, she's St. Hypocrisy.

    one way or other way every saint is an hypocrite.. may be different level..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #15 - July 07, 2011, 04:54 PM

    Yeah, the appeal to Indian gov't is really a bad way to argue your point because governments are fallible, especially when they don't have to pay for the poor and the sick.

    ah ha.. the problem lies with governaments not with her.. even they use her name to get elected in that country.

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    The fact is that Theresa did NOT keep sanitary conditions, did NOT have more than a handful (not nearly enough) qualified medical professionals,

    the lady was born in 1910 and did in 1997., SHE WAS NOT MEDICAL STUDENT neither she was an organizer. what do you expect from her??
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    and DID earn billions in revenue for the Vatican.

    Now you are talking.. then the problem is NOT her but Vatican and others who are using her name to make money.. how much of money did she take with her or giver to her children when she died??
    At the best you guys can she did not handle her money/fame wealth some one donated properly.. Well she was faith head. that is what one expects..

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #16 - July 07, 2011, 04:58 PM

    ah ha.. the problem lies with governaments not with her.. even they use her name to get elected in that country.
    the lady was born in 1910 and did in 1997., SHE WAS NOT MEDICAL STUDENT neither she was an organizer. what do you expect from her?? Now you are talking.. then the problem is NOT her but Vatican and other who are using her name to make money.. how much of money did she take with her or giver to her children when she died??


    I don't know why you're trying to defend someone who had no business being a humanitarian without medical qualifications, especially since she wasn't medically trained as you mentioned. Furthermore, when she was born is irrelevant, the onus was on HER to be capable. Just because she earned money for the Vatican, does not mean it was the Vatican at complete fault: fact is she SUPPLIED, they encouraged. I'm not sure if you're being satirical at my expense...
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #17 - July 07, 2011, 05:02 PM

    She doesn't know how to fly the plane.. THE ONES who using her name & money  flew her..

    Did you fail the audition for Rain Man for being too pedantic?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #18 - July 07, 2011, 05:05 PM

    Did you fail the audition for Rain Man for being too pedantic?


    +1 I don't get the obsession with clearing Theresa's name either.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #19 - July 07, 2011, 05:28 PM

    I'm not sure if you're being satirical at my expense...

    No..No I am Not satirical ., and it is not at your expense., it is actually at my expense kleine Bruder
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    I don't know why you're trying to defend someone who had no business being a humanitarian without medical qualifications, especially since she wasn't medically trained as you mentioned. Furthermore, when she was born is irrelevant, the onus was on HER to be capable. Just because she earned money for the Vatican, does not mean it was the Vatican at complete fault: fact is she SUPPLIED, they encouraged.

     No..no.. ONUS US SQUARELY ON THE GOVERNMENT under which she is operating.. Off course when she was born and her background matters.. Now let us talk about the money she made.. let me give you guys briefly her bio data
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    1). Mother Teresa an Albanian descent was born as  Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu in Skopje*,August 26**, 1910.

    2). At the age of twelve, she felt strongly the call of God.   At the age of eighteen she left her parental home in Skopje and joined the Sisters of Loreto, an Irish community of nuns with missions in India.

    3). After a few months' training in Dublin she was sent to India, where on May 24, 1931, she took her initial vows as a nun. From 1931 to 1948 Mother Teresa taught at St. Mary's High School in Calcutta.

    4). She left the convent   In 1948 she received permission from her superiors to leave the convent school and devote herself to working among the  the poor in the slums of Calcutta.

    Let use think a bit here , A 18 year old girl left her home to serve HER FAITH spent another 17 years in India that is she 34 year old when Indian got independence in 1948

    let us keep that in mind....

    Now.. Could she have better life somewhere else instead of in Calcutta??  Could she have written a book like Hitchens on some one and become famous?? How much money did she make??

    Now comes the money part....So in 1948 she started her own convent

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    In 1950, Mother Teresa received permission from  the then Pope   to start her own order, "The Missionaries of Charity",

    And  In 1965 the Society became an International Religious Family by a decree of Pope Paul VI.


    So how much did she make in these 20 years or so?? Now she is 55 year old lady..  did she help any one any where in this world??  Was she famous in 1965??
     
     Now we will talk about her life from 1965 to 1990  later.. but let us .. how much corruption could you throw on her face and how much dirt the readers can throw on her head until this time that is .. She went the then  India as 17 year old girl in 1931 and she grep up there until she was 55 year old lady..

    question is how much money did she make?? and she even help a single soul until she was 55 year old lady??

    I don't have time right now.. but let us  analyze  whether what she did until she was 55...

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #20 - July 07, 2011, 05:30 PM

    Did you fail the audition for Rain Man for being too pedantic?

    Well for beleivers.."Rain Man" is important in their lives..

    pedantic or no pedantic.. no one is unquestionable Ishina..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #21 - July 07, 2011, 05:36 PM

    No..No I am Not satirical ., and it is not at your expense., it is actually at my expense kleine Bruder No..no.. ONUS US SQUARELY ON THE GOVERNMENT under which she is operating.. Off course when she was born and her background matters.. Now let us talk about the money she made.. let me give you guys briefly her bio dataLet use think a bit here , A 18 year old girl left her home to serve HER FAITH spent another 17 years in India that is she 34 year old when Indian got independence in 1948

    let us keep that in mind....

    Now.. Could she have better life somewhere else instead of in Calcutta??  Could she have written a book like Hitchens on some one and become famous?? How much money did she make??

    Now comes the money part....So in 1948 she started her own convent

    So how much did she make in these 20 years or so?? Now she is 55 year old lady..  did she help any one any where in this world??  Was she famous in 1965??
     
     Now we will talk about her life from 1965 to 1990  later.. but let us .. how much corruption could you throw on her face and how much dirt the readers can throw on her head until this time that is .. She went the then  India as 17 year old girl in 1931 and she grep up there until she was 55 year old lady..

    question is how much money did she make?? and she even help a single soul until she was 55 year old lady??

    I don't have time right now.. but let us  analyze  whether what she did until she was 55...


    You can hammer out the details as much as you like, the facts remain: her convent exacerbated sickness, promoted poverty, profited from tremendous amounts of donations, etc. She is anything but blameless. She even stated that, ‘I'm not a social worker. I don't do it for this reason. I do it for Christ. I do it for the church.’ [The Debate Over Sainthood. (11 February 2009). CBS News. Retrieved 29 May 2011.]

    I find that you're going over needless and mainly irrelevant details so this is the last bit I'll be chipping in towards you.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #22 - July 07, 2011, 06:05 PM

    You can hammer out the details as much as you like, the facts remain: her convent exacerbated sickness, promoted poverty, profited from tremendous amounts of donations, etc. She is anything but blameless.

     Well I tell you this., whether you guys read it or not I am going to HAMMER ALL THE DETAILS,  until you guys prove she was criminal/criminal minded person.

     you guys may say "she is useless faith head".. you may say "she is brainless superstitious nut case"  but accusing her for cheating millions of Indian rupees dollars or cheating Indian government., I don't think you guys gave me enough proof for me to agree with that..  
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    She even stated that, ‘I'm not a social worker. I don't do it for this reason. I do it for Christ. I do it for the church.’ [The Debate Over Sainthood. (11 February 2009). CBS News. Retrieved 29 May 2011.]

    .. O.K. that is what you expect from a faith head?? so what??  

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    I find that you're going over needless and mainly irrelevant details so this is the last bit I'll be chipping in towards you.

     it doesn't matter whether you chirp in or not., You guys didn't answer the question..

    What criminal activities did she  do from 17 year old to 55 in Calcutta or in India??? I will put out rest of her 25 years of life all the way she was in her 80s.. let us see how much money she made, who gave her and what did she do with that money???

    You can blame the POOPS and Vatican as much as you want.. but to make her criminal you or Hitchens  need to come out with some solid proof

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #23 - July 07, 2011, 06:35 PM

    Oh, you mean like he did in his book, his column, and in the video embedded in the first post that you didn't watch?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #24 - July 07, 2011, 06:45 PM

    Let us read the other side of the story.. Critics of Mother Teresa/Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu[

    Mommie Dearest., The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.  By Christopher Hitchens  Oct. 20, 2003

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    This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction.


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    And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been—she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself—and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?


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    The rich world has a poor conscience, and many people liked to alleviate their own unease by sending money to a woman who seemed like an activist for "the poorest of the poor." People do not like to admit that they have been gulled or conned, so a vested interest in the myth was permitted to arise, and a lazy media never bothered to ask any follow-up questions.


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    Many volunteers who went to Calcutta came back abruptly disillusioned by the stern ideology and poverty-loving practice of the "Missionaries of Charity," but they had no audience for their story. George Orwell's admonition in his essay on Gandhi—that saints should always be presumed guilty until proved innocent—was drowned in a Niagara of soft-hearted, soft-headed, and uninquiring propaganda.


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    One of the curses of India, as of other poor countries, is the quack medicine man, who fleeces the sufferer by promises of miraculous healing. Sunday was a great day for these parasites, who saw their crummy methods endorsed by his holiness and given a more or less free ride in the international press. Forgotten were the elementary rules of logic, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.


    Quote
    More than that, we witnessed the elevation and consecration of extreme dogmatism, blinkered faith, and the cult of a mediocre human personality. Many more people are poor and sick because of the life of MT: Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions.


    Those are the nuggets    I could get from Christopher on her..

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #25 - July 07, 2011, 06:58 PM

    Oh, you mean like he did in his book, his column, and in the video embedded in the first post that you didn't watch?

    No I watched that and other two videos..  here

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkcDgeYBdk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGuzFUeDDgY

     But I would still  NOT consider that as her fault., it is the fault of church., it is the fault of pope.. it is the fault of Calcutta city., it is the fault of Indian govt.. state govt.. whatever..

    She is FAITH HEAD.. that is all what she is/was...

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #26 - July 07, 2011, 07:12 PM

    You wouldn't consider what as her fault?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #27 - July 07, 2011, 07:50 PM

    You wouldn't consider what as her fault?

    Her fault on those MILLIONS OF DOLLARS some one gave it to her charity and some one else took away.. I would also consider her as criminal as some people make her..


    Faith head, yes.. stupid yes.. nut case O.k.,  CRIMINAL ..NO...

    on the way let us read this also.. why we should be one sided??


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30XdrOLT7J4

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #28 - July 07, 2011, 07:59 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-3gDwk178E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4X2OQa8_bg


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMVVJrWYMzo


    Whatever she was/is  but I would like to know about..

    How much money and where was it spend? and where is it now??

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  • Re: Does Mother Teresa deserve her good reputation?
     Reply #29 - July 07, 2011, 08:04 PM

    Indeed, where are all those millions?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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