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 Topic: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable

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  • HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     OP - July 10, 2011, 07:29 PM

    *Not just HighOctane but any of the knee-jerk Israel defenders here.

    Props to notorious Jew-hater Aphrodite for clueing me into the video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNd-FPBNeig

    Notice how despite marching through the Arab quarter they don't seem at all afraid and the IDF soldiers guarding them look quite relaxed-- kinda takes the argument that the Israelis must live in constant fear of terrorist attacks from Palestinians down a notch.

    By way of comparison:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYYn5w8T1s&feature=related

    Such provocative sectarian parades by Protestants in Catholic areas were common in the "Other Occupied Territories" (Northern Ireland) until Catholics started rioting and the British authorities finally put a stop to the parade being routed through Catholic neighborhoods, and enforced the ban through use of the British Army. Now what do you think the Israeli government would do if the Palestinians rioted against this provocative parade? Do like the British and use riot police force against the rioters then eventually have the IDF blockade the parade from passing through the Muslim neighborhoods? I think it's much more likely the IDF would shoot the rioters down like dogs then evict the Palestinians from the parade route and replace them with settlers or simply demolish any structure along the path.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #1 - July 10, 2011, 07:30 PM

    ALL LIES!
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #2 - July 10, 2011, 08:11 PM

    Seems alot more peaceful then this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #3 - July 10, 2011, 08:17 PM

    Okay, Hamas thugs are worse than IDF, Shin Bet or settler thugs-- I wouldn't have any big objection to a statement like that-- what's your point?

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #4 - July 10, 2011, 08:42 PM

    ALL LIES!


    I agree as far as Israel and the Palestines are concerned. Everybody lies there, and I feel I cannot trust any of the parties.

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #5 - July 10, 2011, 09:01 PM

    Okay, Hamas thugs are worse than IDF, Shin Bet or settler thugs-- I wouldn't have any big objection to a statement like that-- what's your point?


    My point is that no matter how bad with think the Israelis are but Arabs living in Israel at least have the power of a democratic legal system backing them, and a more accommodating attitude of the Jews.

    Here is an interesting social test done in Israel:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvdQite8rww     
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #6 - July 10, 2011, 09:21 PM

    They did a similar hidden camera thing here in the US some clerk refusing to sell to a hijabi. Most of the people defended the hijabi, a few didn't and quietly sided with the clerk when the hijabi left.

    But here's the rub, KT-- people are much more likely to support institutional discrimination, especially that which they do not see on a regular basis, even if they object to it when they encounter it in a personal situation. The old phrase "The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic" rings true when it comes to discrimination and bigotry too.

    Most people are decent enough to object to seeing a harmless person being harassed for no good reason right in front of their face, but will willingly ignore the much larger and worse institutional discrimination. How many of those people you think voted Likud? I'd bet at least some-- and the Likud have a policy of evicting Palestinians from their homes to make way for Jewish settlers-- which is worse an Arab not getting a cappuccino or being thrown out of their home?

    And it's not just Israel, this is the case in many countries, including my own when it comes to depersonalizing institutional bigotry and discrimination.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #7 - July 10, 2011, 09:37 PM

    Yes, but the situation is that, the Jews living under the Arabs would probably not be living under a democratic system, If the Arabs had a democratic system with laws in place which made it illegal to discriminate, I'd support them. Unfortunately if anything even in the most progressive Muslim majority states you end up with some hybrid Islamic-Democratic system. based on the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam.
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #8 - July 10, 2011, 09:40 PM

    Well Jesus, man, how about just supporting an end to the military occupation, evictions, razing, and settlement expansion? Jews don't have to live in the Palestinian areas if they don't want to and think they will be discriminated against. I don't see a whole lot of Israelis lining up to live under Palestinian government.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #9 - July 10, 2011, 09:51 PM

    Well its lawless so this might sound callous but it's better if Israel took-over. Alot of Arabs sell the houses to settlers make a quick buck and move to Israel, and pretend to the community they were evicted otherwise they'd be killed for selling to Jews. 
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #10 - July 10, 2011, 09:58 PM

    Interesting video KT. I'm not sure how much can be extracted from it though. How much editing did this footage undergo? How many takes were recorded? Which ones were selected? Using what criteria? Who are the production company? Who was this commissioned by? What is their motivation? I'd also like to see a full translation of that video. There are parts where the translation stops and I'm curious as to why. In itself, all that I can see is that there are some Israelis who will stand up against bigotry when it's right in their face, and that is not at all surprising to anyone not coming at this from an anti-Semitic "all Jews are heartless assholes" position.

    All that said, I quite like the idea of the programme. It's just the authenticity and accuracy with which reality is portrayed that I would have concerns with. Not insignificant concerns to have.
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #11 - July 10, 2011, 10:24 PM

    Chris, I don't think it's propaganda to be honest, since it is in Hebrew and translated by someone who uploaded it onto youtube. I think it is a program which comes on Israeli TV. It is based on the ABC's What Would You Do?
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #12 - July 10, 2011, 10:39 PM

    ^I don't doubt it's on Israeli TV, but all the questions still stand. I'm not implying it is heavily biased propagandist programming, just that I don't know that it isn't, and have no easy way of assessing that. Therefore, there is very little I can take away from the clip. That is all.
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #13 - July 10, 2011, 10:52 PM

    wut chris said

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #14 - July 11, 2011, 01:19 AM

    I agree as far as Israel and the Palestines are concerned. Everybody lies there, and I feel I cannot trust any of the parties.


    That pretty much sums up everything! Dangerous lies that makes everyone emotional and scuttles whatever hope there's for peace!


    *Not just HighOctane but any of the knee-jerk Israel defenders here.
    Props to notorious Jew-hater Aphrodite for clueing me into the video:

    I think it's much more likely the IDF would shoot the rioters down like dogs then evict the Palestinians from the parade route and replace them with settlers or simply demolish any structure along the path.


    If you want to know the truth you shouldn't be defending anybody!
    Yeah! she prefers to hear "Allah-u-Akbar" "kill the Jewish pigs" to a tepid "Muhammad is dead"[Is he alive? Roll Eyes]
    Poor thing! must have had a tough time digging up this video which pales in comparison with the you tube videos put up so proudly by the Muslims themselves.
    A sane comment in the video --"People are taught from a very young age one side of the story they are never shown the other side..."
    This conflict is a complex issue and seeing things in black and white is too simplistic.The more religious you are the greater the chances of your being functionally blind to the grays.
    I am talking generally here --- knee-jerk defence  is basically a reaction, if you take care of the action it should automatically vanish! A classic chicken and egg problem huh!
    I would love to see both the Israelis and Palestinians living together peacefully.This cause won't be helped by engaging in mindless cursing contests and blame games.

    The underlined is pure speculation, dude!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #15 - July 11, 2011, 01:25 AM

    If you want to know the truth you shouldn't be defending anybody!
    Yeah! she prefers to hear "Allah-u-Akbar" "kill the Jewish pigs" to a tepid "Muhammad is dead"[Is he alive? Roll Eyes]


    Either you don't get sarcasm or you are making an unfounded smear against Aphrodite. Possibly both.

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    The underlined is pure speculation, dude!


    Speculation, yes, but not unfounded-- that tends to be how Israel deals with rioting by Palestinians-- lethal force and demolitions. This is well-documented. It is also well-documented that they do NOT use deadly force against equally violent Jewish rioters-- they use tear gas and riot police not live ammo, like most reasonably civilized countries do. But a Palestinian kid throws a stone, pretty decent chance an IDF soldier will take his head off at 100 yards.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #16 - July 11, 2011, 02:42 AM

    the guy next the one in the blue shirt is hawt @ 6:18 such a shame he is a dick

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #17 - July 11, 2011, 03:05 AM

    Yay jews!

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #18 - July 11, 2011, 09:52 AM

    *Not just HighOctane but any of the knee-jerk Israel defenders here.

    Props to notorious Jew-hater Aphrodite for clueing me into the video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNd-FPBNeig

    Notice how despite marching through the Arab quarter they don't seem at all afraid and the IDF soldiers guarding them look quite relaxed-- kinda takes the argument that the Israelis must live in constant fear of terrorist attacks from Palestinians down a notch.

    By way of comparison:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYYn5w8T1s&feature=related

    Such provocative sectarian parades by Protestants in Catholic areas were common in the "Other Occupied Territories" (Northern Ireland) until Catholics started rioting and the British authorities finally put a stop to the parade being routed through Catholic neighborhoods, and enforced the ban through use of the British Army. Now what do you think the Israeli government would do if the Palestinians rioted against this provocative parade? Do like the British and use riot police force against the rioters then eventually have the IDF blockade the parade from passing through the Muslim neighborhoods? I think it's much more likely the IDF would shoot the rioters down like dogs then evict the Palestinians from the parade route and replace them with settlers or simply demolish any structure along the path.

    What is happening here?? Raccoons are everywhere. Wht is there in that video?? Racist juice??  So some red neck 20 year old Juice with high hormones floating in their brain  acting like fools on that day in that video.. That is not a big deal., The question is WHAT 1.3 billion Muslims are doing/did  to Palestinians for the past 60 years? and what Palestinians leadership and preachership has done for the past 60 years??  

    Now take those videos from your post.. TELL Me WHAT IS THE WORST THING THOSE JUICE DID in  that video??

    Some juice Shouting Muhammad Dead is not big deal to me.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #19 - July 11, 2011, 10:56 AM

    Either you don't get sarcasm or you are making an unfounded smear against Aphrodite. Possibly both.



    I was being sarcastic too!  Tongue BTW is one you tube video sufficient  to put it beyond reasonable doubt that the Israelis are the sole 'culprits' in this sorry mess?

    If you have noticed there are voices of dissent within Israel,there doesn't seem to be a mindless toeing of the establishment line all the way.
    When you look at the other side the scene is pretty depressing, you can sense a nauseous unreal  self righteousness ably aided and abetted by apologists of all hues and shades.


    Speculation, yes, but not unfounded-- that tends to be how Israel deals with rioting by Palestinians-- lethal force and demolitions. This is well-documented. It is also well-documented that they do NOT use deadly force against equally violent Jewish rioters-- they use tear gas and riot police not live ammo, like most reasonably civilized countries do. But a Palestinian kid throws a stone, pretty decent chance an IDF soldier will take his head off at 100 yards.


    I don't know how far it's true and since I have not witnessed it, it wouldn't be fair of me to comment.
    Yes! if it's true it's wrong!
    But just give it a thought even with the threat of death hanging on their heads these kids throw stones! What does that tell you about them?
    No normal kid behaves like that. What are they[including their parents and other well wishers!] hoping to gain by it?

    Activism,protests etc. of any kind should be a strictly adult activity.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #20 - July 11, 2011, 11:13 AM



    001_wub I fervently wish that the video is genuine. It  strikes a blow for humanity.

    If people anywhere in the world are left to themselves,free of dirty politicians,ideologues,demagogues etc., they will be like how these people were in the video.
    Humanism 101  in action!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #21 - July 11, 2011, 11:28 AM

    Quote
     King T posts this tube   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvdQite8rww  

        and Hyper-C says  
    001_wub I fervently wish that the video is genuine. It  strikes a blow for humanity.

    If people anywhere in the world are left to themselves,free of dirty politicians,ideologues,demagogues etc., they will be like how these people were in the video.
    Humanism 101  in action!

     
    Quote

     and Hyper-C says  
    I was being sarcastic too!  Tongue BTW is one you tube video sufficient  to put it beyond reasonable doubt that the Israelis are the sole 'culprits' in this sorry mess?.....

    How are you doing Hyper_C., Forget the King-T video ., That is JUICE propaganda., Some of those juice act like Jesus, Buddha , Gandhi..Penguin etc.. etc..

    but.. But tell me dear Hyper_C.,  after watching tubes from Raccoon_r's post., If you would like to throw some criticism at those  20 year old Jewish  guys, How do you criticize them??

    Didn't had time to watch those tubes.. Let me watch it carefully..

     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: HighOctane*-- please explain why you find this acceptable
     Reply #22 - July 14, 2011, 02:14 PM

    BTW is one you tube video sufficient  to put it beyond reasonable doubt that the Israelis are the sole 'culprits' in this sorry mess?


    No it is not. The fact that the Palestinians have been under a decades-long foreign military occupation by Israel, frustrating their rights to self-determination, and being evicted from their homes to make way for Israeli expansion does however.

    Quote
    If you have noticed there are voices of dissent within Israel,there doesn't seem to be a mindless toeing of the establishment line all the way.


    Yes. And the Israeli peace movement and people like Uri Avnery would call you deluded.

    Quote
    When you look at the other side the scene is pretty depressing, you can sense a nauseous unreal  self righteousness ably aided and abetted by apologists of all hues and shades.


    Bullfucking shit. More Israelis=good, Palestinians=bad bullshit from you. There are prominent voices of dissent within the Palestinian camp too, like Mustafa Barghouti, but you don't want to recognize that because viewing the Palestinians as a homogenous bloc makes your bigotry against them easier.

    Quote
    I don't know how far it's true and since I have not witnessed it, it wouldn't be fair of me to comment.
    Yes! if it's true it's wrong!


    If you don't know basic facts of the conflict then you shouldn't be commenting on the topic AT ALL.

    Quote
    But just give it a thought even with the threat of death hanging on their heads these kids throw stones! What does that tell you about them?


    That they are desperate, hopeless, angry and miserable because they've had a foreign boot of military oppression on their necks their whole lives.

    Quote
    No normal kid behaves like that.


    Yeah, let's have a foreign army invade your fucking home, keep you under occupation and in grinding poverty for decades and see how "normal" you grow up.

    Quote
    What are they[including their parents and other well wishers!] hoping to gain by it?


    I find your implicit blame of the victim to be morally reprehensible.

    Quote
    Activism,protests etc. of any kind should be a strictly adult activity.


    Get real. In national liberation struggles, youth ALWAYS play a big part. It isn't unique to Palestine.

    What is happening here?? Raccoons are everywhere. Wht is there in that video?? Racist juice??  So some red neck 20 year old Juice with high hormones floating in their brain  acting like fools on that day in that video.. That is not a big deal., The question is WHAT 1.3 billion Muslims are doing/did  to Palestinians for the past 60 years? and what Palestinians leadership and preachership has done for the past 60 years??  

    Now take those videos from your post.. TELL Me WHAT IS THE WORST THING THOSE JUICE DID in  that video??

    Some juice Shouting Muhammad Dead is not big deal to me.


    Way to miss the point.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
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