Re: Help get the rationalizer vs Hamza Tsoztis debate to happen!
Reply #49 - July 21, 2011, 06:40 AM
@Skeptic I have 4 children, 2 of which are very young. The only time I have to do stuff like this is when they go to bed, and then I do not intend to go out for hours at night and leave my family home alone while I do something like this. I also made a commitment to my wife years ago that I would not mix my youtube life with my real life. The top of that list was that I do not meet up with people in person to debate with them.
Hamza was fine with skype for 3 weeks before the magic sandwich show. He was fine with skype for 2 weeks after the MSS. He then wrote and suggested the possibility of meeting face to face instead, and I told him time constraints make that a bad option for me. Then he had ANOTHER week to decide that Skype was the only impossible format and went out of his way to offer alternatives I had already suggested were unacceptable.
He moved the goal-posts, he may as well have said "I will debate you for 1 million pounds"
So what has changed in the past couple of weeks? If he has any sense he'll have checked out my youtube channel to see what my arguments are. He'd have seen that I use tafsirs to check claims for the meanings of verses, and that I can counter every one of his Quran miracle claims, and that I have actually read the Quran from cover to cover 3 times over and made notes along the way.
He's backing out. He only likes to talk about abstract things like "Does *some* god exist" - the MSS taught him that when he talks about his religion he gets utterly wasted, and he knows I am going to talk about his religion so I think he is backing out.
This is what I just posted on the thread:
Hamza - gloves off.
I think your arguments are full of holes. I also think that you know it, which is why despite writing in January 2010 "Evolution does not have its foot in the door" when accosting the biologist PZ Myers and he brought up the subject of evolution you and Adnan simply skirted around the issue and pretended there was no discussion to be had. Either you were avoiding the your opponent's area of expertise or you don't know the Quran as well as I do.
Your arguments against evolution are rubbish.
Your arguments for the creation of the universe are rubbish.
Your arguments for miracles in the Quran are rubbish.
And I intend to show everyone.
The ONLY possible format for me is the one you agreed to, skype. It took you 2 weeks after the magic sandwich show to ask if I fancied a face to face instead, and then after I tried to tell you that face to face is the only option for me due to time constraints a week later you changed the goalposts to make the debate impossible for me to attend and then tried to claim "I didn't back out."
Your arguments should stand on their merits alone; whether face to face, written on paper, or over a web camera. I know enough about your arguments to show they do not stand. Please stop trying to make the debate you agreed to have impossible, and go through with what you agreed to do. Debate me, on skype, and let me show everyone how baseless your arguments are.
Don't back out now that you have had a few weeks to research my arguments (such as my video response that iERAUK *still* won't approve.) Be a man, step up to the challenge you have already agreed to on skype and let's do it.
Topic: Help get the rationalizer vs Hamza Tsoztis debate to happen!