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  • The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     OP - July 20, 2011, 06:41 AM

    I came across this fantastic article couple of years ago. It's long but totally worth the read Smiley

    The Problem of Muslim Anti-Semitism

    By Irfan Khawaja
    (first published in Pakistan Today, January 10, 2003).

    If you raise the issue of Arab or Muslim anti-Semitism with the average Arab/Muslim leader, you will, with just a few exceptions, get a predictable set of responses. Some of them will shamefacedly acknowledge that the problem exists, and having done so, will then abruptly change the subject to racial profiling, American imperialism, or the evils of Israel. Others will admit the existence of the problem, but insist that it survives only on the "fringes" of Arab/Muslim society, and is therefore an issue of marginal concern. Some will simply fall silent. And others will tell you with disarming candor that the problem of anti-Semitism is no "problem" at all, because the Jews are after all a scheming and diabolical race who deserve all the abuse that can be directed at them. Multiply such leaders by the hundreds, and do so over the course of decades, and you will get some sense of why the problem of anti-Semitism has assumed the proportions it currently has in the Arab-Muslim community.

    So how big a problem is Arab/Muslim anti-Semitism? Reasonable people may reasonably disagree about its scope, but no reasonable person, I think, can claim that the problem is a marginal one. As Bernard Lewis of Princeton put the point in his book Semites and Anti-Semites (1986):

    “The volume of anti-Semitic books and articles published, the size and number of editions and impressions, the eminence and authority of those who write, publish and sponsor them, their place in school and college curricula, their role in the mass media, would all seem to suggest that classical anti-Semitism is an essential part of Arab [and I would add, Muslim] intellectual life at the present time…”

    Lewis's assessment tallies well with my own personal experience. Contempt for Jews was a ubiquitous and inescapable phenomenon in the Arab/Muslim community in which I grew up in New Jersey in the 1970s and 1980s; the bigotry there was such that my brother jokingly referred to the community as "The Fourth Reich." And such attitudes remain in place today. Recently, The Arab Voice, an Arab-language newspaper in Paterson, N.J., was discovered serializing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (a notorious anti-Semitic forgery) in its pages. To the best of my knowledge, not a single local Arab/Muslim leader condemned them for it. To make matters worse, local leaders not only defended the newspaper, but openly affirmed their belief in the Protocols! A depressing example, but not a unique one: I could multiply such examples further if I had the space.

    Are my experiences unique? I don't think so, but those unwilling to trust mere anecdotes can consult the ample resources of the documentary record. Besides Lewis's book mentioned above, the interested reader can consult the last third of Robert Wistrich's Antisemitism: The Longest Hatred (1991), the Arab Antisemitism Documentation Project of the Middle East Research Institute or the various relevant publications of the Anti-Defamation League.  There are, in addition, several important essays on the subject by the Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes, and several in recent issues of Commentary, The New Republic, The New York Times, and the Christian Science Monitor. Yet another resource is the website of the British cultural historian Richard Webster, which includes ten major essays on the subject.

    Though most of the criticism of Muslim anti-Semitism has come from non-Muslims, it's heartening to report that some Muslims, Arabs, and South Asians have begun to acknowledge the problem and to combat it. Richard Webster's site includes important essays by such Muslim writers as Qais Saleh and Tariq Ramadan , who condemn anti-Semitism while providing eloquent testimony from "the inside" as to the extent of the problem. Equally notable are essays and statements on the subject by the journalist Asma Agbarieh; by scholars Harun Yahya, Sayyid Hossain Nasr, and Ibn Warraq; by Salman Rushdie; and by James Zogby of the Arab-American Institute. It's also something of a relief to hear that some repentant ulema have publicly confessed to their past anti-Jewish indulgences (e.g., Cleveland's Fawaz Damra and Hamza Yusuf of the Zaytuna Institute in California). On the other hand, those of us who have heard our share of anti-Jewish rhetoric over the years at the Eid khutbah may also wonder how many of the ulema have indulged in the vice without bothering to confess it.

    I'll therefore take for granted that there is a problem here requiring a solution. Obviously, then, to solve it, we need to identify its sources. I'll mention just three. The first, and most delicate, is the text of the Quran. Any thinking Muslim must wrestle with the fact that the Quran occasionally refers to Jews in a negative light, and acknowledge that Muslims have exploited these Quranic verses for anti-Semitic purposes. The question then becomes one of ijtihad—the proper interpretation of the relevant verses.

    There are two possible interpretations.
    (1) The first is to see the Quran as condemning the Jews collectively and eternally for their failure to embrace Islam. On this interpretation, the differences between Judaism and Islam are more important than any similarities; thus, we should ignore the similarities and focus on the differences, regarding the Jews as enemies of Islam, whom Muslims are commanded to fight until the Day of Judgment.

    (2) A second, more traditional interpretation holds that in criticizing Jews, the Quran is condemning specific transgressions by specific Jewish individuals or tribes, not collective sins committed by a race, ethnicity or creed. On this interpretation, the similarities between Judaism and Islam outweigh the differences; Muslims should use the similarities as the basis for harmony between the two faiths, settling any remaining differences by discourse rather than violence. Obviously, these two interpretations of the Quran contradict one another, and Muslims must choose between them.

    A second source of Arab/Muslim anti-Semitism is a skewed understanding of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Far too many Arabs and Muslims grow up with the belief that God commands them to side with the Palestinians against the Israelis in that conflict. Without bothering to acquaint themselves with facts or context, such people come to believe that the history of the dispute consists of nothing but Israeli atrocities against Arabs.

    In this view of things, the Arabs are nothing but victims, and the Israelis nothing but aggressors; the Arabs are responsible for nothing, and the Israelis are responsible for everything. From such a view, it's easy enough to slide into conspiracy theorizing, and from there to the belief that the Jews are a corrupt and diabolical race, while the Arabs are a noble and pure one. Unfortunately, this view of history has less to do with the pursuit of Palestinian rights than it does with role-playing, and does no one any real good, much less the Palestinians.

    A third source of Muslim anti-Semitism is what I call "retaliatory bigotry," i.e., Arab/Muslim retaliation for bigotry suffered at the hands of Jews. In raising this issue, I don't mean to be making excuses for Muslim anti-Semites or to be blaming their victims. Bigotry is a moral failing for which its practitioners alone are responsible; nothing excuses it, and no one deserves it. But in criticizing Arabs and Muslims for their failings, we should not imagine that the sources of Arab/Muslim anti-Semitism lie exclusively within the Arab/Muslim community.

    In thirty-odd years of life, I've been on the receiving end of a good deal of bigotry, much of it directed at me by Jews. As both victim of and witness to such bigotry, I resolved not to fall into the cycle of responding in kind to those who had perpetrated it. I did, however, watch others fail in that struggle, succumbing to the need to hit back at bigots by becoming bigots themselves. It's clear to me that such "retaliatory bigotry" is a large source of Arab/Muslim anti-Semitism. To combat it, we must see—and get others to see—that anti-Semitism does not exist in a vacuum; it's part of a vicious cycle in which anti-Muslim bigotry plays a role. We should, then, commit no trespasses against others, but overlook none against ourselves. Our task is to fight anti-Semitism from a spirit of justice, not of turning the other cheek.

    Bigotry is a dispiriting thing, but I remain an optimist about the prospects of eradicating it. Anti-Semitism will, I think, finally wither away when those who indulge it are refused the tolerance they have so long enjoyed, and those who tolerate it recognize that the malice and stupidity that motivates it are a threat to all of us. We should remember that a moral environment can suffer from pollution, as can a physical one. Anti-Semitism has fouled our moral environment for far too long—and done so with our acquiescence. Self-respect, justice, and sheer safety demand that we drive it from our homes, our neighborhoods, and above all, our hearts.


    Irfan Khawaja is adjunct professor of philosophy at The College of New Jersey.

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #1 - July 20, 2011, 06:45 AM

    I really think anti-Semitism is a huge problem among Muslims and should definitely be discussed at length over here.........waiting for your thoughts on this...

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #2 - July 20, 2011, 10:22 AM

    Quote
    I came across this fantastic article couple of years ago. It's long but totally worth the read Smiley

    The Problem of Muslim Anti-Semitism

    By Irfan Khawaja
     
    Irfan Khawaja is adjunct professor of philosophy at The College of New Jersey.

     
    I really think anti-Semitism is a huge problem among Muslims and should definitely be discussed at length over here.........waiting for your thoughts on this...


    So Irfan Khawaja drinking too much juice and if you like that article you too started drinking juice Angona .  But  I do have a problem antisemitic hatred and hatred of nomads/gypsies/homeless/ roaming around with land and no country. Oneof the problem is in definition of   "Semitic people" itself.  In a broad sense the Semitic people is defined as,   
    Quote
    The  tribes (or Semites) refers to several groups of nomads and camel pastoralists who spoke related Semitic languages and included Arabs, Aramaeans, Jews, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Abyssinians, and Phoenicians. They roamed Arabia and Mesopotamia beginning somewhere in the third to fourth millennium BC, and dominated the Babylonian society beginning about 3000 BC. They are associated with the invention of the earliest alphabet, from evidence found at Serabit el-Khadem, on the Sinai peninsula of modern Egypt.

     and to that you can add any one for example displaced people dut to wars who have no country and no land and no home... They just go around and around...

    So what I mean to say is NATIVE ARABS THEMSELVES ARE SEMITIC PEOPLE., The problem of Arabs and ARba leader hating Juice is NOt because they are Semitic But because they are NOT following Islam..  The religion/cult(whatever) that is originated with Arab Pagans with copy/pasted stuff from Juice as book of Allah/word of god..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #3 - July 20, 2011, 10:48 AM

    do you have links to the article?

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #4 - July 20, 2011, 11:35 AM

    do you have links to the article?

    That is a very old article published way back  in Pakistan Today, 2003.  But it is making rounds again & again because of juice..


    "There is Juice in every Muslim and there is Muslim in every juice"  
     
    ...Allah reveal to yeezevee  Quran xxx.xx    lol.  

    http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/
    http://zionism-israel.com/ezine/Irfan_Kahwaja_Muslim_Anti-Semitism.htm
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/03/muslim-scholars-who-acknowledge-muslim

    etc...etc...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #5 - July 20, 2011, 12:58 PM

    There are two possible interpretations.
    (1) The first is to see the Quran as condemning the Jews collectively and eternally for their failure to embrace Islam. On this interpretation, the differences between Judaism and Islam are more important than any similarities; thus, we should ignore the similarities and focus on the differences, regarding the Jews as enemies of Islam, whom Muslims are commanded to fight until the Day of Judgment.

    (2) A second, more traditional interpretation holds that in criticizing Jews, the Quran is condemning specific transgressions by specific Jewish individuals or tribes, not collective sins committed by a race, ethnicity or creed. On this interpretation, the similarities between Judaism and Islam outweigh the differences; Muslims should use the similarities as the basis for harmony between the two faiths, settling any remaining differences by discourse rather than violence. Obviously, these two interpretations of the Quran contradict one another, and Muslims must choose between them.


    That's the problem, there are verses which support BOTH interpretations  wacko
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #6 - July 20, 2011, 03:10 PM

    So you had to rant about semantics, yeezevee? We all know Arabs are semitic people too. The word semitic has been used here in its widely held meaning - Jews!! And yes the article is old but I've never seen such a well written one on Muslim antisemitism. In the Muslim diaspora that I live in anti-semitism is overwhelming and hard to challenge- and Muslims around me are all educated!!! Maybe the reason you're minimizing it because you have never experienced it. Lucky you yeezevee  Smiley

    Fara here's the link http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/articles_and_books/the_problem_of_muslim_anti_semitism/

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #7 - July 20, 2011, 05:06 PM

    There is no doubt that there is a huge amount of anti-Jewish sentiments amongst Muslims and it's not just because of the fairly recent Palestinian/Israeli conflict but goes right back to Muhammad's struggle with the Jews of Medina. This is reflected in the way Muhammad Allah spoke about them in the Qur'an as treacherous, breaking their covenants, killing prophets, and being the worst in hatred towards believers.

    Since this attitude is in the Qur'an and Hadith then it is hardly surprising it is a widespread attitude amongst Muslims.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #8 - July 20, 2011, 05:08 PM

    btw ignore Yeezee - most of what he says is in code that few people can understand.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #9 - July 20, 2011, 05:23 PM

    btw there have been lots of threads on this topic - here are just a few:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9684.0

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=13780.50

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=11825.0

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=12617.0
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #10 - July 20, 2011, 05:26 PM

    There is no doubt that there is a huge amount of anti-Jerwish sentiments amongst Muslims and it's not just because of the fairly recent Palestinian/Israeli conflict but goes right back to Muhammad's struggle with the Jews of Medina. This is reflected in the way Muhammad Allah spoke about them in the Qur'an as treacherous, breaking their covenants, killing prophets, and being the worst in hatred towards believers.

    Since this attitude is in the Qur'an and Hadith then it is hardly surprising it is a widespread attitude amongst Muslims.


    Is there good sociological evidence to back up a claim that virulent anti-Semitism was widespread in the Muslim world during the modern/industrial eras prior to 1947? Meaning was it anywhere near the level it's been since then? Were lots of Pakistanis getting worked up over Jews in 1945 for example?

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #11 - July 20, 2011, 05:31 PM

    There was no such as Pakistanis in 1945 Wink

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #12 - July 20, 2011, 05:38 PM

    Thanks for all those links Hassan. Wish i could go through all the threads! However, I tend to agree with Raccoon Rapist more. Yes there are passages in Qur'an on Jews and Mohammad himself massacred Banu Quraiza and other Jewish tribes. But modern day anti-Jewish sentiments seem to be stemming from Palestinian conflict and Muslim's resentments about Jewish lobbies influences on Washington.

    I have noticed it carefully in my B'deshi diaspora. They aren't even aware of anti-Jewish sura's - it's all about their Palestinian brothers' plights and their lack of knowledge about the history of Jewish people in general.

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #13 - July 20, 2011, 05:51 PM

    Is there good sociological evidence to back up a claim that virulent anti-Semitism was widespread in the Muslim world during the modern/industrial eras prior to 1947? Meaning was it anywhere near the level it's been since then? Were lots of Pakistanis getting worked up over Jews in 1945 for example?


    I don't know if there has been any sociological research into the subject pre 1947 but I do know I have come across plenty of comments scattered throughout the classical works of Muslims scholars pre-1947 that reveal a great deal of anti-Jewish sentiment.

    For example this is what Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya said (writing in the 1300s)

    “The nation upon whom is the Divine wrath are the Jews, the people of lies, slander, betrayal, conspiracy and trickery, the killers of Prophets and consumers of usury and bribes. They have the most evil hearts of all nations, and the worst attitude. They are the farthest removed from (divine) Mercy and the closest to (divine) wrath. Their way is enmity and stirring up hatred. They represent the house of witchcraft, lies and trickery. They do not see anything wrong in rejecting and disbelieving in Prophets whom they did not like. With regard to a believer, they respect not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant. They do not respect the rights of those who agree with them, or show any compassion towards them, nor do they show any justice or fairness to those who work with them. There is no safety or security for those who mix with them, and there is no sincerity towards those who use their services. The most evil of them is the one who is most intelligent, and the cleverest one among them is the one who cheats the most. The one who is good at heart – which it is unlikely to find among them – is not a Jew in any real sense. They are the most bad-tempered of people, with the gloomiest houses and the filthiest courtyards. They have very bad manners – their greeting is a curse, and meeting them is bad news. Their slogan is wrath and they are filled with hatred.”  
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #14 - July 20, 2011, 05:56 PM

    Thanks for all those links Hassan. Wish i could go through all the threads! However, I tend to agree with Raccoon Rapist more. Yes there are passages in Qur'an on Jews and Mohammad himself massacred Banu Quraiza and other Jewish tribes. But modern day anti-Jewish sentiments seem to be stemming from Palestinian conflict and Muslim's resentments about Jewish lobbies influences on Washington.


    Oh yes, I'm not saying the Palestinian conflict has not been the major catalyst for anti-Jewish sentiment in the modern age.

    I'm only saying it did exist before the Palestine issue.

    Modern Muslims who want to find justification in Qur'an and Sunna, to hate Jews beyond the Palestinian conflict can and do.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #15 - July 20, 2011, 05:59 PM

    Wow...that is one hell of a quote!! And this was in 1300s...i'm just wowed! Well...you seem to be making your point. But I would still argue my point.

    But then again if it so happens that suddenly Palestinian problem is just resolved and there's no Israel tomorrow- anti-Jewish sentiment is not gonna evaporate!!! Hate can be lingering mainly because it generally defies reasoning!


    btw ignore Yeezee - most of what he says is in code that few people can understand.


    Why ignore? I'm more intrigued now  Wink

    There was no such as Pakistanis in 1945 Wink

    Haha yeah true.......

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #16 - July 20, 2011, 06:04 PM

    Oh yes, I'm not saying the Palestinian conflict has not been the major catalyst for anti-Jewish sentiment in the modern age.

    I'm only saying it did exist before the Palestine issue.

    Modern Muslims who want to find justification in Qur'an and Sunna, to hate Jews beyond the Palestinian conflict can and do.


    Yeah...you're right. It's just depressing!!

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #17 - July 20, 2011, 06:13 PM

    But then again if it so happens that suddenly Palestinian problem is just resolved and there's no Israel tomorrow- anti-Jewish sentiment is not gonna evaporate!!! Hate can be lingering mainly because it generally defies reasoning!


    I have no doubt that if the Palestinian conflict could be resolved in a just manner (I believe in a two-state solution) it would be a massive step towards reducing anti-Jewish sentiment in the Muslim world.

    Christians used to hate Jews at one time - blaming them for killing Jesus - and in the Middle Ages Jews faired much better in Muslim lands than in Christian lands. Yet today anti-Jewish sentiment is far less amongst Christians.

    Though I have to say mainly because Christianity has been pushed back and most people don't take the Bible seriously anymore.

    I think that an even greater step to resolving such anti-Jewish sentiment (and anti-Muslim sentiment amongst many Jews) is to get rid of religion - and all these stupid "Holy" books - that help fuel such sentiments and divide man from man.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #18 - July 20, 2011, 06:21 PM

    Why ignore? I'm more intrigued now  Wink


    Yeezevee is either a genius of immense proportions that no-one on this forum can comprehend or he is an idiot who's words tumble out like Scrabble letters tossed in a box.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #19 - July 20, 2011, 06:23 PM

    Oh and when HO reads this thread I just want to say:

    Fuck Israel!
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #20 - July 20, 2011, 06:27 PM

    "Christians used to hate Jews at one time - blaming them for killing Jesus - and in the Middle Ages Jews faired much better in Muslim lands than in Jewish lands. Yet today anti-Jewish sentiment is far less amongst Christians.

    Though I have to say mainly because Christianity has been pushed back and most people don't take the Bible seriously anymore."

    True and I'm aware of anti-Muslim hatred(I live in the US doh!!), but I think a lot of Liberal Jews try to fight it. We Muslims do not have that dissenting camp that can show the world our liberal stance.......sigh!!


    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #21 - July 20, 2011, 06:30 PM

    Hey Hassan I read your blog. Wow you're totally out in the open and you've been that super religious before! I mean how the hell are you faring with your Muslim friends and colleagues after you came out so openly. Excuse my language but I'm really curious!!

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #22 - July 20, 2011, 06:43 PM

    Not a big problem. They know, but I don't rant about it in r/l - so it doesn't cause a big problem - which is why it's great to have this place to vent.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #23 - July 20, 2011, 06:51 PM

    I haven't read the whole or every thread. I am a bit pissed with this constant blaming of Arabs for not liking the Jewes, the Jewes were disliked all over Europe before the wars, why do you think Hitler wanted to eliminate them?  Its well known they couldn’t get normal jobs, so they went into financial related products and gaining money with interest, AKA loan sharking. 

    I have relatives from the English side of my family who are actually mixed English/German and Polish, and they told  me lots of war stories to confirm.  This part of the family were never Muslim  and in fact mostly atheists.


    Me personally, I have nothing against the Jewes, but I have a lot against Israel, and do believe they have no right in Palestine.

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #24 - July 20, 2011, 06:53 PM

    Oh and when HO reads this thread I just want to say:

    Fuck Israel!



     Afro   Afro

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #25 - July 20, 2011, 06:54 PM

    So you mean if you do rant about it, it WILL cause problem? So the same old story of rabid censorship on liberal/cultural Muslims to put the lid on!!

    I'm depressed again!!!

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #26 - July 20, 2011, 07:00 PM

    Fara I wasn't talking about Arab hating Jews, rather Muslim hating Jews in general. And wow you do have an issue with Israel, that's fine.

    I don't like the way they established Isreal by expelling the Palestinians!! But the Jews have claims to the land, it's their ancestral home!!
    Sorry I'm kind of tired of listening to the Arab side of the story 24/7 in Muslim media!!

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #27 - July 20, 2011, 07:31 PM

    No I don't believe they have claims, those Jews immigrated from Germany/Poland/Russia... just because their religion happens to be Jewish, it doesn't mean they  can claim someone else's land because of their ancestors... FHS all our ancestors are from Africa, should we all go and kill them Africans and say it was our land?  Those people were German/Russian etc etc, who just believe in Moses and followed his book, religion is not a nationality, its just a religion.

    Also I do not believe any country in the whole world should be built on religion, the laws in such countries become if you are of that religion then you have every right, if you are not of that religion they you  have no right,  this is the story in Israel, if one is Jewish then they have all citizen right, if they are not Jewish then they are entitled to nothing.

    Same goes for other countries built on religion e.g Pakistan.

    I believe in faith freedom , can you imagine if the UK suddenly decided that only Christian has full citizen rights and non Christians are 2md class citizen?

    Just to repeat what Hassan said ''' FUCK ISRAEL

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #28 - July 20, 2011, 07:35 PM

    Wow chill! The above is your opinion and you're entitled to your own! That's all I'm gonna say now Smiley

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #29 - July 20, 2011, 07:36 PM

    BTW, I doubt if Hassan meant that  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
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