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 Topic: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism

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  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #60 - July 25, 2011, 11:26 PM

    Well i am not jewish, again. And i don't approve of many israeli actions, too. Just i tried to present some other side of the conflict.

    Isn't it funny how cats can understand people without ever reading a single psychology book?
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #61 - July 25, 2011, 11:36 PM

    That is why you are evil and must be condemned. Wink

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #62 - July 25, 2011, 11:47 PM

    Yes but generally, muslims get more emotional over Israel and Palestine than over other subjects.

    Are Jews or Arabs better than dead Christians in Sudan? Or Kurds? Not....


    Its because the occupation of Jerusalem, coz its a special place for muslims too.

    I'm not disagreeing with you there... just pointing out that there are quite a few Muslims, especially Pakistani Kashmiri Muslims like my mum, who do hate India 'cause of the whole Kashmir thing.
     Thread sneaker


    A lot of Pakistanis hate India, for some reason they seem to forget that their ancestors were Indian and that there are as much muslims in India as there in Pakistan  Roll Eyes
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #63 - July 25, 2011, 11:49 PM

    Fara7, I believe this forum IS open to people other than ex-Muslims.
    Hate speech should definitely NOT be condoned here. But how about ad hominem attack, you think that's allowed?

    You clearly have no patience for anybody else's opinion but your own. That is a classic trait of a bigoted Muslim.
    So first learn how to become tolerant of other views and maybe then call yourself an ex-Muslim with that much insistence?

    Thank you.


    Best way to try to beat down an ex muslim's view, attack the validity of their claim to apostasy. 

    Pure win. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #64 - July 26, 2011, 12:00 AM

    That's bollocks.

    Israel is a parliamentary democracy with universal suffrage.



    How is it a democracy when it won't allow democracy in places it lays claim to and has control over?

    Israeli Declaration of Independence specifically stated that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture.

    It is true however that Arab citizens of Israel do experience discrimination in many aspects of life because of high level of informal segregation.



    Apparently the constitution of Pakistan guarantees freedom of worship and rights to non-muslims  Roll Eyes Actions speak louder than words. A Jew in say California has more rights to that land than a Palestinian living in a refugee camp in Lebanon, equality my ass.  The discrimination is is state sanctioned, from the demolition of arab neighbourhoods and villages to charging arabs with rape coz they slept with a jewish woman.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #65 - July 26, 2011, 01:23 AM

    Best way to try to beat down an ex muslim's view, attack the validity of their claim to apostasy. 

    Pure win. 


    Hmmm....sarcasm?!

    All I meant was lack of tolerance for other people's views is widespread among Muslims and someone who claims herself as being ex-Muslim, IMHO, should not display that in such an aggressive fashion.

    Sorry i had no idea that tolerance is too much to ask when engaging in political discussion. BTW, I'm taking back my comment toward fara7 about her apostasy, questioning that wasn't my intention to begin with!

    I'm that happy medium....yeah
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #66 - July 26, 2011, 07:21 AM

    Its because the occupation of Jerusalem, coz its a special place for muslims too.

    This. There are a lot of other injustices in the world which don't generate nearly as much noise as Palestine, yet whenever the Israel/Palestine issue is mentioned things get far more emotional, far faster. Darfur? Who gives a fuck?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #67 - July 27, 2011, 04:58 PM

    Sorry Kenan but its a less known fact that Serbian leaders ordered the people to leave the area just before operation Storm.

    I do know that. What happened is that Milosevic betrayed Serbs in Croatia. They were no longer useful to him hence Serbian forces under his command did not intervene in Croatia at that time.
    That is the primary reason why people left - but they had a good reason to leave.
    Croatian officers in charge of operation Storm general Ante Gotovina and general Mladen Markač were both indicted by ICTY in Hague and accused of a "joint criminal enterprise" in an effort to expel Krajina Serbs from Croatia in 1995 during Operation Storm and accused of aiding and abetting the murders of 324 Krajina Serb civilians and prisoners of war by "shooting, burning and/or stabbing" them and forcibly displacing almost 90,000 Serb civilians.
    They were found guilty of murder as a violation of the laws or customs of war and of inhumane acts as a crime against humanity by ICTY in Hague and got 24 and 18 years respectively.

    And our late president Franjo Tudjman called for Serbian people to stay and wait for the establishment of order under croatian forces.

    Would that be the same guy who was under investigation by ICTY for alleged war crimes in Bosnia and Croatia. Had he not died it's quite likely that he would have indeed ended in Hague.

    "Prosecutor Gregory Kehoe told the Hague-based war crimes tribunal earlier this week (July 26) that Croatian General Tihomir Blaskic, now on trial for war crimes, was only an instrument of the anti-Muslim policies of Croatian President Franjo Tudjman. Kehoe's statement raises the possibility that the tribunal may be preparing to indict the Croatian leader."

    "The Hague prosecutor Kenneth Scott has accused Croatia’s first president Franjo Tudjman of masterminding the creation of Herzeg-Bosna, a self-proclaimed entity within Bosnia and Herzegovina (BH) founded on ethnic cleansing."

    "Had he lived, Croatian President Franjo Tuđman would today be in the Hague accused of war crimes, a former American ambassador to Croatia claims."


    How is it a democracy when it won't allow democracy in places it lays claim to and has control over?

    Easy.
    The territories that are under illegal occupation are de facto not part of Israel therefore population living there is not entitled to participate in Israeli elections for example.
    The conduct of Israel on occupied territories is bound by Geneva convention though.
    If I am not mistaken Israel offered full citizenship to at least Palestinians living in Jerusalem but Palestinians for obvious reasons declined the 'offer'.

    Btw Israel was classified as "flawed democracy" by The Democracy Index compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit. Countries like France, Italy and Greece were classified as flawed democracies as well and scored en par with Israel.
    http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_Index_2010_web.pdf

    Apparently the constitution of Pakistan guarantees freedom of worship and rights to non-muslims  Roll Eyes Actions speak louder than words.

    Pakistani constitution specifically discriminates against non-Muslims on many accounts for example in electoral process. Pakistan has blasphemy laws, legal segregation when it comes to legal and personal freedom, sexual freedoms, freedom of religion, etc.
    As far as I know the only difference between a Jewish citizen and Arab citizen of Israel is that latter cannot do the compulsory military service.

    A Jew in say California has more rights to that land than a Palestinian living in a refugee camp in Lebanon, equality my ass.

    Many countries have special provisions for people which they consider to be of their own ethnicity when it comes to obtaining the right of residence or citizenship.
     
     The discrimination is is state sanctioned, from the demolition of arab neighbourhoods and villages

    You are referring to what happened during Arab-Israeli wars/conflicts?

    to charging arabs with rape coz they slept with a jewish woman.

    Are you saying that an Arab guy was found guilty of raping a Jewish girl after they had consensual sex?




  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #68 - July 27, 2011, 06:14 PM

    Are you saying that an Arab guy was found guilty of raping a Jewish girl after they had consensual sex?

    This is "kind of" what happened in a certain case. The "kind of" relates to your use of the word "consensual".
    An Arab was found guilty of rape though the girl consented on the basis that he lied and said that he was Jewish and she relied on that lie and he knew she relied on that lie.
    This vitiated the consent - and he was found guilty.

    This is actually a common interpretation of of the restrictions to "consent" in other legal systems, though not all are as broad as the Israeli interpretation of restrictions - the most blatant type is where a man goes into a darkened room and has intercourse with a woman who believes it's her boyfriend. He is aware that she is mistaken - this is not considered consent and therefore rape.

    If the man pretends to be "that guy from Take That" - it similarly can vitiate consent.

    A problem area is where a guy claims to be a millionaire (or whatever) for example and the girl consents on that basis.
  • Re: The Problem of Muslim anti-Semitism
     Reply #69 - July 27, 2011, 06:54 PM


    Easy.
    The territories that are under illegal occupation are de facto not part of Israel therefore population living there is not entitled to participate in
    Israeli elections for example.



    But it lays claim to that territory or at least part of it, so shouldn't it give them equal rights? Or it could just stop claiming it as their own, pack up and GTFO.


    The conduct of Israel on occupied territories is bound by Geneva convention though.



    Errrr I don't think so, its supposed to be bound by the Geneva convention but doesn't:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1682640.stm

    If I am not mistaken Israel offered full citizenship to at least Palestinians living in Jerusalem but Palestinians for obvious reasons declined the 'offer'.


    I don't know anything about that, but if they did I don't blame them, Arab Bedouin in the Negev (in "Israel" proper) are treated like shit.

    http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2008/03/30/map
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Bedouin#The_Negev_Bedouin_today
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrecognized_Bedouin_villages_in_Israel

    BUT its not all bad, since living under Israeli control FGM has been eradicated--I give credit where its due  Afro

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090220090748.htm


    Btw Israel was classified as "flawed democracy" by The Democracy Index compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit. Countries like France, Italy and Greece were classified as flawed democracies as well and scored en par with Israel.

    Pakistani constitution specifically discriminates against non-Muslims on many accounts for example in electoral process. Pakistan has blasphemy laws, legal segregation when it comes to legal and personal freedom, sexual freedoms, freedom of religion, etc.
    As far as I know the only difference between a Jewish citizen and Arab citizen of Israel is that latter cannot do the compulsory military service.



    There all flawed as far as I'm concerned. Fuck Pakistan.

    Many countries have special provisions for people which they consider to be of their own ethnicity when it comes to obtaining the right of residence or citizenship.



    Examples? And how many of them have commited crimes like Israel? I.e depopulating areas inhabited by a certain people and replacing them with others?

    You are referring to what happened during Arab-Israeli wars/conflicts?
    Are you saying that an Arab guy was found guilty of raping a Jewish girl after they had consensual sex?



    No not the wars, it happens almost every other week. Yes, that is basically what happened. Here's the thread:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=11482.0
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