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  • The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     OP - August 05, 2011, 04:29 PM

    So I was just browsing on FB when one of my friends had a post from another friend with a link to this (caveat: VERY long) article:
    http://www.wefound.org/texts/Ideal_Muslims_files/herhusband.htm

    The most interesting section by far is "She is obedient to her husband and shows him respect".
    A parody could not have done a better job in my opinion.

    So what really bothers me is that these are 20somethings encouraging each other to follow such a rural and bronze-age ideal, it somewhat enrages me. What are your thoughts and feelings on how muslimahs today want to be seen and want others to see them as?
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #1 - August 05, 2011, 04:38 PM

    Obedient Wives Club


    Malaysian Muslim Ishak Md Nor and his two wives, Aishah Abdul Ghafar, left, and Afiratul Abidah Mohd Hanan, who are members of the Obedient Wives Club.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #2 - August 05, 2011, 04:58 PM

    I remember a thriller book about such a club in the UK or the USA, but I cannot remember the title...

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #3 - August 05, 2011, 11:04 PM

    There is a tendency among women to encourage other women to suffer the same as they did; it passes from generation to generation; such as if a mother thinks her husband has a right to beat her, she passes that belief to her daughter as well. They do so but not necessarily intentionally.

    The idea of how a Muslimah should be is thought to women by women again. Men create and define the concept of ideal Muslimah but it is through the hands of women that these ideas get rooted and spread.


    Muslim women struggle and seeing the other alternatives in the world they make a comparison, thus their struggle deepens. Some can solve their problems by sometimes radical measures such as fleeing. But when they cant solve the issue they turn more back to Islam as a sort of means to find a shelter and approval, acceptance. While they are in this situation about which they cant do anything,  they try to make themselves believe that it is the best and therefore be it out of this need for self believing or just for humane reasons to be approved, they try to spread their ideals. While doing so, they want to be seen as the women who are strong enough to be doing the best all the time. Especially those who have worse conditions - not necessarily beating but living under more  human yet strict Islamic rules, and are aware what they live is not the right thing, crave more to be approved and considered as the best examples of women.

    Couldnt summarize my ideas in the best manner but hope you get what I mean.

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #4 - August 05, 2011, 11:13 PM

    Fuck being an obedient wife. Where did that ever get you?  Cheesy

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #5 - August 05, 2011, 11:15 PM

    Interesting. They mentioned verse 4:34, and conveniently left out the end of it:

    Quote
    ( Men are the protectors and maintainers [qawwamun] of women, because Allah has given the one more [strength] than the other, and because they support them from their means. . .) (Qur’an 4:34)


    This is on the other hand really shows how fucking screwed up these people can get:

    Quote
    The true Muslim woman knows that Islam, which has multiplied her reward for obeying her husband and made it a means of her admittance to Paradise, has also warned every woman who deviates from the path of marital obedience and neglects to take care of her husband, that she will be guilty of sin, and will incur the wrath and curses of the angels.

    Bukhari and Muslim report from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said:

    “If a man calls his wife to his bed and she does not come, and he goes to sleep angry with her, the angels will curse her until the morning.”17

    Muslim reports from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said Imam:

    “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, there is no man who calls his wife to his bed, and she refuses him, but the One Who is in heaven will be angry with her, until the husband is pleased with her once more.”18

    The angels’ curse will befall every woman who is rebellious and disobedient; this does not exclude those who are too slow and reluctant to respond to their husbands:

    “Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala) will curse those procrastinating women who, when their husbands call them to their beds, say ‘I will, I will . . .’ until he falls asleep.” 19

    Marriage in Islam is intended to protect the chastity of men and women alike, therefore it is the woman’s duty to respond to her husband’s requests for conjugal relations. She should not give silly excuses and try to avoid it. For this reason, several hadith urge a wife to respond to her husband’s needs as much as she is able, no matter how busy she may be or whatever obstacles there may be, so long as there is no urgent or unavoidable reason not to do so.

    Silly excuses?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who the fuck are they to decide when women should have sex?!!! Who gives a fuck if the excuse is silly, it is our goddam bodies!!! We'll decide when anyone can bloody touch it!!!!


    Think I'll avoid reading the rest of that. It just makes you wanna shoot yourself.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #6 - August 06, 2011, 12:02 AM

    LOL I have the book the ideal muslimah , fuck I think the book is probably alot larger than the ideal muslim because of the list of shit she has to do for her husband ! seriously........

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #7 - August 06, 2011, 12:04 AM

    LOL I have the book the ideal muslimah , fuck I think the book is probably alot larger than the ideal muslim because of the list of shit she has to do for her husband ! seriously........

    LOL I have the book the ideal muslimah , fuck I think the book is probably alot larger than the ideal muslim because of the list of shit she has to do for her husband ! seriously........


    wow is there such a book ? lool

    God = King of Despots
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #8 - August 06, 2011, 12:06 AM

    The young salafi girls I know are always baking looool they wanna look marriage material !!!! I have been told many times that I won't get married because I'm good for nothing ......

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #9 - August 06, 2011, 12:07 AM

    wow is there such a book ? lool


    yep at your local Islamic store  Smiley

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #10 - August 06, 2011, 12:28 AM

    The young salafi girls I know are always baking looool they wanna look marriage material !!!! I have been told many times that I won't get married because I'm good for nothing ......


    You dont know how to bake?  Huh?

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #11 - August 06, 2011, 12:33 AM

    Yeah. I have heard about this book. It was recommend by someone at an Islamic discussion board i follow. If you ask me this obsession with women being obedient is an example on how disgusting and vile Islam is. If your supposed masculinity depends on subjugation of the other gender - i feel sorry for you. You wont become more "man" by having an obedient wife. If you want an obedient companion - get a pet (a dog). Seriously - you pathetic man and your pathetic patriarchal Medieval cult.

    As J.S Mill wrote in his well-known essay "The Subjection of Women":
    Quote
    That the principle which regulates the existing social relations between the two sexes — the legal subordination of one sex to the other — is wrong itself, and now one of the chief hindrances to human improvement; and that it ought to be replaced by a principle of perfect equality, admitting no power or privilege on the one side, nor disability on the other.

    That was written almost 150 years ago - but its still relevant for Muslims and the Muslim world...

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #12 - August 08, 2011, 12:45 AM

    In an ideal relationship the woman is 'obediant' to her man. If there is something my bf is not happy with I will avoid it as long as it causes me no loss or harm. If my bf wants me to cook him some particular dish I'll do it out of love and respect for him.

    The same applies the other way, my bf is 'obedient' to me. If I want him to cook me a particular dish he will 'obey'

    (I'm indian so cook great indian food, he's english and cooks great fish and pasta dishes)

    These ideas of obedience and boss in islam are perposterous and detrimantal to a good healthy relationship. The advantages of having a partner are lost. We are often told women and men are different, this is why they work great together. One of them is often the 'boss' in one thing while the other is the 'boss' in another. There is no general rule of who excels at what though! A couple will discuss important issues and they will both have ideas/thoughts and will go with the best option.

    If people are ignorant then no matter what they will do stupid things. If they are smart they will be logical. My bf is not my superior or my boss but he is very successful in certain things so with these things I will ask his advice on what I should do and follow it. I am very successful in some things and in these cases my bf will ask my advice and follow it.

    If a man wants to be the boss in all things then he must be better at all things than the woman- this would make life very difficult! The man would be totally stressed. Being the boss is not just about getting respect and being looked at with wide adoring eyes, there is the bad part too that you must endure-

    So fundamentally islamic couples = man who is better in all things + woman who is just a pretty face and a fool

    The real life expectations of a muslim man are that the woman must be:

    1. Intelligent to reduce his burden but only when he says she is allowed- when he put's his foot down...!
    2. Educated to add to the family income but still perform her 'womanly duties'
    3. Meek and mild while being a strong confidant parent and strict disciplinarian to raise perfect children
    4. Be faithful and loyal yet relagete her own parents and siblings to second place after his parents and siblings upon marriage
    5. Be the 'perfect woman' cooking the best food, raising perfect children, always keep her man happy, never complain etc while the man is OK to be significantly less than perfect (in the islamic sense the man is the earner so perfect man would be one with high earnings. How many imperfect muslim men out there demand perfect women!?)

    So in conclusion a muslim man demands that a woman be all things at his behest- strong and weak, meek and strict, intelligent and obedient, man and woman!

    This behaviour was shared among the western males in the recent past. The sufragette movement was the fight of women to get equality which was constanly denied them. The great facilitator for change was the war- all amle men left to fight and the coutry needed women to do the men's jobs- and the women were literellay forced out of their lives to comply. They realised, hang on, we can do this and some even realised that they did it better! Then the war ended, the men returned and said 'ok, back in the house. Back to being a good little inferior woman' and obviously the women fought against this! Men expect that women should be their personal slaves, behaving in whichever role the men feel is required. Stay home *beep* comply, earn money *beep* comply, have sex *beep* comply, lick my feet *beep* comply.

    A nation that oppresses women is a nation doomed for failure when the rest of civilisation is growing more enlightened. The women of the west are strong and powerful, prepared to do what's necessary to secure their freedom and rights just like men. The muslim nation teaches women they are inferior and weak. If islamic nations went to war with a western nation then even if they had twice the men we have, the west would win because the west would have women fighting too!
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #13 - September 07, 2011, 06:46 AM

    LOL I have the book the ideal muslimah , fuck I think the book is probably alot larger than the ideal muslim because of the list of shit she has to do for her husband ! seriously........


    The book is sitting on a shelf a few feet away from me. Need to burn it soon or something.

    It's sad - my dad wastes so much money on these shit Islamic books.

    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #14 - September 07, 2011, 07:03 AM

    Sometimes i wonder if those so called obedient wives are happy with their marriage if they repeat that mantra of "i must obey my husband if i want to please allah to be admitted in paradise" in reply to my question on whether they are happy with their marriage.

    Are they doing it for love or are they doing it for the sake of pleasing Allah(which is sad)?

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #15 - September 07, 2011, 03:50 PM

    The real life expectations of a muslim man are that the woman must be:

    1. Intelligent to reduce his burden but only when he says she is allowed- when he put's his foot down...!
    2. Educated to add to the family income but still perform her 'womanly duties'
    3. Meek and mild while being a strong confidant parent and strict disciplinarian to raise perfect children
    4. Be faithful and loyal yet relagete her own parents and siblings to second place after his parents and siblings upon marriage
    5. Be the 'perfect woman' cooking the best food, raising perfect children, always keep her man happy, never complain etc while the man is OK to be significantly less than perfect (in the islamic sense the man is the earner so perfect man would be one with high earnings. How many imperfect muslim men out there demand perfect women!?)

    So in conclusion a muslim man demands that a woman be all things at his behest- strong and weak, meek and strict, intelligent and obedient, man and woman!


    This was brilliant.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #16 - September 07, 2011, 04:10 PM

    Interesting comparision: The Stepford wives (2004) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327162/

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #17 - September 07, 2011, 04:31 PM

    In an ideal relationship the woman is 'obediant' to her man. If there is something my bf is not happy with I will avoid it as long as it causes me no loss or harm. If my bf wants me to cook him some particular dish I'll do it out of love and respect for him.

    The same applies the other way, my bf is 'obedient' to me. If I want him to cook me a particular dish he will 'obey'

    (I'm indian so cook great indian food, he's english and cooks great fish and pasta dishes)

    These ideas of obedience and boss in islam are perposterous and detrimantal to a good healthy relationship. The advantages of having a partner are lost. We are often told women and men are different, this is why they work great together. One of them is often the 'boss' in one thing while the other is the 'boss' in another. There is no general rule of who excels at what though! A couple will discuss important issues and they will both have ideas/thoughts and will go with the best option.

    If people are ignorant then no matter what they will do stupid things. If they are smart they will be logical. My bf is not my superior or my boss but he is very successful in certain things so with these things I will ask his advice on what I should do and follow it. I am very successful in some things and in these cases my bf will ask my advice and follow it.

    If a man wants to be the boss in all things then he must be better at all things than the woman- this would make life very difficult! The man would be totally stressed. Being the boss is not just about getting respect and being looked at with wide adoring eyes, there is the bad part too that you must endure-

    So fundamentally islamic couples = man who is better in all things + woman who is just a pretty face and a fool

    The real life expectations of a muslim man are that the woman must be:

    1. Intelligent to reduce his burden but only when he says she is allowed- when he put's his foot down...!
    2. Educated to add to the family income but still perform her 'womanly duties'
    3. Meek and mild while being a strong confidant parent and strict disciplinarian to raise perfect children
    4. Be faithful and loyal yet relagete her own parents and siblings to second place after his parents and siblings upon marriage
    5. Be the 'perfect woman' cooking the best food, raising perfect children, always keep her man happy, never complain etc while the man is OK to be significantly less than perfect (in the islamic sense the man is the earner so perfect man would be one with high earnings. How many imperfect muslim men out there demand perfect women!?)

    So in conclusion a muslim man demands that a woman be all things at his behest- strong and weak, meek and strict, intelligent and obedient, man and woman!

    This behaviour was shared among the western males in the recent past. The sufragette movement was the fight of women to get equality which was constanly denied them. The great facilitator for change was the war- all amle men left to fight and the coutry needed women to do the men's jobs- and the women were literellay forced out of their lives to comply. They realised, hang on, we can do this and some even realised that they did it better! Then the war ended, the men returned and said 'ok, back in the house. Back to being a good little inferior woman' and obviously the women fought against this! Men expect that women should be their personal slaves, behaving in whichever role the men feel is required. Stay home *beep* comply, earn money *beep* comply, have sex *beep* comply, lick my feet *beep* comply.

    A nation that oppresses women is a nation doomed for failure when the rest of civilisation is growing more enlightened. The women of the west are strong and powerful, prepared to do what's necessary to secure their freedom and rights just like men. The muslim nation teaches women they are inferior and weak. If islamic nations went to war with a western nation then even if they had twice the men we have, the west would win because the west would have women fighting too!


    Great post  Afro

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #18 - September 07, 2011, 04:42 PM

    To be honest I don't find anything wrong with it, if a woman enjoys that then fine. Personally I'd prefer my wife to be obedient, I don't know of any man who wouldn't prefer an obedient wife. 
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #19 - September 07, 2011, 04:50 PM

    To be honest I don't find anything wrong with it, if a woman enjoys that then fine. Personally I'd prefer my wife to be obedient, I don't know of any man who wouldn't prefer an obedient wife.  


    Speak for yourself. Not everybody is so insecure to need a crutch like that. If a man is secure, independent and confident in himself and his goals he won't need to have some slave to do his bidding. I do like a woman who is soft and feminine, but that doesn't mean she needs to obey my every whim. A real relationship is one with a certain level of give an take that both sides have to partake in.

    Just think of this.. slavish women create slave-like children. A strong woman will create strong willed children. I don't want weak feeble minded kids, why would I want them to be raised by a feeble-minded woman?

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #20 - September 07, 2011, 05:10 PM

    Speak for yourself. Not everybody is so insecure to need a crutch like that. If a man is secure, independent and confident in himself and his goals he won't need to have some slave to do his bidding. I do like a woman who is soft and feminine, but that doesn't mean she needs to obey my every whim. A real relationship is one with a certain level of give an take that both sides have to partake in.

    Just think of this.. slavish women create slave-like children. A strong woman will create strong willed children. I don't want weak feeble minded kids, why would I want them to be raised by a feeble-minded woman?


    I wasn't talking about in the sense of a personal slave. Personally, I like to be in control and also sometimes you have to keep Desi women in check otherwise before you know if you'll be the one becoming the slave. Think more in term of the having decorum, rather then a loud mouth jungali desi woman.  
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #21 - September 07, 2011, 05:16 PM

    What does "i like to be in control" exactly mean to you KT?

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #22 - September 07, 2011, 05:55 PM

    ^Im curious to know that too.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #23 - September 07, 2011, 06:00 PM

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?sec=nation&file=/2011/6/5/nation/8841974

    Someone needs to make a porn film about this.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #24 - September 07, 2011, 06:39 PM

    The Ideal Muslimah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqGSTEmSLw


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E22i-N0jOZU

    whole thing is ideal....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #25 - September 07, 2011, 06:54 PM

     Lmao  That 2nd vid reminded me of my wife  Terror couch

    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #26 - September 07, 2011, 07:23 PM




     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    <3 u yeez

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #27 - September 07, 2011, 09:45 PM



    WTF kind of smackdown was that on the woman?

    Seriously, what kind of lame ass fighting style was that?

    Cheesy  seriously, a video of me beating up some chick I caught with my soon to be battered boyfriend (if i can't do it, I now have grown up brothers who can) would be a whole lot more brutal and insane.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #28 - September 08, 2011, 10:07 PM

    Over-reaction if you ask me, it is the wife's husbands' and the woman who he cheated with problem not the whole families problem. Also, sometimes you cheat because, you can't exactly bend your wife over on the steps in the family house or on the dinner table. With another woman you can do stuff like that.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #29 - September 08, 2011, 10:23 PM

    Nobody asked you.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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