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  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #30 - September 08, 2011, 10:25 PM
    Grin
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #31 - September 08, 2011, 10:40 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on September 08, 2011, 10:07 PM
    Over-reaction if you ask me, it is the wife's husbands' and the woman who he cheated with problem not the whole families problem. Also, sometimes you cheat because, you can't exactly bend your wife over on the steps in the family house or on the dinner table. With another woman you can do stuff like that.


    Wow, you like sex? That's such a coincidence, because I like sex also. We have lots in common, we should meet up and talk about all the crazy sex we've been having. Smiley
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #32 - September 08, 2011, 10:50 PM
     Cheesy Cheesy


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #33 - September 08, 2011, 11:07 PM
     Cheesy
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
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  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #34 - September 08, 2011, 11:35 PM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 08, 2011, 10:40 PM
    Wow, you like sex? That's such a coincidence, because I like sex also. We have lots in common, we should meet up and talk about all the crazy sex we've been having. Smiley


     Cheesy Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #35 - September 09, 2011, 12:52 AM
    KOD your views are biased and false- first you assert that you want to be 'the man'- what are you on about? What's being the man? My bf is the man and doesn't need to subjugate me to validate himself. He doesn't rule me and that hasn't lead me to walk all over him. In fact we have a lot of respect for each other. In a relationship do you believe that one person has to lose themselves so that the other can remain whole? The fact is people only need a weak partner to feel stronger, which shows how lame they are. A strong man will be comfortable with a strong woman, a capable man will be happiest with a capable woman, etc.

    Second, you think a person is justified to cheat cos they can't do things with their partner? That's so ridiculous- you may be unhappy with a woman sexually but then you should leave her or have an open relationship both ways cos the reality is if you're not satisfied by her then she's not satisfied by you! Do you think that men are so wonderful that when a woman is lucky enough to get one she has to jump through hoops to keep him, is so in love with him that he's 100% perfect with no faults in her eyes, that he's her world and nothing else is better so she has to do all the giving while you do all the taking?  Cheesy Relationships involve two PEOPLE, even a dog will assert it's own character!
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #36 - September 09, 2011, 12:52 AM
    Oh also, thanks to those who liked my other post  dance
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #37 - September 09, 2011, 12:58 AM
    Quote from: Saffire on September 09, 2011, 12:52 AM
    KOD


    Think you mean to say King Tut, not Kod.
    fuck you
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #38 - September 09, 2011, 02:21 AM
    OOooops  thnkyu

    Sorry Kod, I meant King Tut. Need sleep.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #39 - September 09, 2011, 06:27 PM
    Quote from: Saffire on September 09, 2011, 12:52 AM
    KOD your views are biased and false- first you assert that you want to be 'the man'- what are you on about? What's being the man?


    I want to be in control mostly I want to give direction and leadership in the relationship, if my partner was not happy with this then of course I would discuss it with her and make a compromise. I just don't expect her to be overbearing.
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    My bf is the man and doesn't need to subjugate me to validate himself.


    Straw-man, I never mentioned I would subjugate someone I abhor men who do that.
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    He doesn't rule me and that hasn't lead me to walk all over him. In fact we have a lot of respect for each other.


    Good. Honestly don't see why a white guy would date a Asian girl, but each to his own. He is a brave man.
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    In a relationship do you believe that one person has to lose themselves so that the other can remain whole?


    I don't understand that, though I feel you can't always possibly have it 50/50 all of the time.

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    The fact is people only need a weak partner to feel stronger, which shows how lame they are.


    No a weak partner, not wanting an overbearing partner who thinks her opinions are the only valid opinions. Believe it or not, many woman use tactics to emotionally blackmail/abuse men, this is from just speaking from anecdotal evidence in which Desi/Asian women use ploy's like using sex as a tool to control the man. 

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    A strong man will be comfortable with a strong woman, a capable man will be happiest with a capable woman, etc.


    Personally, If I had the idea choice, and hindsight I would NEVER marry a Desi/Asian woman Indo-Pakistani girl, I would rather have nails put though my balls.
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    Second, you think a person is justified to cheat cos they can't do things with their partner?


    I admit that was abit dumb.
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    That's so ridiculous- you may be unhappy with a woman sexually but then you should leave her or have an open relationship both ways cos the reality is if you're not satisfied by her then she's not satisfied by you!


    I am not trying to justify cheating, I am saying I can see how it's a possibility, and I find the surprise abit strange. I can understand cheating and why it happens. Am not going to pretend that I would never cheat on someone, I would not put something so pathetic beyond me I was completely unhappy in a relationship, and we are human, and humans are abit shit like that at times.
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    Do you think that men are so wonderful that when a woman is lucky enough to get one she has to jump through hoops to keep him, is so in love with him that he's 100% perfect with no faults in her eyes, that he's her world and nothing else is better so she has to do all the giving while you do all the taking?  Cheesy Relationships involve two PEOPLE, even a dog will assert it's own character!


    I think I was justify someone being a doormat in a relationship. And there are plenty of women who are happy to role-play the submissive role, some even find it sexually arousing.
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  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #40 - September 09, 2011, 06:38 PM
    Tut I think on some points your views are just slightly different, and in many ways I misunderstood you! Apologies for any offence. However, I do think it's unfair to tar all asian women with your negative assumptions. Your wife might be crap but I'm asian and great- my bf's lucky to have me so your comment is really offensive. I can see though where you're coming from cos many asian women do in fact fall into your stereotype! However, I assure you we're not all the same, which is why my asian peers always considered me weird (thank god!)
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #41 - September 09, 2011, 06:42 PM
    Quote from: Saffire on September 09, 2011, 06:38 PM
    Tut I think on some points your views are just slightly different, and in many ways I misunderstood you! Apologies for any offence. However, I do think it's unfair to tar all asian women with your negative assumptions. Your wife might be crap but I'm asian and great- my bf's lucky to have me so your comment is really offensive. I can see though where you're coming from cos many asian women do in fact fall into your stereotype! However, I assure you we're not all the same, which is why my asian peers always considered me weird (thank god!)


    Well, I think you might be right, but you like me, are just a token Paki. I hate the double standards of Desis.
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  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #42 - September 09, 2011, 07:05 PM
    token indian- I'm not pakistani but yes.

    I hated myself growing up for not being like everyone else, so happy and comfortable with being a hypocrite. Not following islam while preaching how perfect and right it is. Just accepting stupid ass crap as fact while living completely opposite (in particular the oppression of women!)

    Another thing is, the bitchiness. Asian girls seem to hate everyone. They criticise so much, look at other girls and hate on them because they feel insecure. I'm so 'weird'- when I have a friend who's 'better' than me (richer, prettier, etc) I feel a little envious but in a positive way, like I'd say it to her straight 'oh my god you're so pretty! I'm so jealous  Tongue )
    I never fit in cos I'm not vindictive and I don't need to be number one (the prettiest, have every guy chasing me, etc)- TBH all I wanted to do is read, watch TV, play computer games. I went through a 'look perfect' phase at 17 which was just straightened hair, smart clothes and makeup (which was light but had to have it on cos I felt insecure about my skin- which is fine now!)- but it's hard work. Who can be bothered with all that! I swear, it takes like half an hour to straighten my hair, forget it. I only do it now when I go out (which is rarely!)

    Oh and asian guys are just as bad- they act like total slags then call any girl who doesn't shag them a stuck up bitch (this is what I was known as!)  Cheesy They treat women like crap and act so desperate. I've been clubbing and had asian guys asking my male friends if they can 'have' me and if they can fuck me! I mean, wtf- we're not in 7thC arab losers, I'm not cattle!
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #43 - September 09, 2011, 07:27 PM
    Asian/Desi girls are very vindictive and jealous.. at least in my experience. What's up with that? My sisters are the same.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #44 - September 09, 2011, 07:52 PM
    I can be vindictive but I'm not the jealous type.....
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #45 - September 09, 2011, 09:31 PM
    I'm not vindictive but I can be 'jealous' if you can even call it that- I prefer to call it pragmatic. I'm intelligent enough to know that I'm not the most intelligent woman, or the most beautiful, etc. I love my bf and feel like if another woman got the chance she'd work hard to 'steal' him. For this reason I cautiously prefer it if my bf doesn't have female friends, especially not with awesome females! Obviously I don't mean this in an OTT way, more like in the sense that I wouldn't accept my bf having a female best friend, going out with her alone, etc. My bf is the same. In fact, I felt intimidated to be truthful about my feelings of 'jealousy' so I never mentioned this to my bf, and he's not the sort of person to tell me what to do but his feelings became apparent when I realised he wasn't comfortable with me having a male best friend (who I'd known before I met my bf)- this lead me to accept that actually, I feel the same. For this reason we both respect each others feelings by not having opposite gender friends. This can get tricky, particularly cos I tend to get along with boys due to my love of computer games and boy's toys, but it's not a huge thing especially when I want him to do exactly what he wants me to do.

    I think this sort of jealousy is ok. However, in a previous relationship it was a problem cos my ex hated ME having male friends but considered it fine that he had female friends, went out with them one on one, etc! I hate double standards
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #46 - September 09, 2011, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: Saffire on September 09, 2011, 09:31 PM
    I cautiously prefer it if my bf doesn't have female friends, especially not with awesome females! ... For this reason we both respect each others feelings by not having opposite gender friends.


    Wait-- I thought you two were in an "open" relationship?
    fuck you
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #47 - September 09, 2011, 10:11 PM
    Openly boring maybe. haha
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #48 - September 10, 2011, 12:07 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on September 09, 2011, 09:55 PM
    Wait-- I thought you two were in an "open" relationship?


    Nope- when I first met my bf we were. We weren't serious at all, just having fun. However, as time progressed and we started to like each other we moved to a committed relationship. I discussed the concept of open relationship to ascertain whether it's good or bad. I could see many attributes to it, but I was still in my thinking/deciding/trying to realise what I felt was right for me phase. I concluded that for me I prefer to remain monogomous as I think that I would end up getting jealous as would my bf for the reasons I prev. mentioned. I often think in a circular and insane ways, showing/seeing logic of many contradictory ideas as there's no one universal truth on many things. I maintain that there are some benefits to being in a committed serious relationship while remaining open to having sex with others (like having takeaway v. home cooked meals) and still believe this is a viable and reasonable option for some, but I was trying to decide what I think. I can't think something until I entertain all the possibilities, and am introduced to the ideas I haven't considered by others- only then do I think some more then make a decision of what I actually want to do.

    I think it might get confusing with my brain thinking craziness cos if you read some of my posts you'll see me seemingly defending one way only for me to defend the opposite at a later time. Hope you understand that this is due to the fact that I don't know much about what I know. I think a lot, have ideas, see logic, try to understand. Sometimes I even think I have the answer figured out until someone comes along with a different idea and shows me that I'm actually wrong in a logical and factual way- then I'll change my mind and follow the new idea. I think this is sensible- I know I'm not the most smart person in the world to be able to know everything and what I really want is to understand. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #49 - September 10, 2011, 12:26 AM
    Quote from: Saffire on September 10, 2011, 12:07 AM
    Do you get what I'm trying to say?


    Yeah, you crazy.  Cheesy

    That's okay, you're in good company here.
    fuck you
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #50 - September 10, 2011, 02:54 PM
    At least Saffire has a personality, as a Desi girl. Don't get me started on Desi girls... I've wrote essays on them on here before you signed up.

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    Some of you might not know, contrary to popular belief I am not white. I am a Desi (barf at the thought) i.e. I am from the Indian subcontinent. I want to break it down why I don't mostly like my own culture, and these are serious points. This has nothing to do with skin color, it is more to do with attitude and mindset.

    What I have noticed about Desis is, that when they come to the west or even if they are born in the west they never seem to lose the Desi nature, i.e. just having a general distrust of everyone who is not related to you, being completely racist towards those who are darker then you, and in private being racists towards white people.

    Some Desi women find themselves' mostly through whoring themselves in senior positions maybe becoming a an accounts manger. When they come across someone from their own culture (i.e. another Desi) they will relish in their own pride of feeling superior to you, when they notice this they will lose all sense of professionalism which is typically associated with the job and will barefaced lie to you maybe about some of the services which are offered and make things up and talk to you in a condescending manner, but when they get caught out by maybe I don't know by you actually reading terms and conditions, and understanding basic mathematics and logic, and you end up schooling them in their own profession. They will panic, and put the white person in-front of you, who will apologize for them, the desi woman will have no decorum to apologize to you, she will label you as having a Coconut, or if she reads a little then maybe she'll call you a; sexist, and say she refuses to talk to you. Bitch if you can't do your job don't fucking work in a bank.

    I get this kind of stuff from my GP who is a Desi Hijabi woman, that's double trouble.


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    I used most or many to point out I am not really talking in a general sense. I find professionalism in Desis an exception not a rule, family members wanting to meddle in your business, living at home with mum and dad. I admit I've done that, in fact if it was not for my parents being wealthy, I'd probably be living with them. I pay no bills my father pays all my bills all the income I make I keep myself and spend myself. I owe over £300K to my taking into consideration he bought me and my wife our house, bought me cars over the years paid my fines and debts. I hate that, they've made me dependent on them, that is what I mean to say if they did not support me with this kind of money I'd be forced to work. I've taken two holidays this year on my dads money. 


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  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #51 - September 10, 2011, 06:46 PM
    Whenever I participate in discussions about this topic of "Ideal Muslimah" ,western women somehow end up in the fucking discussion. ALWAYS. The people I argue with insist that western women are much worse and live in shitty conditions because there's no one to "care for them". It's always the same discouraging and depressing stuff. Females are created like that and are too weak to defend themselves, always need a man to "protect" them and that only a fool would not want someone to protect them and provide for them. Yes, I'm a fool for saying that I don't want someone to "take care of me" as if I'm a child.

    Muslims always need rules. They can't do anything in their lives without asking sheiks and mullahs for guidance. I'm going to admit that some of these fucked up rules would actually work if and only if there's an ideal society. In the ideal society, there's money for everyone, and there would be no poor. There are no crimes, thus everyone is safe. There is no need for a woman to want more, because she has everything she wants. Men work happily and come back home happy, thus a good mood and a woman who's satisfied and doesn't want the things women today ask for(independence?). A woman is worth half a man when it comes to inheritance might be good, because it's assumed that the man will provide for his family since men are responsible(lol) and will not invest money in useless stuff(getting a second wife?) that his sister could've used more wisely if she had the chance to. You get the point. I(and so many women)wouldn't have liked all that even in an ideal world. My personality won't allow me to sit home and be dependent on a man. Muslims don't think about the alternatives and assume that everything goes according to plan,and that everyone is the same. Even suggested solutions to problems that arise are stupid.

    Things have changed since this stupid Islamic Golden Age or whatever(if it was actually an ideal state like Muslims make it look like). Women are not so safe outside I know that, but they're not that safe inside their houses either. If a woman marries a shitty guy, she's screwed. It's always her fault if a man is not happy. It's always the woman's fault if they screw up. If a guy commits zina, it's because women don't wear hijab and tempt the poor guy into disobeying Allah. If the guy is not happy, it's because his wife is not doing her job properly. If a woman refuses to have sex with a guy, he goes all angry and angels curse her till she wakes up. If a guy comes back from work and snaps at her because of work problems, she should accept that and shut up because she's required to be "understanding". I have to be fair though. In many families,when a woman gets beaten up by a man,women and men despise him(well at least in my family they do).

    Since I've grown up and realized how shitty my status in this life is, I challenged some ideas in Islam and talked about how we must've misinterpreted the Qur'an (haha) Now I know it's all bullshit. I'm 22 now and I'm starting to get confused. Who is right and who is wrong? Are Muslim women living better than western women? Will I be safe if I don't have a man by my side? Am I that weak? (after effects of a recent discussion with my dad about how I'm going to suffer without a husband and die alone grin12)

    To be honest, I'm always afraid that I'm going to get raped or something. I feel so weak it hurts so much. Everyone and everything keep reminding me everyday of how physically(and sometimes emotionally)weak women are.

    I'm sorry. I end up talking about myself when I post most of the time :S
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #52 - September 10, 2011, 07:15 PM
    Someone once  said: Freedom means responsibility. That's why many people are afraid of it.   parrot
    I realised that God was too much like man to be God. by prince Spinoza
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #53 - September 10, 2011, 07:59 PM
     @ whyme89 I empathize with you. Those feelings of fear and insecurity are natural. Heck! even  men are not safe these days,unless you happen to be Colonel Q/QMan/etc.etc  Cheesy Wink,which is ironic since we are supposed be living in civilizations.
    It's admirable that you want to take responsibility for yourself.You are confused because you have dared to think for yourself, that's a very good sign.
    The way to come to terms with your legitimate fears is not by becoming a member of your friendly neighbourhood gang or following perfect religions as some brand new member here seems to suggest.
    Each one of us has to work out solutions by himself,that is the very essence of independence!
    But what's encouraging is that in a majority of the cases as time passes by you will have realized that most of your fears were phobias in disguise!
    Good Luck! and be strong YOU SHALL OVERCOME!

    Here's a lovely quote :

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    There are but two roads that lead to an important goal and to the doing of great things: strength and perseverance. Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.
    - Johann von Goethe



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #54 - September 10, 2011, 08:02 PM
    Quote from: MerrySquirell on September 10, 2011, 07:15 PM
    Someone once  said: Freedom means responsibility. That's why many people are afraid of it.   parrot


    Indeed! but you have got the wrong address. It would be appropriate in a forum for brand new converts!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #55 - September 11, 2011, 04:51 AM
    @ whyme

    It's not irrational to be afraid of being raped. Fear makes one cautious to avoid trouble- prevention is better than the cure

    When I use an electric saw I'm so scared I'll cut my finger off. This doesn't stop me using the saw (I love woodwork, DIY, etc)- it makes me more careful and so far no accidents! I swith the saw off at the mains when changing the blade for example, I work slow and steady to avoid slips. This is the same with rape. I don't walk down dark alleys, I make sure I don't walk around in quiet places alone at night, I don't be a tease in clubs chatting/flirting with strangers and accepting drinks.

    Believing a woman needs a man for protection is foolish. How many men? How strong must the man be? Unless the man is superman, he won't be able to protect you if a stronger man wants to mug you or even rape you (and probably him too!), and he certainly won't be able to protect you if more than one man attacks or even a group of women!

    The muslim life is not the ideal, even if the society was ideal! My bf has enough money that I never have to worry, he has a lot of time as he's self employed and now needs to do very little to maintain his wealth, he participates in all household chores- at the moment I have so much stress cos of work- I've started a business plus another job of writing with a deadline- why do I bother when I could have a life of peace and luxury? The reason is because I want to achieve things for myself. What's the fun in a life of luxury, what's the point of getting out of bed if there's nothing to do but sit around all day? If we wanted we could have a cook and cleaner and someone to do all the ironing, I could literally do nothing, go shopping, etc, but I'd hate that! I love to have a purpose, to have a goal and I feel pride when I achieve a goal, and even if I fail I feel pride that I at least tried! The ideal world of the man providing everything assumes that the ideal world for a woman is what? To laze about? Even if a woman wants to be a home maker, raise kids etc this is a tough job- I resent how islam reduces this job to such an inferior place- so much so in fact that the role, assigned to women by men in islam, equates to 1/8th of the role assigned to men (of earning) proven by the fact that this is the share of the wealth the woman gets if her husband dies!

  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #56 - September 11, 2011, 07:29 AM
    Excellent advice!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #57 - September 11, 2011, 07:48 PM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on September 10, 2011, 07:59 PM
    even  men are not safe these days,unless you happen to be Colonel Q/QMan/etc.etc  Cheesy Wink


    Can't disagree with that Cheesy

    Quote from: hypocrucifier on September 10, 2011, 07:59 PM
    Good Luck! and be strong YOU SHALL OVERCOME!


    Thanks Hipo :-)

    Quote from: Saffire on September 11, 2011, 04:51 AM
    Believing a woman needs a man for protection is foolish. How many men? How strong must the man be? Unless the man is superman, he won't be able to protect you if a stronger man wants to mug you or even rape you (and probably him too!), and he certainly won't be able to protect you if more than one man attacks or even a group of women!


    That's exactly what I mean when I say that Muslims don't think of other possibilities. They fool themselves into thinking that their rules are perfect for all situations.
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #58 - September 11, 2011, 11:38 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>That's exactly what I mean when I say that Muslims don't think of other possibilities. They fool themselves into thinking that their rules are perfect for all situations.<<<<<<<<<<

    Especially when most desi women, perhaps women in general are more likely to find violence perpetrated against them from menfolk in thier own household.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: The Ideal Muslimah and Her Husband
     Reply #59 - September 11, 2011, 11:55 PM
    So it's bat shit crazy to seek civil liberties,peace and 'honor' in religion.


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
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