Curiosity, the (did god create the universe) series

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Curiosity, the (did god create the universe) series
OP - August 07, 2011, 07:23 PM

On the science (SCI) channel this evening, a new series/documentary
on if the laws of nature can co-exist equally with the belief in god.

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Re: Curiosity, the (did god create the universe) series
Reply #1 - August 07, 2011, 07:28 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on August 07, 2011, 07:23 PM
On the science (SCI) channel this evening, a new series/documentary
on if the laws of nature can co-exist equally with the belief in god.

Everything that has/could ever existed could be accounted for, yet theists would still say god is compatible.
Its much like answering how the universe began; Theists will just claim that the universe exists inside something else and god created that instead; Its unfalsifiable and has an infinite level of distortion, flexibility and shape-shifting availability for it.
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Re: Curiosity, the (did god create the universe) series
Reply #2 - August 07, 2011, 07:40 PM

mighty kitty.. this seems to be a pretty big deal as the green channel and ID
are also airing this. Im interested to see how biased its gonna be, either way.

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Re: Curiosity, the (did god create the universe) series
Reply #3 - August 08, 2011, 01:01 AM

HOLY SHNIKIES!! WOW!!

if you missed it, damn!! it was amazing!!

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Reply #4 - August 10, 2011, 12:46 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuOxTiotS9Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CFKfmdUZoE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgXJJ68-xAo&NR=1

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Reply #5 - August 10, 2011, 12:58 AM

thanks for posting that, stuff! Did you watch it?
if so, what did you think?

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Reply #6 - August 10, 2011, 01:18 AM

It's cool
Visual effects are nice.

Theists will of course maintain that God can exist 'outside of time' somehow, irrespective of what physicists think. Neither will most theists be prepared to reject causality as a metaphysical principle and agree that it's dependent on time and space. They will still ask why the singularity expanded into our universe. If time didn't exist within it, it follows that there was no activity inside. It was perfectly still, yet it expanded. Understandably, it's counter-intuitive. To our mind, formed in seemingly deterministic universe, the notion of uncased event is almost unthinkable.

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Reply #7 - August 10, 2011, 06:05 AM

Quote from: Stuff on August 10, 2011, 01:18 AM

Theists will of course maintain that God can exist 'outside of time' somehow, irrespective of what physicists think. Neither will most theists be prepared to reject causality as a metaphysical principle and agree that it's dependent on time and space. They will still ask why the singularity expanded into our universe. If time didn't exist within it, it follows that there was no activity inside. It was perfectly still, yet it expanded. Understandably, it's counter-intuitive. To our mind, formed in seemingly deterministic universe, the notion of uncased event is almost unthinkable.

By broadening and/or rejecting the metaphysical principle of causality the theist is claiming that the finite past has an initial state at singularity. Singularity is atemporal since it exist at t=0 which is not a valid time. But God caused this atemporal initial state.
Thus the theist is defining God's action as a relation of production. God has an exclusive relation to the universe.

This is the only way I could make sense of an atemporal God. But it limits us to a deistic type of God. A relation of production implies that God is primarily concerned with creating universes.
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Reply #8 - August 16, 2011, 05:39 PM

Damn, that was brilliant. Thanks for posting Stuff.

An alternative to religion;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk
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Reply #9 - August 16, 2011, 08:58 PM

NP.

Also, here is a short newscientist video which touches on how (and why) a universe could have appeared from nothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJIWobQh9WI&lc=9HdbS7EbNIguXVf5TX-J1-FpnBWYp_PmvaCLh84khZI&feature=inbox

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Reply #10 - August 16, 2011, 09:11 PM

Has the show been posted elsewhere? Those 3 youtube videos have been removed.

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Reply #11 - August 18, 2011, 05:49 AM

Very enjoyable, I was actually surprised it was on pretty much every discovery channel (even TLC.....I guess they ran out of 16 year olds with 12 kids or something).
There's been a few of them as of late, I believe that other show "Through the Wormhole" with Morgan Freeman touched on the same topics.

Also, the post show debate was fun to watch

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