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 Topic: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises

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  • First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     OP - August 10, 2011, 04:31 PM

    Scientists say that they have found evidence that our universe was 'jostled' by other parallel universes in the distant past.

    The incredible claim emerged after they studied patterns in the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB) – the after-effects of the Big Bang.

    They say they may have found evidence that four circular patterns found in the CMB are 'cosmic bruises' where our universe has crashed into other universes at least four times.

     The different signatures of a bubble collision. A collision (top left) induces a temperature change in the CMB temperature map (top right). The 'blob' associated with the collision is identified by a large needlet response (bottom left), and the presence of an edge is determined by a large response from the edge detection algorithm (bottom right)
    The findings are based on the complex theory of eternal inflation for our universe. This theory holds that out universe if only one bubble in a larger cosmos and that other universes,which will have different physics to our own, all exist at the same time.
    This is also know as the the multiverse theory.
    Where these universe bubbles crash against each other they leave signature traces in the background radiation, some scientists believe.

    The findings, by Stephen Feeney from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at University College London, are likely to be controversial.

    A number of cosmologists have already written in response to the paper that it is too easy to jump to conclusions about what can be seen in the CMB.

    The team behind the paper accept that 'it is rather easy to find all sorts of statistically unlikely properties in a large dataset like the CMB'.

    But they add: 'If a bubble collision is verified by future data, then we will gain an insight not only into our own universe but a multiverse beyond.'
    The paper, published online yesterday, comes just a month after a similar study of the background radiation claimed to have discovered evidence that the universe existed before the Big Bang.
    Most scientists believe the universe was created in the Big Bang around 13.7 billion years ago. Stars and galaxies started to form around 300 million years later. Our Sun was born around five billion years ago, while life first appeared on the Earth around 3.7 billion years ago.
    The CMB dates back to 300,000 years after the Big Bang and has now cooled to around -270 degrees Celsius.
     A map of the cosmic background radiation (CMB) in the universe with circles which may signify events that took place before the Big Bang
    A paper posted online on the website arXiv.org by respected scientists Professor Roger Penrose from Oxford University and Professor Vahe Gurzadyan from Yerevan State University, Armenia, suggested the universe could be much older han previously thought.

    Penrose and Gurzadyan argue that evidence unearthed by Nasa’s Wilkinson Microwave Anisotophy Probe in the CMB shows imprints in the radiation that are older than the Big Bang.
    They say they have discovered 12 examples of concentric circles, some of which have five rings, meaning the same object has had five massive events in its history.
    The rings appear around galaxy clusters in which the variation in the background radiation appears to be strangely low.
    The research appears to cast aside the widely-held 'inflationary' theory of the origins of the universe, that it began with the Big Bang, and will continue to expand until a point in the future, when it will end.

    They believe the circles are imprints of extremely violent gravitational radiation waves generated by supermassive black hole collisions in a previous aeon before the last big bang.
     
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1338818/First-evidence-universes-exist-alongside-discovered.html#ixzz1Ue0ZNMzE

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  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #1 - August 10, 2011, 06:12 PM

    This is actually incredibly old news. I even had a video on it on an account that I eventually shut down, this was years ago..

  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #2 - August 10, 2011, 06:17 PM

    Maybe 20-30 years old in fact. It's directly involved with the 11 dimensional theory- maths seems to work, apparently gravity may be leaking into our universe from other parallel universes which would account for its weakness relative to the 3 other forces.

    The theory of parallel universes has been around for a long, long time but there was no reason to suspect it was the direction for theoretical physicists to pursue until recently.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #3 - August 10, 2011, 06:23 PM

    FUCKING HELL, INCREDIBLE NEWS: Mighty Cats and Crazy Islam are actually two different people!!??!!! Well, I never....

    But thanks Crazy Cat, that's an interesting read Smiley

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  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #4 - August 10, 2011, 06:28 PM

    Quote
    Maybe 20-30 years old in fact. It's directly involved with the 11 dimensional theory- maths seems to work, apparently gravity may be leaking into our universe from other parallel universes which would account for its weakness relative to the 3 other forces.



    i think the idea is actually that gravity is 'leaking' out of our universe rather than into it thus accounting for the feebleness of it's apparent strength compared to the other three.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #5 - August 10, 2011, 06:32 PM

    It's definitely an increasingly popular idea in  theoretical physics but so many plausible ideas have been tossed about, and the idea is that it is going through many dimensions before it reaches us has been another recent one suggested. There is no evidence either way - the problem with theoretical physics, just that the mathematics works.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #6 - August 10, 2011, 10:17 PM

    hmmmm...i can't envisage how gravity leaking into our universe from other parallel universes would decrease the strength of the force of gravity in our universe, also the idea of gravity traveling through many dimensions before 'reaching us' seems at odds with what we know about the way in which gravity works.

    a much more plausible proposal, i think, comes from string theory (which proposes 'hidden' dimensions). in the theory all matter and the three forces, EM, weak and strong, consist of vibrating open ended strings and the ends of the strings are tethered to our 3-dimesional universe/brane and these srtings are thus confined to the three space dimensions we are familiar with. however the force 'particle' that transmits gravity, the graviton, instead of being an open ended string is a closed loop - hence the 'graviton string' is not tethered to our 3-dimensional brane like the photon and the other two force particles (and matter particles), and is thus free to escape into the extra dimensions that the theory proposes. this dliutes the force of gravity and thus it appears to us as a very feeble force compared to EM, strong and weak forces.

    (sorry for rambling)

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #7 - August 10, 2011, 11:36 PM

    Everything you stated was right, the graviton is a closed loop if we are considering the superstring theory model and therefore it's strength dilutes into the other dimensions. With the reverse idea, consider that in the 11th dimension that there is another membrane universe and in that universe there are a completely different set of particles which that universe is made up of. In that membrane universe, gravity may be just as strong as the other forces but by the time it reached us it would be significantly weaker. Basically the graviton can not be leaking into empty space (the mathematics does not permit that in the superstring theory model). Alternatively, adding a parallel universe/membrane in the 11th dimension means the graviton may be coming from that universe and leaking into ours due to the graviton spends most of its time in the 11th dimension membrane but it could be the other way round too. Since the graviton is a closed string it may be freely bouncing between both branes. Superstring theory and m-theory is still highly speculative though.

    Watch this video (explains it much better than I will ever be able to):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-mLF23JzKA&feature=related

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #8 - August 10, 2011, 11:59 PM

    ok thanks  Smiley although i'm still not sure what gravity coming to us from another dimension has to do with gravity we expereince as a result of interactions between matter in our own dimension. crazy stuff. i think in the string theory model the gravitons are thought of as drifting off into the 'hidden' dimensions (i.e. the extra dimesions to the three space dimesions we can see) - and most string theorists still insist this is possible.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: First evidence of a multiverse: Cosmic bruises
     Reply #9 - August 11, 2011, 12:32 AM

    Yeah, no problem. Quantum theory in general is counter-intuitive. Being able to do the mathematics is crucial behind these theories as this is the really the main basis physicists have for supporting these theories. The problem is we are yet to collide particles and find evidence for energy disappearing in other dimensions and so on and until we do we will not know how gravity works, entirely. Scientists will always have disagreements amongst each other and I don't think we're close to finding a unification theory anytime soon.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
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