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 Topic: The Teleporter and Our Identity

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  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #60 - August 12, 2011, 01:57 AM
    Do we, though?
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #61 - August 12, 2011, 02:58 AM
    Well, I associate myself more with the 12 year old z10 than the door of my room at that time, if that's what you mean?
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    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #62 - August 12, 2011, 12:10 PM
    Quote from: Kodanshi on August 12, 2011, 12:02 AM
    I call her Jennifer Piranhaston. Because, you know, she has a face like that of a piranha fish. Great arse and legs though!

    h8er
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #63 - August 12, 2011, 05:14 PM
    Saying she has great legs and arse makes me a hater? Nah, mate, naaaah.

    Quote from: asbdsp#J on August 12, 2011, 01:13 AM
    This problem to me sounds suspiciously like some sort of scientific fallacy. Our cells die and reproduce new ones every second. Never am I concerned with the existential problem of my body's hourly/daily "suicide", nor do I think this problem would manifest itself as a remotely practical consideration in OP's teleportation scenario.

    Our cells die, yes. However, they do not die all at once and instantly get replaced by completely new ones.
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #64 - August 12, 2011, 09:11 PM
    But in this case though, they would be exactly the same cells so what difference does it make?

    This is one of those points where I think philosophy will fail us in trying to understand reality.
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  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #65 - August 13, 2011, 04:49 PM
    Quote from: z10 on August 12, 2011, 01:48 AM
    I would think that ontology makes more sense, as you said earlier, in a process sense rather than a substance basis. However, I am curious how you balance the idea that it is entirely the case that we are physically different in every way from the person we were 20 years ago, with the idea that we have experience ourselves as the same person throughout this duration of time?


    It's because of memory accumulation. If you had total amnesia, the only way you'd associate yourself with 12 year old z10 is if someone told you and showed you visual similarity in a photograph. Even then, it would merely give you propositional knowledge about your association. You wouldn't share any memories with that guy.

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  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #66 - August 13, 2011, 04:55 PM
    Quote from: asbdsp#J on August 12, 2011, 09:11 PM
    But in this case though, they would be exactly the same cells so what difference does it make?

    This is one of those points where I think philosophy will fail us in trying to understand reality.


    I suppose we could always question this:
    'What If I have been replaced with a clone of my original self now?'

    Obviously extremely unlikely, but if we are identical clones to the original which has now been destroyed, how would we determine that? (rhetorical).
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #67 - August 13, 2011, 07:44 PM
    this thread is too srs.

    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #68 - August 13, 2011, 07:47 PM
    ..These memes get more and more obscure by the day...

  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #69 - August 13, 2011, 07:49 PM
    what memes?
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #70 - August 13, 2011, 07:51 PM
    Quote from: shilakijawani on August 13, 2011, 07:49 PM
    what memes?


    The shark from memegenerator?
    Is there really anything else I could possibly be referring to at this moment?
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #71 - August 13, 2011, 07:52 PM
    I thought that was a cow.

    Yeah but you said 'memes' which is a plural, and what I posted was a singular, single meme.

    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #72 - August 13, 2011, 07:57 PM
    Well what I meant was that the memes >> (the types that people usually post these days) , are more obscure than before.

    Quote from: shilakijawani on August 13, 2011, 07:52 PM
    I thought that was a cow.

    Same thing; both have eyes.
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #73 - August 13, 2011, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on August 13, 2011, 07:57 PM
    Same thing; both have eyes.

    Wiser words have never been spoken.
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #74 - August 14, 2011, 03:12 AM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on August 13, 2011, 04:55 PM
    I suppose we could always question this:
    'What If I have been replaced with a clone of my original self now?'

    Obviously extremely unlikely, but if we are identical clones to the original which has now been destroyed, how would we determine that? (rhetorical).


    The question is a false analogy because clones aren't the same as the original due to differences in their respective environments.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #75 - August 14, 2011, 03:31 PM
    Quote from: asbdsp#J on August 14, 2011, 03:12 AM
    The question is a false analogy because clones aren't the same as the original due to differences in their respective environments.



    So you're saying that there is no way that you could have been cloned and switched at any point in your sleep or by being unknowingly drug induced?

    Im not saying you were or that its even a vaguely probable situation to any extent, but there are infact a number of hypothetical ways where you could have been copied and replaced with another version , neither being aware of it (and its not as if the teleporters can't be immediately next to each other such as an 'entrance-exit' system or where you incidentally come back out of the one you came in) so the argument still stands..

    'Lets assume you are open to a vague possibility that you are a copy of an original that no longer exists, how would you determine that? or could you even do it?'

    If the answer is along the lines of 'I can't' or 'Even if I was a clone, its obviously still 'me' in hindsight', then it stands to reason that the issue in question is somewhat unnecessary.
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #76 - August 14, 2011, 08:12 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #77 - August 14, 2011, 11:17 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on August 14, 2011, 03:31 PM

    So you're saying that there is no way that you could have been cloned and switched at any point in your sleep or by being unknowingly drug induced?

    Im not saying you were or that its even a vaguely probable situation to any extent, but there are infact a number of hypothetical ways where you could have been copied and replaced with another version , neither being aware of it (and its not as if the teleporters can't be immediately next to each other such as an 'entrance-exit' system or where you incidentally come back out of the one you came in) so the argument still stands..

    'Lets assume you are open to a vague possibility that you are a copy of an original that no longer exists, how would you determine that? or could you even do it?'

    If the answer is along the lines of 'I can't' or 'Even if I was a clone, its obviously still 'me' in hindsight', then it stands to reason that the issue in question is somewhat unnecessary.


    The reason a clone isn't the same is because we are each imprinted with our experiences. In order for a clone to be capable of replacing me, he'd have to have the exact same environment as me, which at this point is clearly outside of human capability to comprehend let alone reproduce.

    In addition, even if the clone thought he was me, the version of my self locked up in the closet to be replaced would certainly know better.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #78 - August 17, 2011, 01:14 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #79 - August 17, 2011, 08:52 PM
    back when I was a theist, I always wondered if there exists a teleportation device, and I use that teleporter, would my soul follow along with that body, or would my soul be left behind and my body simply falls down lifeless?

    but if there is no soul, then it's really easy; teleportation is suicide. The machine basically chops you up in little pieces, transport those little pieces through some unidentified medium, and reassembles you back again at the destination point. You'll feel like nothing had happened, but in reality the 'old' you died in the process while the 'new' you is simply an exact copy of you.
  • Re: The Teleporter and Our Identity
     Reply #80 - August 17, 2011, 10:20 PM
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    but if there is no soul, then it's really easy; teleportation is suicide. The machine basically chops you up in little pieces, transport those little pieces through some unidentified medium, and reassembles you back again at the destination point. You'll feel like nothing had happened, but in reality the 'old' you died in the process while the 'new' you is simply an exact copy of you.


    Bah, who cares for old me. He died last night, in his sleep. Then a marginally different person woke up in his place, and went to work.
    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
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