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Reply #30 - August 12, 2011, 11:34 PM

OK thanks guys.

Would any of you consider/desire a homosexual relationship?

btw where's NineBerry? I miss him. He's Gay btw.
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Reply #31 - August 12, 2011, 11:37 PM

I know a member here who is bi .. don't know if they want their identity revealed. .. personally I wouldn't mind .. but still better to cautious eh?
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Reply #32 - August 12, 2011, 11:38 PM

Quote from: Zaiba on August 12, 2011, 11:25 PM
I have to say I admire your honesty, I don't think anyone here would accept that they hated homosexuals when they were muslims. I know I wouldn't if I had managed to hate my best friend

Umm no PT, I'm afraid I don't think I'm with you on that one.

LOL ok Zaiba. Perhaps you're not much of the sex lover you make yourself out to be then?!

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Reply #33 - August 12, 2011, 11:42 PM

Quote from: Hassan on August 12, 2011, 11:18 PM
Doughnuts/Pie - you know - tbh - if there's love who gives a shit.

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Reply #34 - August 12, 2011, 11:44 PM

Quote from: Hassan on August 12, 2011, 11:34 PM
OK thanks guys.

Would any of you consider/desire a homosexual relationship?

btw where's NineBerry? I miss him. He's Gay btw.

No... I mean, I don't think it works that way.

I had a "lesbian stage" at one point in my life. Very brief, one girl. She was a close friend of mine and I thought I liked her. We both felt something there.. but she had a boyfriend at the time anyway, and we would all hang out. An overwhelming desire to kiss her came over me once... I can't remember if I did or not (I was 16 at the time).. probably just a kiss on the cheek. But now I wonder if I felt this way because she was a bit masculine?

Anyway, so I don't think you can consider/desire a homosexual relationship. You don't sit down and decide "Ok, I want to try to be with this person.." I think you're either gay or you're not. Or you're bi.

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Reply #35 - August 12, 2011, 11:47 PM

Quote from: Peppermint Tits on August 12, 2011, 11:38 PM
LOL ok Zaiba. Perhaps you're not much of the sex lover you make yourself out to be then?!

If you hadn't noticed, I'm going through an asexual phase.
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Reply #36 - August 12, 2011, 11:48 PM

I didn't hate gay people as a muslim, I actually didn't even know about them til I was older and even then not from my parents. I never thought it was wrong, it's actually one of things that disturbed me about islam, I believe they don't have a choice in being gay or now, so why would Allah make them go to hell, and my mom called is a disease, but if it was a disease then again it isn't their fault, it's Allah's fault.

But I still accepted that is was Allah's will (but still didn't hate gay people), and that it was wrong. So when my eye started to linger a bit too long on the girls I stared to feel a lot of guilt.

And yes I do desire a homosexual relationship Women are hawt.
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Reply #37 - August 12, 2011, 11:51 PM

i wish i was gay - or bi to be more accurate, more choice and it must be more interesting. but yeah unfortunately i find man-on-man action quite gross and icky, i mean even the idea of kissing another man - i guess evolution shaped most of us that way.

and if we are being honest - when i was muslim i used to think it was wrong, but only because Allah said it was wrong. i didn't find anything inherently wrong with it myself.

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Reply #38 - August 12, 2011, 11:51 PM

This informative video will tell you all you need to know about homosexuality....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijbovskICjk&feature=player_embedded#at=92

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Reply #39 - August 12, 2011, 11:53 PM

I know, we're too hot, for these men alone, Rora ... so for all the laydeeeez out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY

- oops, I mean ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAp9BKosZXs&ob=av2e&has_verified=1
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Reply #40 - August 12, 2011, 11:55 PM

Men are hawt too though Zaiba
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Reply #41 - August 12, 2011, 11:58 PM

Not as hot as us.
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Reply #42 - August 12, 2011, 11:59 PM

Quote from: Zaiba on August 12, 2011, 11:47 PM
If you hadn't noticed, I'm going through an asexual phase.

Oh, ok. No.. I didn't notice because I haven't been around much.

That's cool.

And how did I miss the anal talk?

If you guys find it icky... use a condom?

And Zaiba - you, inhibited, repressed?

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Reply #43 - August 13, 2011, 12:03 AM

LOL I don't think the problem is a bare penis, so the condom won't be helping much.

And to your second question, neither, I just haven't found a girl who I feel that connection with, well I feel a sisterly love connection with my best friend, cause we know each other more than ourselves, but the sexual attraction towards another girl just hasn't occured yet, well that is if you don't count the mirror as one .. it hasn't happened yet.
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Reply #44 - August 13, 2011, 12:13 AM

Quote from: Cheetah on August 12, 2011, 11:51 PM
This informative video will tell you all you need to know about homosexuality....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijbovskICjk&feature=player_embedded#at=92

OMG, so HOMOSEXUAL = Psycho-Killer!
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Reply #45 - August 13, 2011, 12:22 AM

Yes, of course. Didn't you know that? They're on the prowl everywhere.

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Reply #46 - August 13, 2011, 01:37 AM

I knew that homosexuality was "wrong" while muslim but I always had erotic dreams with women. I never really thought much about them. I was too naive to understand that those dreams were unislamic, they were just dreams.

Now I don't call my self anything but pansexuality makes the most sense. I don't necessarily find everything fuckable but I'm open to the idea. I get along with males better though so I'm 80 percent sure my "soulmate" is a guy.

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Reply #47 - August 13, 2011, 03:47 AM

I find penis into ass action personally repugnant and I would not partake in it even in a heterosexual relationship. Also the pain very often involved for the receiver is another reason I would certainly not like to engage in it in a heterosexual relationship.

Other people should be able to do as they please though.

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Reply #48 - August 13, 2011, 08:14 AM

I don't think I gave homosexuality much thought as a young Christian. I 'hated' it on paper of course because god 'hated' it too.
Uber-religious people always seem to lump homosexuality with paedophilia and there was always subtle propoganda floating around, but I don't think I was ever a judgmental person which is probably why religion didn't suit me in the end.

Once I started to realise the various sexual practices in homosexuality (and hetero), I felt icky about anal sex and still do. It didn't make much logical sense to me - it was the orifice for outgoing stuff not incoming , it can be very painful if not done properly, higher rate of infections and long term problems etc. Didn't sound like something I would willingly participate in. But I still didn't see why being gay was such a big deal. Maybe they needed 'spiritual counselling' and ask for god's forgiveness but I could never treat a homosexual as something less than a human being or get hysterical about it.

Also I started to realise that some of my fantasies involved women and my eyes wandered at men and woman equally so although this troubled me (and I thought as long as I never acted on it, God might not get too angry with me lol), it made me realise that I wasn't inherently bad in any way just because of my natural desires so why do people hate gays so much?

Any way once my atheism started to surface and I become more comfortable with my sexuality and sex in general, I found homosexuality didn't bother me one bit. What people do in their private lives is none of my business and as long as both partners are of the right age and consenting, it shouldn't concern anyone, including the law.
No one should be denied something as fundamental as sexual pleasure, love, partnership etc.

So although I still wouldn't want to have anal sex (although I might be persuaded to enjoy a teeny bit of it lol), I don't see anything rational in hating someone who is not hetero and given my bisexual tendencies, I would be a hypocrite if I did.
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Reply #49 - August 13, 2011, 09:02 AM

I used to think I was bi when I was a teenager. I even told my Mum. Then I realised I wasn't. I just don't fancy blokes.

There's nothing remotely wrong with being gay and being open about it. What's noble about living a lie?

The anal sex thing is a bit of a red herring. Homosexuality is about your deep erotic and emotional impulses, not where you put your dick.

Heterosexual anal sex is a huge thing in Brasil. Good luck to them. Hope they have a bidet handy. (Yes, I find it slightly icky too. I have tried it, though, with a woman.)
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Reply #50 - August 13, 2011, 01:52 PM

I think love and an erotic connection are what most of us seek in life and if it happens to be with someone of the same sex who really cares. Why should anyone be denied or deny themselves those pleasures. If it feels good and right, then do it.

I personally was never tempted by a gay relationship because I like mens' bits, body hair and smell too much, but otherwise I might have been tempted.
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Reply #51 - August 13, 2011, 03:05 PM

Quote from: David on August 13, 2011, 09:02 AM
The anal sex thing is a bit of a red herring. Homosexuality is about your deep erotic and emotional impulses, not where you put your dick.

+1 i thought this was kinda obvious

anyways, Hassan, please post more often when you're pissed

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Reply #52 - August 13, 2011, 03:10 PM

Shit! Reading this thread and my posts now is making me cringe! What the hell was I thinking?

I solemnly swear to NEVER EVER post when I'm drunk.
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Reply #53 - August 13, 2011, 04:10 PM

Hehe at least we know what rocks your mind when you're pissed.
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Reply #54 - August 13, 2011, 04:56 PM

To be honest, when i was a muslim i hated gays and find homosexuality repulsing,i was homophobic, i guess its because of my religious and cultural upbringing. Until few months before apostasy my views towards it started to change,the main factor that even made me change my views was when i found out my cousin is gay(im his only relative that knows) and the fact that he is a muslim made me believe that its a natural thing.

Still there is a small trace of homophobia in me,though i dont have a problem with one being gay,and i have no problem of being a friend to one.

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Reply #55 - August 13, 2011, 05:02 PM

Ive never had an issue with people being gay, personally.
(ofcourse the local shop keeper, my teacher and a friend of my mother were gay when I was a child, so its not like I've had to assume a perspective, which is usually where the problem stems).

Its quite easy to notice that muslims who tend to have an issue with people being gay have never actually met one (that they know of).
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Reply #56 - August 13, 2011, 05:05 PM

Rear-mounting was so common when I was growing because girls were rare creatures. Those who rationalised the act went a bit down thighwords and let free their imagination. I have repeatedly heard that there was nothing like a beautiful boy's bum. I have seen it and tried it too. In my mind, it was an act of desperation and "any port in the storm". It was something you did shamefully in hiding and grew out of it. Like sucking your thumb. It is this mindset, I believe now, that makes people think that homosexuality is a choice and weakness of will of the homos crowd.

Yes I did grow out of it and somehow the pleasures of yesterday suddenly have become very disgusting to think of. I absurdly thought it was like eating pork during famine and that hardship brings ease. Have tried anal with an ex and did not like it. It made me feel sick, dirty and '"perverted"'. But then I thought about hetros sex and found myself thinking; doesn't something as unpleasant come from both of the places? Or is it that people tolerate their nubmer 1s more than their number 2s?
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Reply #57 - August 13, 2011, 05:20 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats on August 13, 2011, 05:02 PM
Ive never had an issue with people being gay, personally.
(ofcourse the local shop keeper, my teacher and a friend of my mother were gay when I was a child, so its not like I've had to assume a perspective, which is usually where the problem stems).

Its quite easy to notice that muslims who tend to have an issue with people being gay have never actually met one (that they know of).

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I have a brother-in-law who is gay and you're right , his friends and family don't seem to have a problem accepting that he was born that way. However they do seem to expect that he should be able to suppress and overcome his homosexuality and get married regardless.
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Reply #58 - August 13, 2011, 05:25 PM

Quote from: Azuremist on August 13, 2011, 05:20 PM
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However they do seem to expect that he should be able to suppress and overcome his homosexuality and get married regardless.

Yes, I've seen that myself (only with Christians instead)
It comes down to the lack of internal consistency brought forth by a lack of thought into their beliefs.
If God knows all, then he knows the man is gay by nature --so why should he be expected to change? and if he's going to be sent to hell because of being gay, then this conclusion is founded by god which is a contradiction to the 'all loving all merciful' characteristic.

If they were to actually think about their position (or to hypothetically attempt to change their own sexual preference) they'd probably give up the idea based on its highly likely invalidity.
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Reply #59 - August 13, 2011, 06:04 PM

As someone who used to give dawah and fatwas to people, I had been asked many times about the legality of having anal sex with one's wife in Islam. Surely if they didn't desire it they wouldn't have inquired about it. In fact, the Islamic ruling is that if a man has anal sex with his legal wife, the marriage is not longer valid - I wonder why? In Kuwait, it is known in certain parlances as the 'deserty way' and I have been told by a trusted Kuwaiti that women there are used to it and expect it from their husbands.

The supreme irony is that the same people, who say it is an abominable act, seek to establish its Islamic legality ignoring that what goes between man and a man is the same thing, in its mechanical component, as what goes between a man and a woman. If they are wincing at the graphic nature of making anal love I don't understand why don't they find the opposite sex's anus as repellent?

In Saudi, I'm told, promiscuous females have anal sex with their paramours/men so that when getting married they are still virgins - it is rare that a female who had lost her virginity gets a spouse or that a man would remain in a matrimonial contract after finding out that his bride is a 'damaged good'. Because men pay more in dowry for virgins and it would be a rip-off if it transpires a woman's not a virgin. "It is for making it lawful for you" said the Prophet "to enter their vaginas" referring to dowry while talking to men.

I'm also told that this is the reason why you do not see public executions or even floggings for unlawful sex in Saudi, the supposedly Islamically ruled country. What people do is to hush it up, since there's no victim/witness in anal sex, no hymen to be broken. But in the case of pregnancy; there invariably are two things; abortion in a tucked away clinic in Eygpt and forcing the two to get married swiftly before one of them gets killed by one of their family members.

With human's vastly varied tastes in sex, moralising and pathologising is the least moral option, in my view. I have recently wondered what is the evolutionary purpose for homosexuals to exist? I then stopped wondering. In life it is inane to instrumentalise everything, ie the habit of eating; how does eating a chocolate bar serve a survival end? Pleasure has very little to do with survival and yet only human beings in the animal kingdom commit suicide to reduce misery.
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