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  • Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     OP - August 20, 2011, 02:31 PM
    good watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpb7NMR-XOo
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #1 - August 20, 2011, 02:47 PM
     Afro
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #2 - August 20, 2011, 04:47 PM
    Yummy + Phwoar ^ avatar.
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #3 - August 20, 2011, 07:12 PM
    Everything Hawking makes my spine tingle. A truly awesome video.
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #4 - August 20, 2011, 07:40 PM
    i posted about this after watching it, and someone posted the youtube
    vids too.  Absolutely amazing!!!  The last 15 minutes literally left me
    with my jaw dropped lol.  This guy is soooo amazing!

    What i found hilarious, was after the program, they had a debate with
    the vatican's official astronomer, and some pastors, and their arguements were
    so incredibly lame! LOL
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #5 - August 21, 2011, 03:58 AM
    thanks for posting I lets check this doc out!
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #6 - August 21, 2011, 04:51 AM
    wow brilliant !!! just saw this it was simple and beautiful. great video!
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #7 - August 21, 2011, 04:57 AM
    I think as far as cosmologies go, this is a good one. However, it is unfortunate that at the end the good prof decides to answer an ontological question with a temporal answer. To ask the origin of the cosmos is to ask for the origin of absolutely everything, even the principal of spontaneity at the beginning of time.
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #8 - August 21, 2011, 06:23 AM
    Quote from: z10 on August 21, 2011, 04:57 AM
    I think as far as cosmologies go, this is a good one. However, it is unfortunate that at the end the good prof decides to answer an ontological question with a temporal answer. To ask the origin of the cosmos is to ask for the origin of absolutely everything, even the principal of spontaneity at the beginning of time.


    Hmm... I didn't see this to be as much of a problem if you accept the implication that causality is broken.
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #9 - August 21, 2011, 06:33 AM
    Professor Hawking is of the view that there was a black hole smaller than a proton that spontaneously erupted and began time with it. He then concludes that because time starts with the eruption it is not possible to ask any further causality questions. I disagree. I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask the cause of that black hole in the first place, even if the cause is not temporal.
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #10 - August 21, 2011, 06:54 AM
    Quote from: z10 on August 21, 2011, 06:33 AM
    Professor Hawking is of the view that there was a black hole smaller than a proton that spontaneously erupted and began time with it. He then concludes that because time starts with the eruption it is not possible to ask any further causality questions. I disagree. I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask the cause of that black hole in the first place, even if the cause is not temporal.


    Agreed. Although I think the abrupt ending may be due to the fact that this event now appears to be the boundary of empirically verifiable theories examining our origin. Still I grant that this explanation clearly doesn't go far enough to provide your ontological answer.
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #11 - August 21, 2011, 06:58 AM
    I guess the crux of the issue is that an explanation of the origin of the universe may not explain the origin of everything, only the origin of that which we may ever know.

    This may at first sound contradictory but I think it stems from a false definition/understanding of "universe". After all physicists don't hesitate to theorize about the existence of more universes in addition to our own, although at this point such theories are little more than speculation.
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #12 - August 21, 2011, 03:11 PM
    Quote from: z10 on August 21, 2011, 06:33 AM
    Professor Hawking is of the view that there was a black hole smaller than a proton that spontaneously erupted and began time with it. He then concludes that because time starts with the eruption it is not possible to ask any further causality questions. I disagree. I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask the cause of that black hole in the first place, even if the cause is not temporal.


    I think Hawking would say that a-temporal cause doesn't make any sense.
    You either have the first cause (uncaused), or an infinite regress of causes beyond singularity.
    IMO the latter is more problematic. Still conceivable though, I guess.

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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #13 - August 21, 2011, 03:58 PM
    At last I had time to view the whole film. Amazing stuff. However, one question arose when I saw it. Mr. Hawking, who is physically not much more than a living brain (and I admire him!), does not explain why the positive energy/matery we know has a tendency to clot together in stones. moons, planets, suns, galaxys and so on, while the co-existing negative energy/matery does not seem to have these properties.
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #14 - August 21, 2011, 04:12 PM
    this is great.

    watching this makes my decision to apostasize a whole lot easier Cheesy
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #15 - August 21, 2011, 04:49 PM
    Very good video. But he assumes that because time did not exist until the big bang then there was no time for God to exist in and create the laws of quantum physics and the big bang.

    But what if God exists outside of time - seems the fairly obvious answer.
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #16 - August 21, 2011, 04:51 PM
    ^In that case it's so far away we shouldn't bother  Cheesy
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #17 - August 21, 2011, 04:51 PM
    Quote from: z10 on August 21, 2011, 06:33 AM
    Professor Hawking is of the view that there was a black hole smaller than a proton that spontaneously erupted and began time with it. He then concludes that because time starts with the eruption it is not possible to ask any further causality questions. I disagree. I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask the cause of that black hole in the first place, even if the cause is not temporal.


    Yes, kinda what I was getting at.
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #18 - August 21, 2011, 06:19 PM
    sometimes I think all of us, this world, this galaxy, the whole of universe, are just God's imagination. It kinda makes sense that way, especially after looking at this:

    http://i.imgur.com/VSAC0.jpg
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #19 - August 21, 2011, 07:55 PM
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    sometimes I think all of us, this world, this galaxy, the whole of universe, are just God's imagination. It kinda makes sense that way, especially after looking at this:


    I remember when long time ago when i watched cosmos. Carl sagan pointed out that hindus beleived that =o.

    watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0



    Also faved the video. Haven't watched it yet but i have been hearind alot about "Curiosity - Did God Create the Universe " i wonder if its worth the hype Tongue



    Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #20 - August 21, 2011, 08:09 PM
    Btw does anyone know where i can find an HD torrent of it =3?



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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #21 - August 21, 2011, 08:15 PM
    This??
    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6594094/Curiosity.S01E01.Did.God.Create.the.Universe.HDTV.XviD-DiVERGE
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #22 - August 21, 2011, 08:56 PM
    was a brilliant documentary, very informative
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #23 - August 21, 2011, 09:02 PM
    Just downoaded it and when I watched it I realised I posted it on my FB page about a week ago :/ Very insightfuhly enjoyed  vid, thoroughly enjoyed it Afro
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #24 - August 22, 2011, 03:18 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 21, 2011, 04:49 PM
    Very good video. But he assumes that because time did not exist until the big bang then there was no time for God to exist in and create the laws of quantum physics and the big bang.

    But what if God exists outside of time - seems the fairly obvious answer.


    yes, that one simple theory almost made me rethink
    certain possibilities  wacko

    But then I go back to the idea of a "Creator" and what the hell does IT have
    to do with us?  Apparently, not much lol.  If a creator did create us, he got
    bored a long time ago and split to do other creator things lol
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #25 - August 22, 2011, 03:53 AM
    JnT, Imagine if we were to take your hand and study it scientifically. We would find that there are various networks of blood and neurons, a self sustaining system that seems to forever have things coming and going. Nowhere from within the facts of your hand would we know that it actually belongs to a person and is moved through mental choice.
    I think analogously, we can think of us being within the universe, and the many comings and goings that sustain this place as the quantum foam.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #26 - August 22, 2011, 07:38 AM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on August 21, 2011, 03:58 PM
    At last I had time to view the whole film. Amazing stuff. However, one question arose when I saw it. Mr. Hawking, who is physically not much more than a living brain (and I admire him!), does not explain why the positive energy/matery we know has a tendency to clot together in stones. moons, planets, suns, galaxys and so on, while the co-existing negative energy/matery does not seem to have these properties.

    Well, we don't actually know that since dark matter is undetectable except by its gravitational effects. So even if it was in bloody great lumps we can't see them and wouldn't know.
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #27 - August 29, 2011, 01:52 AM
    This looks similar to his "Into the Universe With Stephen Hawking". Are they two different names of the same documentary or is this a new one?
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  • Re: Stephen Hawking doc - Did God Create the Universe ?
     Reply #28 - August 29, 2011, 12:51 PM
    its different ^
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