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 Topic: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?

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  • In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     OP - August 27, 2011, 02:21 PM

    This is kind of a weird question but this apart of my research for my comic for some characters.

    Western society seems to have this bitter perspective with Muslims. Take for example staring at a hijabi thinking she's oppressed. Pointing out the numerous violent actions taken against people for criticizing Islam (Media's favorite topic ). Pointing out the violence and sexual mis-conduct by Mohammad himself.

    With all this scrutiny about Islam worldwide. How does the Muslim community take this? Are the issues about radicalization addressed or talked about? What are Muslim kids taught when they ask why everyone hates them or stares? Are the tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in these societies attempt at being broken so everyone can inter-mingle and work together? or is everyone encourage to stay in their circle and stay away from the other.

    To sum it up what's the attitude towards the Western world and its views on Islam from within a Muslim community bubble perspective growing up. I'm especially interested in family conversations about this. Thanks

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #1 - August 27, 2011, 02:37 PM

    I can tell you a bit, from an American muslim's perspective.
    Especially in the chat room where my dawa dudes were.
    Had lots of trolls come in, and quite a few Americans come
    in curious about islam.  When the trolls would come in and
    shout crazy shit, we would all respond with "durka durka!"

    I asked one of my dawaghandists privately (his family was yemeni)
    how he felt when people came there and were VERY rude and
    hurtful.  He said he was used to it, and just blew it off.  He was
    born/raised in the states and an American citizen. 

    But all of their focus WAS on converting westerners, especially
    Americans.

    Those in my masjid treated me like shit, even tho I was a devout
    muslim, because I was an anglo American.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #2 - August 27, 2011, 03:04 PM

    The scrutiny of Islam was going to be an inevitable process due to recent major events and because Islam is heavily involved in the political arena. As far as the Muslim community goes, well they need to accept Islam is just another ideology which can be criticised but I don't think that's a realistic possibility. However, there's a strong need for reform within the religion, as much as I want Islam and all other religions to cease as functional ideologies, that won't happen. Muslims can accept criticism and reform, leave Islam, or live in denial of it.

    The issue of radicalisation really needs to be clamped down, more scholars and authoritative Muslim figures need to propagate peaceful and secular interpretations of Islam within the Muslim community. This needs to start at Friday prayers but there also needs to be a collective movement. The absolutist nature of Islam makes this a difficult one. Secular Muslims will also have the fear of being branded apostates from members within their own community. It really is a tough situation.

    Intermingling can only occur to a certain extent to which individuals are willing to integrate (religion makes it hard for Muslims to do this). Segregation of communities will always lead to alienation and hostility. At least having secular Muslims rise up and a form a common ground between Islam and the West is the first step.

    There's a lot of grey area within this some Muslims really are torn between two identities of being 'Western' and being 'Muslim', not that the two are mutually exclusive but there are many issues and points at what it means to be these two things clash.

    I can tell you a bit, from an American muslim's perspective.
    Especially in the chat room where my dawa dudes were.
    Had lots of trolls come in, and quite a few Americans come
    in curious about islam.  When the trolls would come in and
    shout crazy shit, we would all respond with "durka durka!"

    I asked one of my dawaghandists privately (his family was yemeni)
    how he felt when people came there and were VERY rude and
    hurtful.  He said he was used to it, and just blew it off.  He was
    born/raised in the states and an American citizen. 

    But all of their focus WAS on converting westerners, especially
    Americans.

    Those in my masjid treated me like shit, even tho I was a devout
    muslim, because I was an anglo American.


    That sucks.

    Another attitude within the community that needs to be rid of. Converts (western ones esp) are always seen as 'outsiders' probably due to the fact they have been living a 'haram' life previously, and there's a deeply stemmed cynicism in the Muslim community about that. A sinning Muslim > western convert.






    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #3 - August 27, 2011, 03:16 PM

    It's difficult to discuss Islam in a friendly way with Muslims without them insinuating - or outright calling you - a munafiq (hypocrite), dishonest, sneaky, having some sort of evil agenda, weak-minded, left Islam because of 911/want to party - and of course were never a real Muslim.

    When one separates out all this ad hominem - there is very little actual 'discussing' to be had.
  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #4 - August 27, 2011, 03:23 PM

    …or that you fell prey to the whisperings of Satan. I get that one a lot when I back someone into a corner.
  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #5 - August 27, 2011, 05:33 PM

    ... or that it's a "phase" or you're just "trolling" them (I swear).

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #6 - August 27, 2011, 05:56 PM

    It's difficult to discuss Islam in a friendly way with Muslims without them insinuating - or outright calling you - a munafiq (hypocrite), dishonest, sneaky, having some sort of evil agenda, weak-minded, left Islam because of 911/want to party - and of course were never a real Muslim.

    When one separates out all this ad hominem - there is very little actual 'discussing' to be had.


    I think its scary for them.

    Religion gives them a comfort blanket and a framework to live your life against.
    Many dont care about the intellectual ramifications of their faith. They just want to get on with life and dont have to question anything.


    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #7 - August 27, 2011, 06:57 PM

    Hmm I'm not sure what Dawa is exactly but I can take a pretty good guess. How successful is doing dawa anyway?

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #8 - August 27, 2011, 11:12 PM


    A certain amount is reflexive defensiveness. A certain amount is paralysis and inability to criticise because of the prevailing tyranny of literalism and the consequences of even questioning the institutional part line.

    Even in parts of the world where Islam is not a minority faith, but is the total majority faith, the impulse to introspection and reform is almost totally crippled.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: In face of criticism and scrutiny how does the Muslim community react?
     Reply #9 - August 28, 2011, 02:22 AM

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    A certain amount is reflexive defensiveness. A certain amount is paralysis and inability to criticise because of the prevailing tyranny of literalism and the consequences of even questioning the institutional part line.


    Q4T, bro! On a muslim forum I debunked someone’s rant against evolution. They went on to describe micro and macro evolution, agreeing with the former and rejecting the latter. After working through their points, I added: ‘That’s like believing in stairs but not staircases’, at which point the person went silent.

    From previous reactions I know that he is simply trying to find something online, or from people he knows, that will counter my arguments — instead of ACTUALLY THINKING about the implications of what I have said.
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