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  • Question: Muhammad was... (Please explain in a post)
  • A bad person - 25 (46.3%)
  • A good person - 8 (14.8%)
  • I don't know - 12 (22.2%)
  • Other - 9 (16.7%)
  • Total Voters: 54

 Topic: Was Muhammad a bad person?

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  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #30 - September 04, 2011, 10:09 PM

    I have heard muslims argue that his message was the truth because he was well known to have been sincere but I think that is a weak argument when taking into account the fact that he gave himself special priveleges. A truly great person/leader leads by example & puts his money where his/her mouth is. Mo did not do that. He was insincere & deceitful & that makes him a bad person.

    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #31 - September 04, 2011, 10:14 PM

    Is it bad that I want to travel back in time, meet all the famous prophets and beat the living shite out of them?!
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #32 - September 04, 2011, 10:17 PM

    Many of them never existed Wink you will be beating crap out of nothing!

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #33 - September 04, 2011, 11:00 PM

    I voted other

    He was a person much the same as many members of this forum

    We all believe we think best, our way is better and would improve the world. In many ways we might be right, but we all have our little 'foibles', the things we secretly despise- like drinking/fornication/smoking/fat people/etc. Whatever it is, we all have these personal hatreds.

    Muhammed had some good things to spread to improve the society, but he, as a regular intelligent person, created a fucked up system that's confused, contradictory and plays up to his personal likes and dislikes (I don't think it's right women are treated like shit, but I'm not so insane that I regard them as human, equal to a man!)

    If you look at hitler, as one example, for those who claim muhammed was good, you can assert the same for hitler. I can't give specifics since my knowledge is vague, but hitler had many many positive things to add to society, his 'achilles heel' was his hatred of jews which was his undoing in much the same way muhammed's hatred of women will be/is islam's undoing
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #34 - September 05, 2011, 04:09 AM

    Bad. Its was the single most important thing that led me out of Islam.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #35 - September 05, 2011, 07:34 AM

    Hi Saffire,
    Cool name. One of my dogs has that name except I spell her's Saphire. Well her registered name is Ussarns Sweet
    Saphire.
    Did really mean this:


    ...(I don't think it's right women are treated like shit, but I'm not so insane that I regard them as human, equal to a man!)

    ....

    I'm thinking it's likely a type-o.
    However, in case you actually meant it I agree with you about the ''not so insane as to that I regard them... equal to man''. Well, of course that goes without saying. Anyone who is any body knows that after God made the man he declared, 'For a certainty I can do better then this! Than God formed the woman.' Thus came the saying practise makes perfect. :-)
    The question I really want o ask you is: How insane do you think a person needs to regard women as human?   

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #36 - September 05, 2011, 07:56 PM

    Lol Lynna you misunderstood- I meant this is how Muhammed regarded women. I was speaking as though I was him.

    As in- Muhammed's message is that women aren't dirt but they're certainly not equal

     Cheesy

    LOL that your dog's name is Sapphire, it is a rather poochie name. Glad it's not my real name!

    Also I don't think it's fair to say women are better than men, any more than it's fair to say the opposite. I think men and women, overall, are equal. There are some things men excel in and some women, but for the most part both men and women can pretty much do the same things.

    I always tend to slip into sexism as you have just done. Having been raised in a family of strong and capable women, surrounded by weak and ignorant men, I naturally feel women are better than men. Then I meet many many women who let me down and burst my bubble. Most men are thick, most women are thick- most people are thick. Overall I think men and women are equal.

    However, I do sometimes wonder... what sort of world would we be living in if women had assumed and held onto power thousands of years ago and not men? I can't help but think it would be way better than what we currently have.
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #37 - September 05, 2011, 09:12 PM

    hitler had many many positive things to add to society, his 'achilles heel' was his hatred of jews which was his undoing in much the same way muhammed's hatred of women will be/is islam's undoing


    What the choad?! The only positive thing we can pinpoint to Hitler is the fact he was a vegetarian! What positive things did he add to society?!
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #38 - September 05, 2011, 09:16 PM

    A lot of things, actually. We studied them in history class.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #39 - September 05, 2011, 09:46 PM

    …such as?
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #40 - September 05, 2011, 09:48 PM

    A lot of things, actually. We studied them in history class.


    Hmmmmm...........not sure if you're being serious.

    Uh, he built a lot of roads or something?




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #41 - September 05, 2011, 09:50 PM

    I read this thing in new scientist ages ago with a whole lot of the good things he could have contributed based on his ideas/agenda... and forgot them all. I'm interested to remember though so when I have time I'll definitely look into it again and tell you all about it!

     Afro
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #42 - September 05, 2011, 09:53 PM

     wacko

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #43 - September 05, 2011, 10:03 PM

    Oh... LOL...Okay good misunderstanding!!! That is my joke for when man vs woman comes up. I, myself really think both  woman and man are equal. Different in ways but neither better or worse.

    My dog Saphire is a fawny-blue American Bullterrier. She is very smart. I also have 2 Chihuahuas. One is named Spunkey, he is trained to be my seizure dog. Spunkey trained Saphire how to be a seizure dog as well. They know before I know when I'm going to have a seizure or bad headache, warn me, then gaurd me. The only problem with having an American Bullterrier as a seizure dog is she wont let any one she doesn't know well near me when I'm seizing. Good and bad to that. I know I wont be robbed. However emergency personal have at times just had to watch and wait till I com around enough to command the dogs. Spunkey knows how to belly up when he sees emergency personal, because of his training, but he wont when his is with Saphire. Peer pessure I guess. My other chihuahua is Settlesand just 4 pounds (1.77kg). She just likes me to dress her up and carry her around.

    until our next fun misunderstanding

    BTW my seizures and headahes are almost controlled with medicine now if I don't get over tired.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #44 - September 05, 2011, 10:05 PM

    Mostly economic and social reforms, I think.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #45 - September 05, 2011, 11:09 PM

    Lynna- awesome about the dogs! Takes real discipline and patience to train dogs so  Afro

    I want a dog too but a 'proper' one like an akita. I'm not sure though since pure breeds tend to be more difficult to train. What's your opinion?

    I'm glad to hear about your seizures/headaches being almost controlled. The condition must be a torment to live with, never knowing when your body's going to betray you leaving you vulnerable. It's good your dogs are around to protect you (although sucks about them being OTT with the paramedics!).
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #46 - September 06, 2011, 06:50 PM

    Mostly economic and social reforms, I think.

    You ‘think’? Plus you’ve given no detail on the nature of these reforms and what benefits they had. It could be said that any reforms he made (such as mass extirpation of Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, Jazz fans) led directly to the devastated ruin of Germany at the end of 1945. Not the best thing to boast about…
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #47 - September 06, 2011, 06:54 PM

    Meh, I can't be bothered to actually try to defend Hitler, even if I think he's defensible.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #48 - September 06, 2011, 07:15 PM

     wacko

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #49 - September 06, 2011, 10:04 PM

    Do you think that Mohammad was a historical person that really lived??
    What is for you the proof for it??
    Are there any independent documents outside islamic literature that refer to him??
    Has there been any archaeological evidence??? Did you ever ask this question???


    I personally think Muhammad was a good person overall, if we take into account the historical and cultural context of his life. I think this is especially true when we consider his pre-Islamic and early Islamic days (of course, assuming Islamic accounts are reliable), when he was known for his honesty and trustworthiness (الصادق الأمين), when he meditated in a cave all alone for long periods of time to reach some kind of divine essence he honestly wished to worship, and when he formed a religion that prohibited many of the uncivilized practices of the time (particularly infanticide). He forgave his enemies often (when conquering Mecca - though perhaps for religious reasons. When visiting Ta'if -- then again, it is mentioned he saved them because of their future Muslim progeny. The Jews that used to dump rubbish outside his doorstep.) Granted, sometimes he wasn't so forgiving, like when he killed people who insulted him and when he came up with Soorat al Masad.

    He was said to live in a very modest home -- even though he took a lot of the war bounty. He sounds somewhat self-deprecatory in parts of the Quran (speaking as Allah, of course). Then again, not so much in others. And there are a few hadeeths which show extensive pride.

    However, later on in his prophethood, it seems as though all the power and success got to him -- many of his "atrocities" seem to come from this period.

    Anyway, overall, if I'm asked to evaluate Muhammad's life using what I know of it, based on Islamic sources, I would probably say that he was a good man. Not nearly good enough for the ultimate prophet of God, but a decent human being, who had his faults and gave in to temptation occasionally.

    What do you guys think?

  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #50 - September 06, 2011, 10:11 PM

    I've never met this Muhammad chap personally, but from what I've heard about him he sounds like trouble.  nyanya

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #51 - September 06, 2011, 10:17 PM

    I've never met this Muhammad chap personally, but from what I've heard about him he sounds like trouble.  nyanya


    what you are talking about asbdsp.. stop pissing in CEMB.,

     prophet Muhammad (SODOM)(PBUH)(SAAS) is no trouble if you are on his side & his alter ego.. The  allah side

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #52 - September 06, 2011, 10:22 PM

    How many YouTube videos do you watch per day, yeezevee?

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #53 - September 06, 2011, 10:31 PM

    How many YouTube videos do you watch per day, yeezevee?

    well Prophet of Islam was NOT that bad person as present Muslims make him out from that stupid haditn dear harakaat .,

     I think there was NO PROPHET OF ISLAM  as I see from Islamic literature. , it is all made up story by early  Muslims    with one good character and another sleazy character

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #54 - September 06, 2011, 10:37 PM

     Huh?

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #55 - September 06, 2011, 10:40 PM

    Huh?

     don't get confused dear harakaat


    I couldn't find  right tube on Prophet of Islam dear harakaat and I don't want disrupt the thread by going out of its path..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #56 - September 06, 2011, 10:42 PM

    No, it's just that your answer had nothing to do with my question Tongue You post so many YouTube videos, so I was wondering how many you watch per day.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #57 - September 07, 2011, 12:00 AM

    You're trying to be direct with yezevee?

    Really???  Shocked

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #58 - September 09, 2011, 09:06 PM

    Almost a cliche. I think he was a good deluded individual who wanted to change the world and was later corrupted by power.

    "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not."
    -Andre Gide
  • Re: Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #59 - September 11, 2011, 10:43 AM

    personally i think muhammad was a mastermind, heres why; he disagreed with the way the land was run so he decided to change it, rather than profess morality and rely on human goodness for people to side with him he instead chose to claimed he was a prophet of the god, in a time period where people where uneducated and superstitious coupled with his supposed popularity among the people he earned there support and by playing the role of a saint people followed him, notice than all the people of power in that time opposed him they knew he was using religion to take over. Although he did become drunk with power in his latter years this shows he is clearly human and that he had no divine blessing. As for the miracles remember the ones who hold power can easily manipulate the history books muhammad is described as a uneducated saint who could not write, this is bull history is written by the winners and in order to keep us from ever realizing muhammad masterminded everything they set up his image as such.

    Life is precious do not forfeit it, for you shall not receive it again.
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